Top 20 teams Where_they_draft_from?

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:27 am

btw- your original post about getting some "free time"- news flash- everyone on earth gets 24 hours to a day. your "time" is like everyone elses. we all get the same 24 hours. use them how you wish. i guess i will run with the illogical statement that your league is the easiest because the points you have in your league would equate to about 100 in most others. so yours is easiest. just as logical as the your original statement.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:29 am

At the same time, you livened up the Boards.

Kudo's

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:31 am

dear doughboys- please- don't start bringing some actual thought to all of this. on a baseball note. i am now a johann santana and carlos beltran fan. are/were they both playing hurt and making ZERO excuses? i mean johann is now striking out 3 batters a game and REFUSED to make am excuse. ps- nice article in sports illustrated about those girls that carried the softball player around the bases after she tore her acl.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:41 am

Sorry hh, it had to be done.

That was a great story by SI, it did have me wondering what took so long.

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Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:56 am

So Mark, Dave Van der Stuyf and I both drafted from Chicago against you in the same Super Draft league this year, and both of us are beating you, and also both beating you in the overall... and I think I beat you last year in the Super league also (though you definitely beat me in the overall, along with pretty much everyone)... so what does that say about Chicago?

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:06 am

dear less than dave- you stink and so does that vander guy! hope you aren't gonna make another post braggin about how you now have all thse saves because you have madson. you should have realized that i had madson- which meant you were doomed. the tribe asked me to find a guy to replace rafeal perez ( i am a headhunter). i gave them your name. 6'8 and throws 95 i told them.- but can he walk 7 an inning and give up 6 runs? nope i said. they weren't interested.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:39 am

Originally posted by Less than Dave:

So Mark, Dave Van der Stuyf and I both drafted from Chicago against you in the same Super Draft league this year, and both of us are beating you, and also both beating you in the overall... and I think I beat you last year in the Super league also (though you definitely beat me in the overall, along with pretty much everyone)... so what does that say about Chicago? there are some very good drafters in chicago. don't take it personal. my statement was a general statement. maybe you are that good (esp if you beat me a couple times) or maybe you are in a "lesser" league.

and no, i haven't figured out the Super yet.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:40 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Our daughter is doing an internship in Indianapolis for the next nine months. We're thinking about drafting in Chicago next March while we visit her.

There was never a thought in my mind on which venue has the best drafters. Since some Managers switch venues from year-to-year, comparing cities seems futile.

Frankly Mark, your post is every bit as relevant as Walla Walla's post about being in the best league based on what three teams are doing. as always, you are free to think what you want.

i'm looking for every edge. maybe you aren't.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:41 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

ad hominem again. where did i say every league is equal? like i said- you are embarrassing yourself. what i said is your statement on leagues being easy or hard is not born out by facts. i let the #'s talk. you let the babble flow. keep spinn'n.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:45 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Our daughter is doing an internship in Indianapolis for the next nine months. We're thinking about drafting in Chicago next March while we visit her. ya, me too

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:56 am

Hypothetical, Mark-

If Florida was considered the poorest venue last year and assuming most of those guys go to NY to draft, does that weaken the leagues in New York for next year?

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:06 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Hypothetical, Mark-

If Florida was considered the poorest venue last year and assuming most of those guys go to NY to draft, does that weaken the leagues in New York for next year? depends which guys go from florida to NY. the sharks or the guppies?

a couple years ago, i was tracking the lifetime rankings of all main event entrants. chicago was the worst. i bought a plane ticket to chicago and then my "partner" backed out, so i decided to stay in NY.

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:10 am

Like I and many others have stated before, the Florida venues are harder due to the small amount of participants.....you inevitably end up in a league full of good players.

Orlando 1, just like the Orlando league I was in last season, beats up on one another. There's 10+ proficient owners that make it hard for one or two teams to have an advantage.

Sorry, common sense says the more drafters, the more likely you will be in an easier league.

Mark, you've commented numerous times how easy the Florida venues are, how come you've never drafted down here. I know in football, R.I. Workhorse(Johnny) kicked booty in N.Y. and got his booty handed to him in Florida. He actually said the N.Y. drafts were a joke, but the Florida draft was the hardest one he had ever drafted.

Until there's an equal amount of participants in every single city, in my mind, the numbers can be twisted to say whatever you want.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:27 am

Simple solution...

Make EVERYONE go to VEGAS!!!

We'd all get to meet each other and have a party every year!!!

This clan stuff would be done, and the main event would be gigantic!

No phone draft, no online...be there or be square!

I know it's not going to happen, but I can dream, can't I?

You 4 leagues and less cities really would enjoy the Vegas experience, I'd guess. It feels like the NFBC should feel like...an EVENT!!!

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:29 am

It's a year to year game.

The Managers change, some Managers change venues, some Managers drop or get co-Managers, some even retire.

It's all noise.

If he wasn't $100,000 richer at our expense I wouldn't pick on him

, but Bobby Jurney won the overall last year.

This year he is 317th and he drafted in..... Chicago

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:38 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

dear less than dave- you stink and so does that vander guy! hope you aren't gonna make another post braggin about how you now have all thse saves because you have madson. you should have realized that i had madson- which meant you were doomed. the tribe asked me to find a guy to replace rafeal perez ( i am a headhunter). i gave them your name. 6'8 and throws 95 i told them.- but can he walk 7 an inning and give up 6 runs? nope i said. they weren't interested.

hahaha.. stop pickin on my Tribe! man this crap is gettin hard to watch... this is the worst pitching they have had in a looong time.. and given their recent past, that's sayin something! Oh, and I'm only 6'4" with a 92 MPH heater, you talked me up a bit too much... on the plus side, I am up to 2 whole closers now! Nunez is taking over for Lindstrom and Howell has the job in TB! wooo saves! Now if only Qualls and Lidge can re-injure themselves so Pena and Madson can take over...

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:41 am

I just think it's kinda arbitrary to try to measure league strength... sometimes an owner does a good job drafting, but ends up drafting guys like Rich Hill last year or Jose Reyes this year, etc and things just go wrong when there was no reason to think they would...

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:20 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

If he wasn't $100,000 richer at our expense I wouldn't pick on him

, but Bobby Jurney won the overall last year.

This year he is 317th and he drafted in..... Chicago

he drafted in chicago last year AND this year. maybe he got an easy draw last year. he started off with miggy and poodles and got cliff lee off the waiver wire. what other owners in the main event started with miggy and poodles?

"Our 2009 NFBC grand champion is a reflection of what can happen in the NFBC. Robert Jurney of Dunkirk, Maryland joined the NFBC in 2005 and finished 160th overall. He returned in 2006 to win his first NFBC league title, while finishing 41st overall. His "Some Assembly Required 3" team bottomed out in 2007 with a 345th overall finish out of 375 teams and during Week 2 of the 2008 season, "Some Assembly Required 4" was 389th out of 390 teams.

Jurney's fortunes turned around when he picked up Cliff Lee on the free agent wire for $43 in Week 2. Lee's Cy Young Award-winning season along with top picks Miguel Cabrera (9th overall) and second-round gem Albert Pujols propelled Jurney to the top of Chicago League 2 and eventually into the Top 20 overall."

perhaps it should read..."Our 2009 NFBC grand champion is a reflection of what can happen when you draft in chicago". oh boy, start the gekko hate mail posts again!!

go chitown!!

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:24 pm

PS - Jurney's own words when i asked him what his secret of succes was...

Posted by Bobby J (Member # 286) on October 01, 2008 12:06 PM:

"Mark, I think you can agree, there are 3 things during the season, luck at the draft, luck of the league draw and free agent pickups. I think all 3 count just about the same, all 3 are extremely important in their own way."

i agreed with bobby then, and i agree with him now. discounting jurney's words is foolish in my opinion. maybe Glenn and I will chat about this subject on Sunday.

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rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:28 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

It's a year to year game.

The Managers change, some Managers change venues, some Managers drop or get co-Managers, some even retire.

It's all noise.

Well said. I might be diagnosed with anxiety disorder next year and totally ruin my team on draft day. Or maybe I'll decide to take PEDs and runaway with the 100 grand. Managers/owners aren't the same year to year. Maybe I'll pull a Gekko and UP my game to another level next year. Maybe I'll drop my co-manager!!! If I do, don't come to Chicago, GG. That's where I draft!

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:04 pm

Nah, I say go ahead and come to Chicago... then you won't have that excuse...

As for Bobby J winning, I think it had a big part to do with how bad I was in that league... terrible... even with starting off with Braun and Howard in the first 2 rounds

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:15 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

Quick look at where the top 20 teams overall DRAFTED

Chicago 7 teams in top 20

Las Vegas 5 teams in top 20

Phone/Online 3 teams in top 20

NY 3 teams in top 20

Orlando 2 teams in top 20

If all leagues had the same amount of talent in them, the normal distribution of top 20 overall teams would be:

Chicago 3.0

Las Vegas 8.4

Phone/Online 1.5

NY 5.3

Orlando 1.5

For those of you who like to see the bottom line, that means if you:

• drafted in Chicago, your chances of being in the top 20 were INCREASED by a whopping 133%!!!

• drafted in Las Vegas, your chances of being in the top 20 were REDUCED by 40%

• drafted in Phone/Online, your chances of being in the top 20 were INCREASED by a whopping 100%!!!

• drafted in NY (like I did), your chances of being in the top 20 were REDUCED by 43%

• drafted in Orlando, your chances of being in the top 20 were INCREASED 33%!

Summary – In 2009, I think we all know where the weaker drafters (in general) draft. Draft in Chicago or the Phone/Online and you improve your chances RIGHT OFF THE BAT. Before you get mad at me, just look at the numbers. They are FACTS (not opinions). If I get some free time (ya right), I’ll look at the past 2 years to see if we can observe a trend. Chicago 2007: 12 of top 75 (top 20%; in the $ for your league) teams in final standings. Fact

Normal distribution based on Gekko parameters 12; Fact.

Chances of being in top 20% in Chicago, neutral. Using Gekko logic.

Chicago 2008: 11 of top 78(top 20%) teams in final standings. Fact

Normal distribution, 12; Fact.

Chances of being in top 20 reduced by 8%. Using Gekko logic.

Chicago 2009: 12 of top 78; Fact

Normal: 12, Fact

Chances of being top 20%, neutral. Using Gekko logic

Even though the above numbers are as irrelevant as Gekko’s top 20 in the standings numbers (although the sample size is bigger; 20% to 5%), they should be enough to stop the Chicago bashing.

I hope.

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Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:03 am

Originally posted by rucrew2:

Even though the above numbers are as irrelevant as Gekko’s top 20 in the standings numbers (although the sample size is bigger; 20% to 5%), they should be enough to stop the Chicago bashing.

I hope. who cares about the entire top 20%? i'm looking where the powerhouse teams come from, not #78 overall

Head 2 Head · Post by **Head 2 Head** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:41 am

Last year I looked at the leagues and found that more NY teams threw their $1,300 away then other draft locations. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I remember a NY team drafted Longoria and never put him in their lineup. As I said in the posting I did about inactive managers – life sometimes gets in the way of fantasy. I also drafted in Chicago and while I can not prove that the drafters in Chicago have less disposable income then NY and Vegas drafters, I will certainly say that the average income in the mid-west (flyover states) has historically been lower then their coastal counterparts. Based on this, I will say that most Chicago teams are “in it 2 win it” (Plug for one of these CHI teams in the top 20) and that more NY teams feel that $1,300 is pocket change, thus not worth their “valuable” time when their teams fall out of contention early.

I believe that NY has been the best (city advantage) place to draft – and I believe that GG also believes this or he would not be drafting there. As I believe that Mark is here to win and will use every advantage he can gain. With the market downturn 2009 may be different.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:04 am

Originally posted by Head 2 Head:

Last year I looked at the leagues and found that more NY teams threw their $1,300 away then other draft locations. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I remember a NY team drafted Longoria and never put him in their lineup. As I said in the posting I did about inactive managers – life sometimes gets in the way of fantasy. I also drafted in Chicago and while I can not prove that the drafters in Chicago have less disposable income then NY and Vegas drafters, I will certainly say that the average income in the mid-west (flyover states) has historically been lower then their coastal counterparts. Based on this, I will say that most Chicago teams are “in it 2 win it” (Plug for one of these CHI teams in the top 20) and that more NY teams feel that $1,300 is pocket change, thus not worth their “valuable” time when their teams fall out of contention early.

I believe that NY has been the best (city advantage) place to draft – and I believe that GG also believes this or he would not be drafting there. As I believe that Mark is here to win and will use every advantage he can gain. With the market downturn 2009 may be different. I have the numbers. Where are yours? Made up in your head?

Here’s one to go along with your 2008 data…

2008 Avg main event overall ranking by city:

Las Vegas 193.1

New York 194.7

Chicago 197.8

Orlando 202.8

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