Starting to Feel Like the NY Mets

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:22 pm

Cruising along, feeling good about my team and then the Fantasy Gods strike.....

ARam, Jenks, Drew, Castillo, and then tonight Niese & worst of all Justin Upton all injured or hurt in the last week....20% of my roster....yikes!

At least the only serious injury so far is Niese....well hopefully....really would hate to lose Upton for an extended period.

Keeping my fingers crossed,

Glenn

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:41 pm

Yup...it makes me miss football.

Baseball players are so fragile...much like girls.

This season started with so much promise.

I nailed my draft (as much as I could)...I filled my draft weakness by getting Aardsma and Downs off the WW for saves.

Losing guys like Rickie Weeks, Jay Bruce, Doumit, and Jose Reyes playing the non-contact sport of baseball makes me sick. These girls swing a bat wrong and break wrists, non-contact falls on the well groomed grass and break things. Amazing how football players can survive even three plays.

I managed to grab guys like McCutchen and Beckham off the WW...and yet I'm still sinking like a rock.

I give up.

I'll fight the good fight to keep my league honest...but this season really took the wind out of my sails for baseball.

I have no desire to be as active as needed to win at this level. I do not find it fun or worth the hours of effort to grind the weekly WW looking for bodies that will have more at bats or starts two or three weeks from now. Others will do this...and it's too hard to fight that losing battle. I can grind out thousand dollar paydays in my home league where they aren't so serious as they are here.

The NFBC rules...I just know when I'm beat.

~Lance

[ August 05, 2009, 11:47 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:32 am

Lance it's tuff to overcome losing your first round pick you got a Zero from Reyes.If you had gotten Hanley ,Puljols,or even Wright it would have been much different.I liked your team coming out of the draft but you cant take a nothing from Reyes.I also drafted Reyes in the SCL and im dead last,he suck's.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:05 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Losing guys like Rickie Weeks, Jay Bruce, Doumit, and Jose Reyes playing the non-contact sport of baseball makes me sick.

~Lance Ummmm......I think after reading this list, I'll stop complaining now.

One clarification though, I wasn't really complaining about injuries, as for the most part I haven't suffered any MAJOR injuries this year to the extent you have and I believe injuries are part of the game. Being a Met fan and having their almost comical rash of injuries being remarked on daily by the local media, I just saw a corelation between their plight and what's been happening to my team over the last week & a half. I even forgot to mention Millwood who brings the total to 7 players who've lost time on my team since the beginning of last week. Luckily for me, outside of Niese & hopefully not Upton (again fingers crossed), none of the injuries are major and should just ruin my week and not my season.

As far as the fragility of baseball players are concerned, I couldn't agree more. Even though baseball is still my favorite sport, as well as my favorite fantasy sport, its rosters are filled with p*****s. Could you imagine a football player or especially a hockey player sitting with some of the injuries that sideline Chipper or JD or Milton or the like? I think I remember an incident during a hockey game I watched during my childhood where Nicky Fotiu was beheaded at the end of the 1st period, superglued his head back on & added a butterfly stitch between periods, and returned for the 3rd. Now that's a man's sport. Go Rangers by the way.

Glenn

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:09 am

Yuck. Mutts AND Rangers? Boooooooooooooooooo.

Anyhow Lance, that sux. Sorry to hear. But don't give up!! Who's going to keep me company driving to Vegas next year!!!? Tough to overcome a zero from Reyes. Compound it with the other injuries, and you were fighting an uphill fight all season. Then compound it by the league you're in, and well, the fantasy gods conspired against you this year. But it can't happen again!! You have to think you get all the good mojo next season.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:36 am

The Mets depth and Omar Minaya's (lack of) skills as a GM have been put on display this year.

The future does not look pretty.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:11 am

football players play 16 games a year. in many spots football is not a skill sport. yes some guys in baseball are wusses- but most injuries are legit. throwing a baseball 90 miles an hour- or especially curves and changeups and sliders for 35 starts a year at a high level is hard. guys run really fast for 90- 360 ft- then stand around. the guys in football that are in the skill spot- qb's- get hurt a lot. the guys in the running back wideout and cornerback spot do too. plus- they can get shot up to play one game, make a few tackles and be done. you can't get shot up every day to play in baseball. derosa is probably doing it- but most times it can't be done. lance had a good team- it just didn't work out. if reyes stays healthy- you are in top 3 for sure. the guy can't play with a torn hammy. the mets appear to be less than truthfull about these injuries- probably to keep the fans interested. in football- count from now till end of year how many qb's and rb's miss time- it will be many. but in football the backup can do well- because of team. In baseball- they can't hit the ball or catch it for you- you gotta do it. you have a great offensive line- you can run well. just my opinion obviously.

huskyfan88 · Post by **huskyfan88** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:12 am

Wow, a Fotiu reference! I swear that guy's nose had more sewing thread in it than a Chinese jeans factory!

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:08 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

the mets appear to be less than truthfull about these injuries- probably to keep the fans interested.You're being too kind.

Minaya has gone to the JP Ricciardi school of under scoring the length and severity of injuries. Beltran and Reyes were barely dl-able according to him. Soon after, it was a week here and there until it was obvious they were hurt far more than the Mets wanted to let the public know.

Raskol · Post by **Raskol** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:37 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Yup...it makes me miss football.

Baseball players are so fragile...much like girls.

This season started with so much promise.

I nailed my draft (as much as I could)...I filled my draft weakness by getting Aardsma and Downs off the WW for saves.

Losing guys like Rickie Weeks, Jay Bruce, Doumit, and Jose Reyes playing the non-contact sport of baseball makes me sick. These girls swing a bat wrong and break wrists, non-contact falls on the well groomed grass and break things. Amazing how football players can survive even three plays.

I managed to grab guys like McCutchen and Beckham off the WW...and yet I'm still sinking like a rock.

I give up.

I'll fight the good fight to keep my league honest...but this season really took the wind out of my sails for baseball.

I have no desire to be as active as needed to win at this level. I do not find it fun or worth the hours of effort to grind the weekly WW looking for bodies that will have more at bats or starts two or three weeks from now. Others will do this...and it's too hard to fight that losing battle. I can grind out thousand dollar paydays in my home league where they aren't so serious as they are here.

The NFBC rules...I just know when I'm beat.

~Lance I'm with ya on this one, Lance. It's been a very frustrating season. My rock solid teams leaving a draft all pretty much suck. I'm trimming things down next year. Hopefully KJ doesn't come up with any more crazy ideas for leagues.

Return of the Aces · Post by **Return of the Aces** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:30 am

Hey, there is nothing that you can do about it.

This season, these players on my roster lost significant time due to injury:

Jose Reyes, Aramis Ramirez, Jay Bruce, and Chien-Ming Wang. Not including several weeks from Carlos Zambrano and Chris Iannetta. I am aiming for a middle of the pack finish in my league.

[ August 07, 2009, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: Return of the Aces ]

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:59 am

childs original 23 had: volquez, quentin, johjima. all hurt. also: pedro, micah,corpas,ryan perry,snell wieters zaun francour, giambi and eric aybar ( a great pick- but he dropped him after 12 at bats) that is 13 of 23 picks that either got hurt or have sucked. result so far= top 6. it is the waiver wire and getting some studs from below your 1st 3 rounds. he does it every year - what can ya say? in football- make a few picks that pan out, grab a few good bench guys, make 2 good waiver wire pickups and voila- a winner. both a fun- but baseball has more skill and is a grind.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:00 am

this is how I imagine Childs choosing his free agents

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:40 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

childs original 23 had: volquez, quentin, johjima. all hurt. also: pedro, micah,corpas,ryan perry,snell wieters zaun francour, giambi and eric aybar ( a great pick- but he dropped him after 12 at bats) that is 13 of 23 picks that either got hurt or have sucked. result so far= top 6. it is the waiver wire and getting some studs from below your 1st 3 rounds. he does it every year - what can ya say? in football- make a few picks that pan out, grab a few good bench guys, make 2 good waiver wire pickups and voila- a winner. both a fun- but baseball has more skill and is a grind. Fantasy Baseball is like chess

Fantasy Football is like......Fantasy Football

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:46 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

childs original 23 had: volquez, quentin, johjima. all hurt. also: pedro, micah,corpas,ryan perry,snell wieters zaun francour, giambi and eric aybar ( a great pick- but he dropped him after 12 at bats) that is 13 of 23 picks that either got hurt or have sucked. result so far= top 6. it is the waiver wire and getting some studs from below your 1st 3 rounds. he does it every year - what can ya say? in football- make a few picks that pan out, grab a few good bench guys, make 2 good waiver wire pickups and voila- a winner. both a fun- but baseball has more skill and is a grind. You know the waiver wire is a timing thing. You have to hope there are players available when your guy goes down or when you realize they suck. You think CC realizes they suck before the rest of us?

Timing example: If you had Aviles, you had a chance to wire Zobrist etc. You never had this chance if you had Reyes.

kgrady · Post by **kgrady** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:52 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by headhunters:

the mets appear to be less than truthfull about these injuries- probably to keep the fans interested.You're being too kind.

Minaya has gone to the JP Ricciardi school of under scoring the length and severity of injuries. Beltran and Reyes were barely dl-able according to him. Soon after, it was a week here and there until it was obvious they were hurt far more than the Mets wanted to let the public know. [/QUOTE]Joe Benigno and Evan Roberts summed up the Mets injury situation last week on their WFAN show. Forget about projecting timetables. Jose Reyes was originally considered day-to-day. No matter what the injury, they suggest that any DL'd Met should be presumed out for the rest of the year until he actually appears in a game.

Kevin

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:07 am

I have to agree with a couple of the guys here,I don't know if it is just the bad teams I have drafted he last few years or what but fantasy baseball is just not that much fun this year. I have been in this every year but if you were to ask me right now if I will play next year I would have to say "no". I think a main entry, two satellites and a magazine league have just burned me out. But then again a long cold winter could change that thinking.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:49 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

this is how I imagine Childs choosing his free agents

Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black? or Michelangelo I guess?

Lance, I am with you. I like my teams coming out of the main event draft, but pretty soon I fall behind in the FAAB wars. For some reason, in the auctions I seem to be fine, probably because I can eeek out enough deals that I don't need FAAB as much. I am probably going to have to yield on the main events and focus on just auctions...

I have been in leagues with Quahogs 3 years in a row and each time I think, this is it, my draft was competitive. I give Quahogs, I give!

[ August 08, 2009, 02:48 PM: Message edited by: Spyhunter ]

Schwks · Post by **Schwks** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:52 am

This is an interesting thought line. I feel like the good players are tracking all players, not just their need spots. With 7 reserve spots per team, there is a lot of room to refresh your bottom players. Roto is about constantly churning and re-examining your fringe players, making minute upgrades. Looking at CC's team in main draw, he has a weakness at C. He currently has Wieters at one spot, whom he seems resigned to stick with. At the other spot he is searching and replacing. Last week it was Rob Johnson, this week, he went for hot hand Aviles.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:06 pm

Originally posted by Schwks:

This is an interesting thought line. I feel like the good players are tracking all players, not just their need spots. With 7 reserve spots per team, there is a lot of room to refresh your bottom players. Roto is about constantly churning and re-examining your fringe players, making minute upgrades. Looking at CC's team in main draw, he has a weakness at C. He currently has Wieters at one spot, whom he seems resigned to stick with. At the other spot he is searching and replacing. Last week it was Rob Johnson, this week, he went for hot hand Aviles. I might be churning, but nothing has worked this year at the catcher slots.

Here's my great year at the catcher spot:

Ruiz .117 60 1 7 0 4

Zaun .130 46 6 6 0 1

Alfonzo .152 33 2 5 1 6

Johjima .253 79 8 20 2 9 2(SB)

Weiters .269 193 14 52 3 18

Castro (Stud) .344 32 2 11 1 5

Johnson .214 42 2 9 0 6

Hanigan .158 38 2 6 0 0

Torrealba .222 18 0 4 0 2

The 9 catchers have hit a combined .222 for the year with 37 runs, 7 homers, 51 RBI and 2 steals.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:47 am

Assuming Shawn was showing the results from the 2nd catcher slot, I looked at 2nd catcher slots in my league YTD. Only two teams have had the same two catchers all year. Seven teams have used a total of three catchers for both slots. That means six teams or 40% have used four or more catchers this year with one team using seven and one team using eight to cover both catcher spots. The average usage of catchers to fill both spots was four.

Using AB primarily as guide, I was able to identify 13 teams that had a true "2nd" catcher. Two teams have rotated multiple players into both slots and have no clear #1 or #2 and they were the teams that used the seven and eight catchers so far this year.

For the thirteen that was easiest to identify the second catcher, the average numbers were:

AB 280

AVG .2356

R 30

HR 8

RBI 34

SB 2

Still the weakest spot for most and no matter how bad your second spot is, you cannot be too far from average.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:12 am

BTW, the average stats YTD for both catcher slots in my League are:

AB 601

AVG .2565

R 71

HR 19

RBI 80

SB 3

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:28 am

Wayne...those are the results from both catching slots.

I missed on Varitek the firsy week of bidding 44-13. He put up .223 37 13 45. He would have been an upgrade at batting average! Can you imagine he was the best free agent catcher all year in my league? Montero was drafted and never dropped.

[ August 18, 2009, 09:30 AM: Message edited by: CC's Desperados ]

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:15 am

I've had sh*ta$$ catching 2 years in a row. I'm biting the bullet next year and drafting Mauer and McCann 1-2. I can't take it another year!!!

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:19 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

Wayne...those are the results from both catching slots.

I missed on Varitek the firsy week of bidding 44-13. He put up .223 37 13 45. He would have been an upgrade at batting average! Can you imagine he was the best free agent catcher all year in my league? Montero was drafted and never dropped. Yikes! Sorry, dude!