Top 20 teams Where_they_draft_from?

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:06 am

Originally posted by Head 2 Head:

I believe that NY has been the best (city advantage) place to draft – and I believe that GG also believes this or he would not be drafting there. As I believe that Mark is here to win and will use every advantage he can gain. With the market downturn 2009 may be different. unfortunatley time and money are a constraint for me. if all cities right outside my doorstep, i woulda been in chicago.

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:21 pm

Originally posted by Head 2 Head:

Based on this, I will say that most Chicago teams are “in it 2 win it” (Plug for one of these CHI teams in the top 20) and that more NY teams feel that $1,300 is pocket change, thus not worth their “valuable” time when their teams fall out of contention early.

Excellent and exceptional post.

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:28 am

Originally posted by Head 2 Head:

Last year I looked at the leagues and found that more NY teams threw their $1,300 away then other draft locations. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I remember a NY team drafted Longoria and never put him in their lineup. As I said in the posting I did about inactive managers – life sometimes gets in the way of fantasy. I also drafted in Chicago and while I can not prove that the drafters in Chicago have less disposable income then NY and Vegas drafters, I will certainly say that the average income in the mid-west (flyover states) has historically been lower then their coastal counterparts. Based on this, I will say that most Chicago teams are “in it 2 win it” (Plug for one of these CHI teams in the top 20) and that more NY teams feel that $1,300 is pocket change, thus not worth their “valuable” time when their teams fall out of contention early.

I believe that NY has been the best (city advantage) place to draft – and I believe that GG also believes this or he would not be drafting there. As I believe that Mark is here to win and will use every advantage he can gain. With the market downturn 2009 may be different. Ummm... as a 23 year-old 3 years ago doing my first NFBC I definitely spent like half of all the money I had to enter NFBC... wasn't exactly "disposable income"... the last 2 years I didn't have much more, so for me, it's win or be broke... it's added incentive for me to do well that others don't have... it drives me to not be homeless

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:37 am

ok that sounded kinda like I disagreed, but I meant to be in agreement haha

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:39 am

Originally posted by Less than Dave:

like half of all the money I knew you were young. I just didn't know you were that young. Cool.

We AARP people never use the word "like" as younger people do.

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:57 am

yeah, I can like totally talk like sophisticated and stuff too though... haha

Too bad you didn't see me at the draft 3 years ago, Dan... I walked into a room full of people twice my age or more.. I'm not gonna lie, I was a little intimidated, even though I was confident. But all the people there were really great. I met a lot of great guys who I look forward to seeing there every year (Mike, Bobby J, Dave, Russel, Rich, etc). It's a really great group of people who love fantasy baseball, beer, and havin a good time.. and I can certainly relate to that! What I also love is that guys like you, Shawn Childs, Mike Diedrich, etc are willing to share your wisdom and insights with everyone because I have learned a lot by listening to you.

Head 2 Head · Post by **Head 2 Head** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:11 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Head 2 Head:

Last year I looked at the leagues and found that more NY teams threw their $1,300 away then other draft locations. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I remember a NY team drafted Longoria and never put him in their lineup. As I said in the posting I did about inactive managers – life sometimes gets in the way of fantasy. I believe that NY has been the best (city advantage) place to draft – and I believe that GG also believes this or he would not be drafting there. As I believe that Mark is here to win and will use every advantage he can gain. With the market downturn 2009 may be different. I have the numbers. Where are yours? Made up in your head?

[/QUOTE]So I looked at last place teams in each league. Number players in starting lineups on the DL. I found two teams with a starting SP on the DL and two other teams with three starters on the DL. One in NY - last pickup 5/31 starting Colon/Downs and Beltran. One in LV starting Laporta (ok not on DL, but you get the point)along with Dice-K and Matt Harrison. The LV teams last pickup was 5/24.

I will claim that both of these leagues have a "Dead Team" and they are NOT in Orlando, Chicago or on the phone.

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Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:01 am

anyone have a count on the # of chicago teams in the top 10 today?

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:44 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

anyone have a count on the # of chicago teams in the top 10 today? Was that post from yesterday true that Washburn was avaliable to be picked up off the WW in CHI?

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:47 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

anyone have a count on the # of chicago teams in the top 10 today? CHI league #4 alone has 4 of the top 20 overall.

WOW. Boggles the odds.

They only fill 4 leagues there, yet somehow do this each year of late.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:21 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

anyone have a count on the # of chicago teams in the top 10 today? Was that post from yesterday true that Washburn was avaliable to be picked up off the WW in CHI? [/QUOTE]yes

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:22 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

CHI league #4 alone has 4 of the top 20 overall.

is this true? if so, houston, we could have a problem.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:58 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

CHI league #4 alone has 4 of the top 20 overall.

is this true? if so, houston, we could have a problem. [/QUOTE]The problem would be? These are 4 owners who have done a great job. They are 4 owners who have an established track record of doing well in other leagues. I will allow myself to be humored for a second and say they have gained an advantage. Is it an advantage that explains why they are beating me? Heck no! You? Probably not.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:17 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

The problem would be? These are 4 owners who have done a great job. They are 4 owners who have an established track record of doing well in other leagues. I will allow myself to be humored for a second and say they have gained an advantage. Is it an advantage that explains why they are beating me? Heck no! You? Probably not. these leagues ARE a ZERO sum game. for someone from your league to do well, someone else has to do "not so well". to have four teams in the top 20 from the SAME league likely means there are 3 or more teams from that league who are performing so bad, it's ridiculous.

i don't have the data in front of me, so i can't verify.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:20 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

They are 4 owners who have an established track record of doing well in other leagues. i don't make things personal. when i see 4 owners (whomever they are) from the same league in the top 20, that's a problem from my end.

i'll look at this tonight.

can someone post the bottom 3 or 4 teams from that chicago league in the overall standings, along with their ranking?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:23 am

Four teams in the bottom 51.

Two in the bottom 11.

Is this data? I don't know.

It could happen to any league, anywhere.

For all I know it could be four good players who have made bad decisions, had injuries, who knows?

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:29 am

Out of curiosity I checked the bottom teams out in that league. Nothing led me to believe they were tanking or anything. They generally have good players having down years and/or a rash of injuries. It happens.

Kudos to the 4 doing very well in that league.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:31 am

i'm getting the data as we speak. sit tight

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:46 am

i posted this last year when ad hominem was on this topic. we do this every year. meet in a room - draw straws. top 10 guys get to pick dream teams and we let them win on the waiver wire too. we split all the ny and vegas cash.very small paypack for all the $ they take from us at the casinoes- and the big casino- the stock market. this is chicago- home of the rigged election. get with it. we do it every year.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:47 am

looking at the teams ranked 300-390 overall should give us some indication where the top teams are ranked.

more poor teams in a single league = more good teams. here's a look at the leagues with the most and least teams in the bottom 90 overall, along with any top finishers in the top 20.

Leagues with more "poor" teams

Las Vegas League 8 Saturday, March 21st - 6 teams in bottom 90

Main Event overall leader is from this league. Big surprise huh? Also 8th place overall is from this league

Chicago League 4 - 5 teams in bottom 90

Main Event overall 6th, 7th, 12th, 20th place is from this league.

Orlando League 2 - 5 teams in bottom 90

Main Event overall 14th place is from this league.

Phone/Online League 1 - 5 teams in bottom 90

Leagues with less "poor" teams

New York League 3 - 2 teams in bottom 90

Main Event overall 19th place is from this league.

Las Vegas League 7 - 2 teams in bottom 90

New York League 5 - 2 teams in bottom 90

Only leagues with no "poor" teams

New York League 6 - ZERO teams in bottom 90

I'm in this league. Figures.

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Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:50 am

I’m in Chicago 4. Waiting to hear how our league is the worst of all time. Of course it would be nice if such judgments could be made after the season is complete instead of at the All-Star break.

But since you are going to look at it now, I would like to see some comparisons to other leagues of questionable results. Maybe like New York league 5 from 2007 (Three teams in the top 12 overall at years end).

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:50 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

i posted this last year when ad hominem was on this topic. we do this every year. meet in a room - draw straws. top 10 guys get to pick dream teams and we let them win on the waiver wire too. we split all the ny and vegas cash.very small paypack for all the $ they take from us at the casinoes- and the big casino- the stock market. this is chicago- home of the rigged election. get with it. we do it every year. nicely played.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:53 am

i think chicago is getting screwed. that team in 20th will win zero- repeat - zero $. meanwhile ny 6 with 15 average teams in their zero sum average game will have 3 teams win $. chicago is getting screwed big time.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:55 am

a couple "poor" teams in a single league breeds powerhouse teams. this is true no matter what city you draft in.

the key moving forward appears to be seeing if there is a pattern to where the "poor" teams draft

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:58 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

Only leagues with no "poor" teams

New York League 6 - ZERO teams in bottom 90

I'm in this league. Figures.

Orrrr... we could look at this another way.

There are two players in NY 6 who are in the top 50. Everybody else is 100-300.

Two good players in your league and 13 mediocre players. Two good players in NY 6 guaranteed money, while Chicago 4 has someone that will finish with no money. I'd rather be a good player in NY 6.Of course, this all isn't true. To generalize the 13 players in NY 6 and call them mediocre, merely because they sit at 100-300 at the all star break is silly. But anyone can play with numbers and declare one league better or worse than another.

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