Tommy Hanson

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:58 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

and PS, i do own him in one league

I was writing when you posted this, so I know you are just yanking some chains. I LOVE that the Braves have him. He is top of the rotation material, he is not yet 23 and he is all Atlanta's. Now if we can just get some hitting.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:05 pm

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Bum? Lucky? A Braves pitcher "lucky"? Dude, he has just rung up 20.0 consecutive scorless innings including in places like the Yard, and Great American, and versus the NY Yankees and the Boston RedSox.

that doesn't impress me as much as if he had a K9 of 9.0 and a BB9 of 3.0 or less

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:58 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Bum? Lucky? A Braves pitcher "lucky"? Dude, he has just rung up 20.0 consecutive scorless innings including in places like the Yard, and Great American, and versus the NY Yankees and the Boston RedSox.

that doesn't impress me as much as if he had a K9 of 9.0 and a BB9 of 3.0 or less [/QUOTE]I play in leagues that use ERA and WHIP as cats.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:02 pm

Originally posted by DiamondKing:

I play in leagues that use ERA and WHIP as cats. u win dude. u are all knowing. you can keep the 5.5 K9 and 5.2 BB9. if he doesn't improve them, he'll be in the minors this year. that is a 100% guarentee. have a good night.

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:35 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by DiamondKing:

I play in leagues that use ERA and WHIP as cats. u win dude. u are all knowing. you can keep the 5.5 K9 and 5.2 BB9. if he doesn't improve them, he'll be in the minors this year. that is a 100% guarentee. have a good night. [/QUOTE]I accept your submission.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:05 am

Originally posted by DiamondKing:

I accept your submission. it was sarcasm

history (not me) says a pitcher with Hanson's K9 and BB9 is a bum. i'll bet on history every time over someone who has their blinders on. enjoy!

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:04 am

For folks debating me about Tommy Hanson being the NEXT big thing, consider the following. Below is a list of starting pitchers from 2001 – 2008 that have similar K9 (5.5) and BB9 (5.2) as Hanson. Yes, yes, Hanson has ~30 IP in the majors. I agree, that is a small sample size. I *think* Hanson will right the ship some before long, but if he keeps pitching like he has, he will have a major stats correction and/or he will be back in the minors this year. At that point, all the people mesmerized by his scoreless inning streak (based on horrible foundation skills btw) will be equally mesmerized (in a bad way). Take a look at the list of player comps below. Is that really the list of names you want to see?

Glavine, Tom 2008

Morton, Charlie 2008

Zito, Barry 2008

Lowry, Noah 2007

Pelfrey, Mike A 2007

Chacon, Shawn 2006

Clement, Matt 2006

Corcoran, Tim 2006

Floyd, Gavin C 2006

Armas Jr., Tony 2005

Hudson, Luke 2005

Ishii, Kazuhisa 2005

DuBose, Eric 2004

Estes, Shawn 2004

Ishii, Kazuhisa 2004

Miller, Justin 2004

Benes,Andy 2002

Wright,Jamey 2002

Reichert, D. 2001

Rigdon, P. 2001

The average ERA and WHIP of Hanson’s player comps are:

ERA 5.36

WHIP 1.60

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:31 am

I will see your well researched list of mediocre pitchers or pitchers past their primes and raise you these three with first year stats of:

31.0 IP, 44 H, 5.52 ERA, 11 BB, 20 K, 1.774 WHIP

64.0 IP, 74 H, 5.48 ERA, 33 BB, 37 K, 1.672 WHIP

50.1 IP, 55 H, 5.54 ERA, 33 BB, 20 K, 1.748 WHIP

Their names were Maddux, Smoltz, and Glavine, all of whom will be in the HOF, so with Hanson's:

29.0 IP, 24 H, 2.48 ERA, 17 BB, 18 K, 1.413 WHIP

I guess you can understand why we feel he is the next big thing. As I said, the number do not lie, but they do not tell the whole truth. He will get hit this year, not doubt, and you will say "I told you so", but after actually watching him three times so far against Milwaukee, NYY and Boston, I am telling you he is special. Odds of him going down to the minors now that he is up is slim (accepting injury of course).

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Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:41 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

I will see your well researched list of mediocre pitchers or pitchers past their primes and raise you these three with first year stats of:

31.0 IP, 44 H, 5.52 ERA, 11 BB, 20 K, 1.774 WHIP

64.0 IP, 74 H, 5.48 ERA, 33 BB, 37 K, 1.672 WHIP

50.1 IP, 55 H, 5.54 ERA, 33 BB, 20 K, 1.748 WHIP

Their names were Maddux, Smoltz, and Glavine, all of whom will be in the HOF, so with Hanson's:

29.0 IP, 24 H, 2.48 ERA, 17 BB, 18 K, 1.413 WHIP

I guess you can understand why we feel he is the next big thing. As I said, the number do not lie, but they do not tell the whole truth. He will get hit this year, not doubt, and you will say "I told you so", but after actually watching him three times so far against Milwaukee, NYY and Boston, I am telling you he is special. Odds of him going down to the minors now that he is up is slim (accepting injury of course). we are playing for this year wayne, not for next season or the season after. IF hanson shows improvement the second half of this season, i may be a buyer of him next year. chances are, he will be overhyped (again). as for this year, my numbers and your numbers show he doesn't have a rosy year in store given his foundation skills.

again, i *think* the foundation skills will get better. they certainly can't get any worse

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:10 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

I will see your well researched list of mediocre pitchers or pitchers past their primes and raise you these three with first year stats of:

31.0 IP, 44 H, 5.52 ERA, 11 BB, 20 K, 1.774 WHIP

64.0 IP, 74 H, 5.48 ERA, 33 BB, 37 K, 1.672 WHIP

50.1 IP, 55 H, 5.54 ERA, 33 BB, 20 K, 1.748 WHIP

Their names were Maddux, Smoltz, and Glavine, all of whom will be in the HOF, so with Hanson's:

29.0 IP, 24 H, 2.48 ERA, 17 BB, 18 K, 1.413 WHIP

I guess you can understand why we feel he is the next big thing. As I said, the number do not lie, but they do not tell the whole truth. He will get hit this year, not doubt, and you will say "I told you so", but after actually watching him three times so far against Milwaukee, NYY and Boston, I am telling you he is special. Odds of him going down to the minors now that he is up is slim (accepting injury of course). we are playing for this year wayne, not for next season or the season after. IF hanson shows improvement the second half of this season, i may be a buyer of him next year. chances are, he will be overhyped (again). as for this year, my numbers and your numbers show he doesn't have a rosy year in store given his foundation skills.

again, i *think* the foundation skills will get better. they certainly can't get any worse [/QUOTE]Fair enough, Mark. I certainly cannot match your successes in this format, but I truly believe the time is now for him and only injury can keep him from posting Santana-esque numbers, maybe as soon as this year.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:39 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

I truly believe the time is now for him and only injury can keep him from posting Santana-esque numbers, maybe as soon as this year. BiG statement there. maybe this offseason, i'll pump up the boards with Hanson = Santana and get his adp to the 3rd or 4th round next year.

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:54 am

I believe in Hanson too but, like Mark, I think it will be a bumpy road for him THIS season. For Hanson owners, I pasted this from espn:

Why Hanson won, from John Fisher of ESPN Stats & Information:

A. 78 percent of hitter's (2-0, 2-1 and 3-ball) counts ended in outs (MLB avg: 54 percent).

B. Retired the leadoff hitter of every inning.

C. 68 percent first-pitch strike percentage (MLB avg: 58 percent).

D. Season-high 23.9 swing-and-miss percentage; 11 swinging strikes also a season-best.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:29 am

btw, nice effort by Hanson today against the Nationals. so far, 5 innings, 1 BB, 4K. that's more representative of a good pitcher. his first couple starts were garbage, and people lucked into some good stats.

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751542 · Post by **751542** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:55 am

1 important stat that may be getting overlooked...thru 6 starts?? major league hitters are batting.....205.....damn bullpen!!!

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:20 am

Watched a lot of the game, and while the Nats are not the Yanks or BoSox, a couple of things struck me as unusual in a pitcher so young.

By my count, he faced only four batters over the minimum through seven.

He ran his scoreless streak, beginning in the second game of his career through the sixth inning of this game, his sixth, to 26 IP until Dunn's HR to lead off the seventh. He retired the rest of the batters in the inning in order.

Of the 25 batters he faced, he went to a pitch count higher than six only three times.

He went to a three ball count on only three batters.

He threw less than five balls in an entire inning three times.

He started out each batter with a strike 17 times.

He allowed only three hits, one of which was an infield single.

In his seven innings of this game, he never had more than one baserunner in an inning.

This kid is special.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:24 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Watched a lot of the game, and while the Nats are not the Yanks or BoSox, a couple of things struck me as unusual in a pitcher so young.

By my count, he faced only four batters over the minimum through seven.

He ran his scoreless streak, beginning in the second game of his career through the sixth inning of this game, his sixth, to 26 IP until Dunn's HR to lead off the seventh. He retired the rest of the batters in the inning in order.

Of the 25 batters he faced, he went to a pitch count higher than six only three times.

He went to a three ball count on only three batters.

He threw less than five balls in an entire inning three times.

He started out each batter with a strike 17 times.

He allowed only three hits, one of which was an infield single.

In his seven innings of this game, he never had more than one baserunner in an inning.

This kid is special. Which is the better Tommy?

The Movie

The Album

The Pitcher

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Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:27 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

This kid is special. sorry, still don't see it.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:53 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Watched a lot of the game, and while the Nats are not the Yanks or BoSox, a couple of things struck me as unusual in a pitcher so young.

By my count, he faced only four batters over the minimum through seven.

He ran his scoreless streak, beginning in the second game of his career through the sixth inning of this game, his sixth, to 26 IP until Dunn's HR to lead off the seventh. He retired the rest of the batters in the inning in order.

Of the 25 batters he faced, he went to a pitch count higher than six only three times.

He went to a three ball count on only three batters.

He threw less than five balls in an entire inning three times.

He started out each batter with a strike 17 times.

He allowed only three hits, one of which was an infield single.

In his seven innings of this game, he never had more than one baserunner in an inning.

This kid is special. Which is the better Tommy?

The Movie

The Album

The Pitcher [/QUOTE]Album

Movie

Pitcher, but he is moving up fast!

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:03 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

This kid is special. sorry, still don't see it. [/QUOTE]Well, he's no Blanton....

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:21 pm

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

This kid is special. sorry, still don't see it. [/QUOTE]Well, he's no Blanton....

[/QUOTE]I wish he was on my team right now. Hanson. (not blanton).

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:22 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

This kid is special. sorry, still don't see it. [/QUOTE]Perhaps if he gave up 8 runs in 5 innings.But,struck out 8 and walked 1.He would get the Nod.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:57 am

Originally posted by DiamondKing:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

This kid is special. sorry, still don't see it. [/QUOTE]Perhaps if he gave up 8 runs in 5 innings.But,struck out 8 and walked 1.He would get the Nod. [/QUOTE]there's hope for you yet

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:37 pm

Seven IP tonight and 11 K's with three walks.

Loser.

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:40 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Seven IP tonight and 11 K's with three walks.

Loser. Undefeated Loser at that. Kudos to those that drafted and held on to him.

Happ and Hanson a combined 12-0. wins never tell the whole story but still always fun to look at a pitcher's won/loss record.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:45 am

now, his #'s say he is doing better. still need to see him bring down the BB rate.