Tout Wars new FAAB rules
Tout Wars new FAAB rules
Just read Shandler's article about the new Tout Wars rules for FAABing. They now allow any player to be bid on, not just players on major league rosters. The argument for this is that it makes bidding proactive instead of simply reacting to major league roster moves and hoping you have the highest bid. Interesting concept. just curious if anyone else would like to see that type of FAABing here? After all, we can draft any player, regardless of their roster status.
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100% yes.
We have such a small bench anyhow. Allowing the bidding on guys that may be called up in 3 weeks or 9 weeks...sweet!
Rewards those a) doing their homework, and b) having the bench space to spare.
It eliminates the argument of "uneven playing field" re: which leagues go heavy in rookie drafting and dropping, and which do not.
Getting a super prospect for 3 dollars 3 weeks before he's called up because some guy in your league drafts and drops, while another league does not, and the bidding is over 300 for that same player in 80% of leagues.
[ May 29, 2009, 01:09 AM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]
We have such a small bench anyhow. Allowing the bidding on guys that may be called up in 3 weeks or 9 weeks...sweet!
Rewards those a) doing their homework, and b) having the bench space to spare.
It eliminates the argument of "uneven playing field" re: which leagues go heavy in rookie drafting and dropping, and which do not.
Getting a super prospect for 3 dollars 3 weeks before he's called up because some guy in your league drafts and drops, while another league does not, and the bidding is over 300 for that same player in 80% of leagues.
[ May 29, 2009, 01:09 AM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]
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Tout Wars new FAAB rules
Keep in mind that in Tout Wars, the player HAS to be active for you the week you acquire him, regardless if he is on the 25-man roster or not.
Also keep in mind that while the rule is applicable to the Mixed Tout Wars, it is more designed for the deep AL and NL only.
Not saying these are reasons not to consider it in the NFBC, just pointing out some additional information.
By means of example, I needed a corner infielder in the NL and there were very limited choices that likely would have gotten me at moat 4 AB for the week. So I put a $1 bid on John Bowker (pre-Sandoval injury) figuring if Guzman did not work out, they may next look to Bowker. I had the reserve spot and taking a "0" for the week may have even been better than an 0-4 from someone else.
Also keep in mind that while the rule is applicable to the Mixed Tout Wars, it is more designed for the deep AL and NL only.
Not saying these are reasons not to consider it in the NFBC, just pointing out some additional information.
By means of example, I needed a corner infielder in the NL and there were very limited choices that likely would have gotten me at moat 4 AB for the week. So I put a $1 bid on John Bowker (pre-Sandoval injury) figuring if Guzman did not work out, they may next look to Bowker. I had the reserve spot and taking a "0" for the week may have even been better than an 0-4 from someone else.
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Originally posted by RichV:
Just read Shandler's article about the new Tout Wars rules for FAABing. They now allow any player to be bid on, not just players on major league rosters. The argument for this is that it makes bidding proactive instead of simply reacting to major league roster moves and hoping you have the highest bid. Interesting concept. just curious if anyone else would like to see that type of FAABing here? After all, we can draft any player, regardless of their roster status. I'll gladly listen to other posts on this subject, but my rationale for setting up the rules as they currently are is simple: To give everyone the same shot at a top prospect when he gets called up to the majors.
Let's take Jake Fox, for example. EVERYONE had a chance to draft him on D-Day. Nobody did, which is fine. But as we watched him put up Popeye numbers at Triple-A, some folks may have picked him up for a few bucks last week or the week before if the rules were relaxed. Might have been a risky, but smart move as it looks now.
Instead, with our rules everyone had to wait until he officially made it to the majors to bid on him. Now EVERYONE has the same shot at him. It may cost you more to get him, but EVERYONE in EVERY league has the same data and same shot at him.
Having a FAAB system that allows for owners to stash prospects on their reserves during the season is equally fair, I understand that. But each league would likely be different in the amount of stashing that is done. Not a big deal, but something I considered when I wrote the rules. I like our current system that gives everyone the same shot at that prospect the week he gets called up to the majors, but that's not surprising
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As Todd stated, Tout Wars makes you put that player in your active roster when you get him, which is a different twist and one I'd rather not administer here. In LABR, we use the old Rotisserie rules where you can only play your reserves if one of your active players goes on the DL and then when he comes off the DL your reserve must go back to reserve or you have to cut the active player. There is less usage of your reserves under those old rules.
We allow a more flexible reserve in the NFBC, but only stashing of prospects if you originally drafted them or they were drafted and later cut in your league. All three leagues are a bit different and for various reasons.
Just read Shandler's article about the new Tout Wars rules for FAABing. They now allow any player to be bid on, not just players on major league rosters. The argument for this is that it makes bidding proactive instead of simply reacting to major league roster moves and hoping you have the highest bid. Interesting concept. just curious if anyone else would like to see that type of FAABing here? After all, we can draft any player, regardless of their roster status. I'll gladly listen to other posts on this subject, but my rationale for setting up the rules as they currently are is simple: To give everyone the same shot at a top prospect when he gets called up to the majors.
Let's take Jake Fox, for example. EVERYONE had a chance to draft him on D-Day. Nobody did, which is fine. But as we watched him put up Popeye numbers at Triple-A, some folks may have picked him up for a few bucks last week or the week before if the rules were relaxed. Might have been a risky, but smart move as it looks now.
Instead, with our rules everyone had to wait until he officially made it to the majors to bid on him. Now EVERYONE has the same shot at him. It may cost you more to get him, but EVERYONE in EVERY league has the same data and same shot at him.
Having a FAAB system that allows for owners to stash prospects on their reserves during the season is equally fair, I understand that. But each league would likely be different in the amount of stashing that is done. Not a big deal, but something I considered when I wrote the rules. I like our current system that gives everyone the same shot at that prospect the week he gets called up to the majors, but that's not surprising
.As Todd stated, Tout Wars makes you put that player in your active roster when you get him, which is a different twist and one I'd rather not administer here. In LABR, we use the old Rotisserie rules where you can only play your reserves if one of your active players goes on the DL and then when he comes off the DL your reserve must go back to reserve or you have to cut the active player. There is less usage of your reserves under those old rules.
We allow a more flexible reserve in the NFBC, but only stashing of prospects if you originally drafted them or they were drafted and later cut in your league. All three leagues are a bit different and for various reasons.
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For the record, the ONLY issue I have with the current NFBC rules with FAAB is if a prospect is dropped before he is called up he remains in that league's available pool.
Assuming STATS can handle it, I would suggest considering making only players on the 25-man rosters (or possibly DL) eligible for FAAB acquisition, regardless of their transaction history in a particular league.
Assuming STATS can handle it, I would suggest considering making only players on the 25-man rosters (or possibly DL) eligible for FAAB acquisition, regardless of their transaction history in a particular league.
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Originally posted by ToddZ:
For the record, the ONLY issue I have with the current NFBC rules with FAAB is if a prospect is dropped before he is called up he remains in that league's available pool.
Assuming STATS can handle it, I would suggest considering making only players on the 25-man rosters (or possibly DL) eligible for FAAB acquisition, regardless of their transaction history in a particular league. The reason I set it up that way Todd is because if some owner takes a flyer on a prospect in Round 30 before you were going to grab him and then cut him in Week 1 after he got sent to the minors it punishes the owners who were hoping to reserve him until he broke out. In this case, if he was good enough to be drafted in your league then he's good enough to remain in your free agent pool. Well, that's the way we have it set up, but I certainly hear what you're saying.
For the record, the ONLY issue I have with the current NFBC rules with FAAB is if a prospect is dropped before he is called up he remains in that league's available pool.
Assuming STATS can handle it, I would suggest considering making only players on the 25-man rosters (or possibly DL) eligible for FAAB acquisition, regardless of their transaction history in a particular league. The reason I set it up that way Todd is because if some owner takes a flyer on a prospect in Round 30 before you were going to grab him and then cut him in Week 1 after he got sent to the minors it punishes the owners who were hoping to reserve him until he broke out. In this case, if he was good enough to be drafted in your league then he's good enough to remain in your free agent pool. Well, that's the way we have it set up, but I certainly hear what you're saying.
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by ToddZ:
For the record, the ONLY issue I have with the current NFBC rules with FAAB is if a prospect is dropped before he is called up he remains in that league's available pool.
Assuming STATS can handle it, I would suggest considering making only players on the 25-man rosters (or possibly DL) eligible for FAAB acquisition, regardless of their transaction history in a particular league. The reason I set it up that way Todd is because if some owner takes a flyer on a prospect in Round 30 before you were going to grab him and then cut him in Week 1 after he got sent to the minors it punishes the owners who were hoping to reserve him until he broke out. In this case, if he was good enough to be drafted in your league then he's good enough to remain in your free agent pool. Well, that's the way we have it set up, but I certainly hear what you're saying. [/QUOTE]Greg--
1. If you really wanted him, take him in round 29 or earlier
2. In my not so humble opinion, the instances of your scenario occurring are minute compared to the instances of 13, plus the original owner having an early, much cheaper shot at a speculative minor leaguer that was dropped.
The original owner should be rewarded for having the foresight to pick and the ability to hold the guy. Everyone else in the league had a shot, no one else should be rewarded because the original owner had to cut bait. Again, just my not so humble opinion. My retirement from the competition is not riding on the eventual outcome
quote:Originally posted by ToddZ:
For the record, the ONLY issue I have with the current NFBC rules with FAAB is if a prospect is dropped before he is called up he remains in that league's available pool.
Assuming STATS can handle it, I would suggest considering making only players on the 25-man rosters (or possibly DL) eligible for FAAB acquisition, regardless of their transaction history in a particular league. The reason I set it up that way Todd is because if some owner takes a flyer on a prospect in Round 30 before you were going to grab him and then cut him in Week 1 after he got sent to the minors it punishes the owners who were hoping to reserve him until he broke out. In this case, if he was good enough to be drafted in your league then he's good enough to remain in your free agent pool. Well, that's the way we have it set up, but I certainly hear what you're saying. [/QUOTE]Greg--
1. If you really wanted him, take him in round 29 or earlier
2. In my not so humble opinion, the instances of your scenario occurring are minute compared to the instances of 13, plus the original owner having an early, much cheaper shot at a speculative minor leaguer that was dropped.
The original owner should be rewarded for having the foresight to pick and the ability to hold the guy. Everyone else in the league had a shot, no one else should be rewarded because the original owner had to cut bait. Again, just my not so humble opinion. My retirement from the competition is not riding on the eventual outcome
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I'll gladly listen to other posts on this subject, but my rationale for setting up the rules as they currently are is simple: To give everyone the same shot at a top prospect when he gets called up to the majors.
if he's in the FAAB pool, EVERYONE has a fair shot at him EVERY WEEK (not just when he gets called up). can't be any fairer than that.
what your rules do is create a bidding frenzy for prospects that are doing well in the minors. you'd have happier laporta owners if they got him for $20 instead of $200!
sign me up for the faab pool being opened to everyone...JUST LIKE YOUR FOOTBALL CONTEST IS.
I'll gladly listen to other posts on this subject, but my rationale for setting up the rules as they currently are is simple: To give everyone the same shot at a top prospect when he gets called up to the majors.
if he's in the FAAB pool, EVERYONE has a fair shot at him EVERY WEEK (not just when he gets called up). can't be any fairer than that.
what your rules do is create a bidding frenzy for prospects that are doing well in the minors. you'd have happier laporta owners if they got him for $20 instead of $200!
sign me up for the faab pool being opened to everyone...JUST LIKE YOUR FOOTBALL CONTEST IS.
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I'll gladly listen to other posts on this subject, but my rationale for setting up the rules as they currently are is simple: To give everyone the same shot at a top prospect when he gets called up to the majors.
if he's in the FAAB pool, EVERYONE has a fair shot at him EVERY WEEK (not just when he gets called up). can't be any fairer than that.
what your rules do is create a bidding frenzy for prospects that are doing well in the minors. you'd have happier laporta owners if they got him for $20 instead of $200!
sign me up for the faab pool being opened to everyone...JUST LIKE YOUR FOOTBALL CONTEST IS. [/QUOTE]Correct, everyone had to evaluate LaPorta's value the week he got called up. It was not an easy task. Same thing happened when Ryan Braun got called up a few years ago. Not an easy task. Some work out and some don't.
There are pros and cons to both setups. Same with the example of our rule Todd has cited. Not everyone will agree 100% with every rule and I certainly understand that, but at least they are fair/unfair for everyone.
I'll add one more point: Since this is a no-trade league (remember that LABR and TOUT are trading leagues), FAAB is really the only way to improve your team after Draft Day. So we try to protect free agents a little more than other leagues and yes create an equal forum for those hot minor-league prospects. It's really the only way for teams to improve their rosters after Draft Day.
[ May 29, 2009, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I'll gladly listen to other posts on this subject, but my rationale for setting up the rules as they currently are is simple: To give everyone the same shot at a top prospect when he gets called up to the majors.
if he's in the FAAB pool, EVERYONE has a fair shot at him EVERY WEEK (not just when he gets called up). can't be any fairer than that.
what your rules do is create a bidding frenzy for prospects that are doing well in the minors. you'd have happier laporta owners if they got him for $20 instead of $200!
sign me up for the faab pool being opened to everyone...JUST LIKE YOUR FOOTBALL CONTEST IS.
[/QUOTE]Correct, everyone had to evaluate LaPorta's value the week he got called up. It was not an easy task. Same thing happened when Ryan Braun got called up a few years ago. Not an easy task. Some work out and some don't. There are pros and cons to both setups. Same with the example of our rule Todd has cited. Not everyone will agree 100% with every rule and I certainly understand that, but at least they are fair/unfair for everyone.
I'll add one more point: Since this is a no-trade league (remember that LABR and TOUT are trading leagues), FAAB is really the only way to improve your team after Draft Day. So we try to protect free agents a little more than other leagues and yes create an equal forum for those hot minor-league prospects. It's really the only way for teams to improve their rosters after Draft Day.
[ May 29, 2009, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]
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If Laporta was in the pool all year, someone woulda have bought him for $1 or $2 earlier in the season. With the way you have it setup now, when he gets picked up, it's for hundreds of dollars more. This MUST be the desired effect you are looking for, isn't it? I'm certain the laporta owners would have been a lot happier paying $1 or $2.
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:
If Laporta was in the pool all year, someone woulda have bought him for $1 or $2 earlier in the season. With the way you have it setup now, when he gets picked up, it's for hundreds of dollars more. This MUST be the desired effect you are looking for, isn't it? I'm certain the laporta owners would have been a lot happier paying $1 or $2. My desired effect isn't to get the highest possible FAAB bids. My desired effect since this is a no-trade league is to allow everyone in the league equal access to the most impactful available players throughout the course of the season.
Having one owner who maybe has suffered so many injuries that he has nothing to lose by picking up LaPorta two weeks earlier than anyone else for $1 isn't the desired effect I'm looking for. Having 15 owners seeing LaPorta getting promoted on Wednesday and having four days to figure out how much he is worth to them in a no-trade league where impact players coming out of nowhere during the middle of the season is uncommon is the desired effect. Absolutely. To me, there's much more skill involved in that.
I think if we went to the other system, folks would request to go back to this one shortly. I might be wrong, but the lack of no trading would make a completely open FAAB system very frustrating. Folks would quickly ask to make the NFBC a trading league, which won't happen on my watch!
If Laporta was in the pool all year, someone woulda have bought him for $1 or $2 earlier in the season. With the way you have it setup now, when he gets picked up, it's for hundreds of dollars more. This MUST be the desired effect you are looking for, isn't it? I'm certain the laporta owners would have been a lot happier paying $1 or $2. My desired effect isn't to get the highest possible FAAB bids. My desired effect since this is a no-trade league is to allow everyone in the league equal access to the most impactful available players throughout the course of the season.
Having one owner who maybe has suffered so many injuries that he has nothing to lose by picking up LaPorta two weeks earlier than anyone else for $1 isn't the desired effect I'm looking for. Having 15 owners seeing LaPorta getting promoted on Wednesday and having four days to figure out how much he is worth to them in a no-trade league where impact players coming out of nowhere during the middle of the season is uncommon is the desired effect. Absolutely. To me, there's much more skill involved in that.
I think if we went to the other system, folks would request to go back to this one shortly. I might be wrong, but the lack of no trading would make a completely open FAAB system very frustrating. Folks would quickly ask to make the NFBC a trading league, which won't happen on my watch!
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It seems the current system makes being prudent with your FA$$$'s more important.
Getting an impact player early in the season gives you all the more weeks of production, so the scale or risk/reward of going broke is fair.
Those who save their money (and are still playing) can grab all the impact players that come up later in the season, when other teams are too broke to bid competetively.
Actually, either way would be fun.
Getting an impact player early in the season gives you all the more weeks of production, so the scale or risk/reward of going broke is fair.
Those who save their money (and are still playing) can grab all the impact players that come up later in the season, when other teams are too broke to bid competetively.
Actually, either way would be fun.
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
might be wrong, but the lack of no trading would make a completely open FAAB system very frustrating. spending $200 on laporta is frustrating.
allowing ALL owners a shot at laporta EVERY WEEK seems to be fairer. you're right, it doesn't create a bidding frenzy where owners are (in most cases) wasting their money. ask J.Guzman owners how they feel.
might be wrong, but the lack of no trading would make a completely open FAAB system very frustrating. spending $200 on laporta is frustrating.
allowing ALL owners a shot at laporta EVERY WEEK seems to be fairer. you're right, it doesn't create a bidding frenzy where owners are (in most cases) wasting their money. ask J.Guzman owners how they feel.
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I love the league either way. However I would love to see an open free agent waiver wire. One must remember to pick up a speculative minor leaguer, that means a player must be dropped.
Everyone can throw a high bid on a recent call up they saw on sportscenter. It is the fantasy owner that sees opportunity on a ML team and a minor league player with skills and speculates that eventually the job will be his that deserves the player.
Again either way I enjoy the league, but if I wanted to pick up Chris Shelton this week, I should be able to. Of course I would probably be dropping a useful player that will be picked up the next week to do so. That is how it evens out.
Everyone can throw a high bid on a recent call up they saw on sportscenter. It is the fantasy owner that sees opportunity on a ML team and a minor league player with skills and speculates that eventually the job will be his that deserves the player.
Again either way I enjoy the league, but if I wanted to pick up Chris Shelton this week, I should be able to. Of course I would probably be dropping a useful player that will be picked up the next week to do so. That is how it evens out.
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As is with every Tout/Labr comparison, the rules are so vastly different to even make a comparison is ludicrous.
Why people continue to do this is beyond anyone that plays in both, no matter how many times this fact keeps being pointed out by many that play in both.
Like Greg Said, FAAB is a HUGE part of this game. Anything that lessens that is bad for this game.
Pleasing everyone does not make for a great game. Having tough decisions to make week-in, week-out does make for a great game.
That's what we have now. Don't mess with it.
If there was an open system, reserve spots would have to be reduced by at least two to keep the game from being too easy.
Why people continue to do this is beyond anyone that plays in both, no matter how many times this fact keeps being pointed out by many that play in both.
Like Greg Said, FAAB is a HUGE part of this game. Anything that lessens that is bad for this game.
Pleasing everyone does not make for a great game. Having tough decisions to make week-in, week-out does make for a great game.
That's what we have now. Don't mess with it.
If there was an open system, reserve spots would have to be reduced by at least two to keep the game from being too easy.
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:
If Laporta was in the pool all year, someone woulda have bought him for $1 or $2 earlier in the season. With the way you have it setup now, when he gets picked up, it's for hundreds of dollars more. This MUST be the desired effect you are looking for, isn't it? I'm certain the laporta owners would have been a lot happier paying $1 or $2. My desired effect isn't to get the highest possible FAAB bids. My desired effect since this is a no-trade league is to allow everyone in the league equal access to the most impactful available players throughout the course of the season.
Having one owner who maybe has suffered so many injuries that he has nothing to lose by picking up LaPorta two weeks earlier than anyone else for $1 isn't the desired effect I'm looking for. Having 15 owners seeing LaPorta getting promoted on Wednesday and having four days to figure out how much he is worth to them in a no-trade league where impact players coming out of nowhere during the middle of the season is uncommon is the desired effect. Absolutely. To me, there's much more skill involved in that.
I think if we went to the other system, folks would request to go back to this one shortly. I might be wrong, but the lack of no trading would make a completely open FAAB system very frustrating. Folks would quickly ask to make the NFBC a trading league, which won't happen on my watch! [/QUOTE]I have to admit....deciding each week what to bid on each "impact" player that comes up is one of the funnest parts of this league, so I may be rethinking my initial reply.
Unfortunately having wasted serious FAAB on the promotions of Wood, LaPorta, Hughes (and then dropping him right before his breakout game), Gamel, etc. hasn't helped do anything but deplete my FAAB budget....but I guess that's part of the game.
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:
If Laporta was in the pool all year, someone woulda have bought him for $1 or $2 earlier in the season. With the way you have it setup now, when he gets picked up, it's for hundreds of dollars more. This MUST be the desired effect you are looking for, isn't it? I'm certain the laporta owners would have been a lot happier paying $1 or $2. My desired effect isn't to get the highest possible FAAB bids. My desired effect since this is a no-trade league is to allow everyone in the league equal access to the most impactful available players throughout the course of the season.
Having one owner who maybe has suffered so many injuries that he has nothing to lose by picking up LaPorta two weeks earlier than anyone else for $1 isn't the desired effect I'm looking for. Having 15 owners seeing LaPorta getting promoted on Wednesday and having four days to figure out how much he is worth to them in a no-trade league where impact players coming out of nowhere during the middle of the season is uncommon is the desired effect. Absolutely. To me, there's much more skill involved in that.
I think if we went to the other system, folks would request to go back to this one shortly. I might be wrong, but the lack of no trading would make a completely open FAAB system very frustrating. Folks would quickly ask to make the NFBC a trading league, which won't happen on my watch!
[/QUOTE]I have to admit....deciding each week what to bid on each "impact" player that comes up is one of the funnest parts of this league, so I may be rethinking my initial reply.Unfortunately having wasted serious FAAB on the promotions of Wood, LaPorta, Hughes (and then dropping him right before his breakout game), Gamel, etc. hasn't helped do anything but deplete my FAAB budget....but I guess that's part of the game.
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An open market devalues free agent dollars. I would much rather have the system we have now.
When an impact rookie is called up, you have to decide what his value is to your team. There is a huge risk/reward. If you are wrong, it hurt your chances of success. If you are right, it could be the difference of winning or losing.
This constant battle to get the next stud for a $1 rewards healthy teams. A team with injuries is already penalized by losing bench spots to hold DL players.
If every young player can be bought early, how much will be left on the table when the season is over? As it is now, there are too many teams that don't spend their free agent dollars.
When an impact rookie is called up, you have to decide what his value is to your team. There is a huge risk/reward. If you are wrong, it hurt your chances of success. If you are right, it could be the difference of winning or losing.
This constant battle to get the next stud for a $1 rewards healthy teams. A team with injuries is already penalized by losing bench spots to hold DL players.
If every young player can be bought early, how much will be left on the table when the season is over? As it is now, there are too many teams that don't spend their free agent dollars.
Tout Wars new FAAB rules
Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
An open market devalues free agent dollars. I would much rather have the system we have now.
When an impact rookie is called up, you have to decide what his value is to your team. There is a huge risk/reward. If you are wrong, it hurt your chances of success. If you are right, it could be the difference of winning or losing.
This constant battle to get the next stud for a $1 rewards healthy teams. A team with injuries is already penalized by losing bench spots to hold DL players.
If every young player can be bought early, how much will be left on the table when the season is over? As it is now, there are too many teams that don't spend their free agent dollars. I saved this for you
An open market devalues free agent dollars. I would much rather have the system we have now.
When an impact rookie is called up, you have to decide what his value is to your team. There is a huge risk/reward. If you are wrong, it hurt your chances of success. If you are right, it could be the difference of winning or losing.
This constant battle to get the next stud for a $1 rewards healthy teams. A team with injuries is already penalized by losing bench spots to hold DL players.
If every young player can be bought early, how much will be left on the table when the season is over? As it is now, there are too many teams that don't spend their free agent dollars. I saved this for you
Tout Wars new FAAB rules
Originally posted by ESPN8 THE OCHO:
Everyone can throw a high bid on a recent call up they saw on sportscenter. It is the fantasy owner that sees opportunity on a ML team and a minor league player with skills and speculates that eventually the job will be his that deserves the player.
This was my thought exactly. However, CC, and others bring up valid points to keep the status quo. As stated by others, either way, this certainly isn't any kind of deal breaker. Just thought it might make for some good discussion.
Everyone can throw a high bid on a recent call up they saw on sportscenter. It is the fantasy owner that sees opportunity on a ML team and a minor league player with skills and speculates that eventually the job will be his that deserves the player.
This was my thought exactly. However, CC, and others bring up valid points to keep the status quo. As stated by others, either way, this certainly isn't any kind of deal breaker. Just thought it might make for some good discussion.
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Tout Wars new FAAB rules
Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:
if he's in the FAAB pool, EVERYONE has a fair shot at him EVERY WEEK (not just when he gets called up). can't be any fairer than that.
what your rules do is create a bidding frenzy for prospects that are doing well in the minors. you'd have happier laporta owners if they got him for $20 instead of $200!
sign me up for the faab pool being opened to everyone... [/QB][/quote]
Amen. Totally agree. Just depends if you want to maximize skill or luck. In my humble there's already waaaaaaaayyyy too emphasis on capricious whims of Blind FAAB. Limiting the player pool eliminates a significant amount of skill to the competition. You have the skill to pinpoint the next rising star in the minors? Have the knowledge of the situation and the foresight to anticipate his call-up? You should be rewarded, not the schmuck who never heard of the guy until he saw his name listed in the weekly MLB transactions then gets lucky in the FAAB lotto. With the open player pool everyone has the same chance to pick him up early, late, whichever they choose.
As it is, you just leave it to Blind FAAB, where anyone can just look at the weekly transactions, some of your opponents find out about guys they never heard, and it's off to the FAAB lottery.
Open up the player pool.
if he's in the FAAB pool, EVERYONE has a fair shot at him EVERY WEEK (not just when he gets called up). can't be any fairer than that.
what your rules do is create a bidding frenzy for prospects that are doing well in the minors. you'd have happier laporta owners if they got him for $20 instead of $200!
sign me up for the faab pool being opened to everyone...
[/QB][/quote]Amen. Totally agree. Just depends if you want to maximize skill or luck. In my humble there's already waaaaaaaayyyy too emphasis on capricious whims of Blind FAAB. Limiting the player pool eliminates a significant amount of skill to the competition. You have the skill to pinpoint the next rising star in the minors? Have the knowledge of the situation and the foresight to anticipate his call-up? You should be rewarded, not the schmuck who never heard of the guy until he saw his name listed in the weekly MLB transactions then gets lucky in the FAAB lotto. With the open player pool everyone has the same chance to pick him up early, late, whichever they choose.
As it is, you just leave it to Blind FAAB, where anyone can just look at the weekly transactions, some of your opponents find out about guys they never heard, and it's off to the FAAB lottery.
Open up the player pool.
Tout Wars new FAAB rules
Originally posted by JohnZ:
As is with every Tout/Labr comparison, the rules are so vastly different to even make a comparison is ludicrous.
If there was an open system, reserve spots would have to be reduced by at least two to keep the game from being too easy. I'm not comparing leagues, just looking at their FAABing rules. Nothing "ludicrous" about that.
Opening up the FA pool is ludicrous and would make this game too easy? wow..didn't realize speculating on a call-up before he's actually called up would make this contest a breeze to win.
As is with every Tout/Labr comparison, the rules are so vastly different to even make a comparison is ludicrous.
If there was an open system, reserve spots would have to be reduced by at least two to keep the game from being too easy. I'm not comparing leagues, just looking at their FAABing rules. Nothing "ludicrous" about that.
Opening up the FA pool is ludicrous and would make this game too easy? wow..didn't realize speculating on a call-up before he's actually called up would make this contest a breeze to win.
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Gordon Gekko II
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Originally posted by Liquidhippo:
You should be rewarded, not the schmuck who never heard of the guy until he saw his name listed in the weekly MLB transactions then gets lucky in the FAAB lotto. With the open player pool everyone has the same chance to pick him up early, late, whichever they choose.
100% correct. limiting the player pool (on the surface) helps WEAK owners. it gives them a chance of getting a hot prospect. i can see why greg wants it. let the weak think they have a chance of improving their team with the "next big thing", even though the system that greg has FORCES them to spend big $ on prospects that usually underperform.
the system now is actually a double kick to the jimmy for weak players, they just don't know it.
[ May 30, 2009, 10:05 AM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko II ]
You should be rewarded, not the schmuck who never heard of the guy until he saw his name listed in the weekly MLB transactions then gets lucky in the FAAB lotto. With the open player pool everyone has the same chance to pick him up early, late, whichever they choose.
100% correct. limiting the player pool (on the surface) helps WEAK owners. it gives them a chance of getting a hot prospect. i can see why greg wants it. let the weak think they have a chance of improving their team with the "next big thing", even though the system that greg has FORCES them to spend big $ on prospects that usually underperform.
the system now is actually a double kick to the jimmy for weak players, they just don't know it.
[ May 30, 2009, 10:05 AM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko II ]
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:
quote:Originally posted by Liquidhippo:
You should be rewarded, not the schmuck who never heard of the guy until he saw his name listed in the weekly MLB transactions then gets lucky in the FAAB lotto. With the open player pool everyone has the same chance to pick him up early, late, whichever they choose.
100% correct. limiting the player pool (on the surface) helps WEAK owners. it gives them a chance of getting a hot prospect. i can see why greg wants it. let the weak think they have a chance of improving their team with the "next big thing", even though the system that greg has FORCES them to spend big $ on prospects that usually underperform.
the system now is actually a double kick to the jimmy for weak players, they just don't know it. [/QUOTE]Are you speaking from experience Max?
quote:Originally posted by Liquidhippo:
You should be rewarded, not the schmuck who never heard of the guy until he saw his name listed in the weekly MLB transactions then gets lucky in the FAAB lotto. With the open player pool everyone has the same chance to pick him up early, late, whichever they choose.
100% correct. limiting the player pool (on the surface) helps WEAK owners. it gives them a chance of getting a hot prospect. i can see why greg wants it. let the weak think they have a chance of improving their team with the "next big thing", even though the system that greg has FORCES them to spend big $ on prospects that usually underperform.
the system now is actually a double kick to the jimmy for weak players, they just don't know it.
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Gordon Gekko II
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Tout Wars new FAAB rules
Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
If every young player can be bought early, how much will be left on the table when the season is over? As it is now, there are too many teams that don't spend their free agent dollars. that means players like sheffield will go for more money, not the guzman's of the world.
greg's system is artifically inflating the prices of any standout minorleague callup. that is easy to see.
If every young player can be bought early, how much will be left on the table when the season is over? As it is now, there are too many teams that don't spend their free agent dollars. that means players like sheffield will go for more money, not the guzman's of the world.
greg's system is artifically inflating the prices of any standout minorleague callup. that is easy to see.