2010 NFBC Draft Dates and Locations Revealed

Oaktown · Post by **Oaktown** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:18 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:

Two draft times, I'm not a fan. Either am I but I cannot come up with a logical reason why. When that happens it usually just means I need to get used to the idea. I think there is an obvious advantage for those guys drafting later, but no one is putting a gun to your head and saying you have to. [/QUOTE]That's about how I feel.....I love the draft room knowing everyone is there or in another venue at same time. I also like seeing a lot of friends that weekend....now people will be split. Not a fan.

Dak · Post by **Dak** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:36 am

Originally posted by Oaktown:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:

Two draft times, I'm not a fan. Either am I but I cannot come up with a logical reason why. When that happens it usually just means I need to get used to the idea. I think there is an obvious advantage for those guys drafting later, but no one is putting a gun to your head and saying you have to. [/QUOTE]That's about how I feel.....I love the draft room knowing everyone is there or in another venue at same time. I also like seeing a lot of friends that weekend....now people will be split. Not a fan. [/QUOTE]Also, the more disposable income one has for multiple entries the better the odds for overall.........not a fan!!!???!!!

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:47 am

I think that if you do the two draft times you should only allow one team per owner. This is the MAINE EVENT, THE WORLD SERIES. You get one team, one year, one chance to "pull a lindy". Your guy gets hurt your done, guy pulls an ace on the River card get up and walk away your done.

I dont like an owner being able to run multiple main event teams. yes to win is still an enormous achievement but isnt the main event all about this being your one team and if you do it your the best if your not you have to wait till 2011.

One team per owner

Schwks · Post by **Schwks** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:50 am

I have never done a main event, but Id have to think that if this event wants to eventually become THE nationally recognized event for players in this field, you want a one-man one-team concept. What event allows multiple entries from same player...would be like allowing Phil Mickelson to enter the US Open twice, play each hole, each day twice. Poker players dont get to buy in two entries in WSP.

Lastly couldnt a player who has two teams conceivably one team to help the other in the standings?

Asumijet · Post by **Asumijet** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:03 am

Little know fact about me, I was once on a game show, Supermarket Sweep, back in my youthful college days. The excuse I will use for the embarrassing event in my life was that I was trying to win some beer money. Ended up facing a contestant that was brought back due to a technicality. So, they had previous experience running the grocery lanes- learned from their mistakes and had critical information that my brother and I did not have. We lost to them by $50 in groceries and I felt cheated.

If I had to face a number of teams during the second weekend of the NFBC that had both the additional experience and the info of the earlier week drafts, I would feel pretty disadvantaged. Goes for both the Main and Auction championships, IMO.

Ryan E. Houston · Post by **Ryan E. Houston** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:23 am

I get it. Change is never a good thing and people like to tell you why.

However, I think in this case it's a little too early to understand the ramifications.

We aren't forcing you to play two weeks. In fact, it's not the reason why we are doing this.

The idea is to grow the event.

Some people can't draft the first weekend, some people can't draft the second weekend.

Overall -- we are trying to get as many people as possible to participate in the event and by offering it two consecutive weekends -- we feel we are casting our net and offering something for everyone. We want people to participate in what we offer and our goal is to show everyone a great time. We know the retention rate of players who play in NFBC and NFFC is VERY high -- so once they get a taste for how we do this and how much fun it is, they are hooked. Thus, we need to appeal this event to the masses.

We have even more ideas.

The Auction Championship will be a lot of fun and give us our first National Fantasy Baseball Auction Championship. Albeit -- mixed format.

We will gladly make the the ADP from the first weekend available to all participants in the second weekend. Again, I have no reason to believe that most of you won't play in the 2nd weekend events and that's fine -- the best part of this is getting overlooked: Pick YOUR weekend!

Greg and I participated in some of the competitors the following weekend of NFFC -- and both our teams are not good despite having the ADP data from previous weekend events.

I know a lot of people feel that's vital -- but not sure I agree with that at all. It wasn't different the ADP data you can find on MDC or any other ADP site.

Sure - your player could get hurt in that one week between events, but a lot of things can happen. We are offering you the owner the ability to pick the weekend that best suits your needs, skill set, etc.

I understand the frustration - but I'm not sure it's warranted when the details are preliminary and you haven't seen them all.

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:25 am

I'm not a big fan of this 2 weekend concept either.. And with Greg saying that he would keep the results from the first weekend secret(although they would trickle out), wouldnt it give the people drafting twice an even bigger advantage going to the 2nd weekend?

And again, I echo the sentiment that I don't like the multiple teams for one owner idea.. The event loses its luster a bit as THE event, if teams get more than one shot at it..

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:25 am

Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

greg

if i'm reading correctly, there will only be one $800 auction draft in Chicago! Will my only chance to participate in two $800 auctions is to do one in another city the previous weekend?

bill At this point, yes, Bill. We may have another Midwest location for March 19-20, but that will be decided soon. But I'm not sure if the auction will be part of that. We'll know soon.

And again, the goal of the multiple weekends isn't to give folks multiple entries, even though that could happen for some. We're trying to allow folks the best chance to play in whatever NFBC contest they want on the weekend that works best for them.

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:27 am

I agree with you that two dates will allow for more people to play. Thats not the argument at hand. The argument is that the main event should be one owner, one team. It's up to you to choose what weekend you draft but you should only be able to be represented by one team in the main event.

Thats what makes this such a exciting event. It's your one team and one chance to win the title of best fantasy mgr.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:31 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

I'll be pulling out. I'm sad to see Greg let the other contest make the date. One weekend with the best players in the land was a great thing. Now

many of those players will never draft together again. This really SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**** YOU FANBALL!!!!! I understand your frustration John, but honestly I think you'll find all of the best players in the land in Las Vegas and our other cities on March 26-28. It's not the first weekend of March Madness but we're there for the baseball drafts anyway and the live events will still be a lot of fun. I'd bet that we get 360 live teams for that weekend this year, just like we had on the third weekend of March, 2009. So it will work out and we'll probably go above 405 when all is said and done.

Watch the signup list to see when these folks decide to draft. You'll see that many of the same folks will be back, likely for the weekend that makes the most sense. Drafting one full week before the start of Opening Day makes the best sense for a contest with more than $1 million on the line and that's the step we're taking today.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:34 am

Originally posted by Oaktown:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:

Two draft times, I'm not a fan. Either am I but I cannot come up with a logical reason why. When that happens it usually just means I need to get used to the idea. I think there is an obvious advantage for those guys drafting later, but no one is putting a gun to your head and saying you have to. [/QUOTE]That's about how I feel.....I love the draft room knowing everyone is there or in another venue at same time. I also like seeing a lot of friends that weekend....now people will be split. Not a fan. [/QUOTE]We'll list every signup as they come in, just like in past years. I think most folks will still come together as one on the last weekend of March. I wouldn't assume we will have 150 teams one weekend and 255 the next. No way.

Again, let's see the signup lists as we get things rolling and see if all of these assumptions of not having everyone together is right or wrong.

Ryan E. Houston · Post by **Ryan E. Houston** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:36 am

[/QUOTE]I understand your frustration John, but honestly I think you'll find all of the best players in the land in Las Vegas and our other cities on March 26-28. [/QB][/quote]

To echo what Greg said ---

Most people will choose to draft in our 3 locations on the weekend of March 26, 27 and 28th. We completely understand that.

In fact -- we are excited about that and we want you to be part of whatever weekend best suits your needs and schedule.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:36 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

I'll be pulling out. I'm sad to see Greg let the other contest make the date. One weekend with the best players in the land was a great thing. Now

many of those players will never draft together again. This really SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**** YOU FANBALL!!!!! Walla Walla has retired again. The 2010 season has officially begun!

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:40 am

listen - i look for every edge possible when competing. i don't see ANY clear advantage for the early drafters.

personally, i am one who will always prefer to draft with the most information possible. i will likely only choose the second weekend, and i don't think i'm at any disadvantage to the early drafters at all. no more so, than chicago, orlando or online/phone drafters

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:41 am

based on the new rules, Whats to stop Shawn Childs (who lives MA) from taking a train to NY the first weekend, drafting a killer team, and then doing his trip to LV for the following weekend and doing two Main Event teams. For 100K I would if i was him considering he's top 10 every year.

Dont you feel that the odds he has to win are now greater??

I'm not singling Shawn out for any reason other than his name rings a bell with everyone but he just like every other owner should only have one main event team.

You are avoiding this topic in all of your replies.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:41 am

Originally posted by Dak:

quote:Originally posted by Oaktown:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:

Two draft times, I'm not a fan. Either am I but I cannot come up with a logical reason why. When that happens it usually just means I need to get used to the idea. I think there is an obvious advantage for those guys drafting later, but no one is putting a gun to your head and saying you have to. [/QUOTE]That's about how I feel.....I love the draft room knowing everyone is there or in another venue at same time. I also like seeing a lot of friends that weekend....now people will be split. Not a fan. [/QUOTE]Also, the more disposable income one has for multiple entries the better the odds for overall.........not a fan!!!???!!! [/QUOTE]People could have had multiple teams in the NFBC each year and nobody did it. Heck, I remember when Shawn Childs drafted twice in football one year – one team for his wife – and nobody complained. Well, maybe his wife did.

Maybe I'm naive in thinking that we'll have fewer multiple entries than what others envision. That's not the goal here and Ryan has said that, too. But just changing the weekend after already announcing March 20th as the draft date and signing a contract with the Flamingo was tough. Let's see how this plays out in 2010 and if changes need to be made we'll make them.

So you'd be good with the change of the weekend if we allowed only one main event team per owner??

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:43 am

Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:

Dont you feel that the odds he has to win are now greater??

shawn would have also paid his entry fee twice. agreed that i wouldn't want to compete against TWO shawn child's, but there's ALREADY owners who had 2 or more teams in the NFBC/NFFC. And yes, Childs is one of them!!

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:46 am

How do you draft multiple NFBC teams?

Thats impossible, unless your having someone draft it for you but even at that it's not 100% your team.

Gekko,

I just feel that with the main event it should be one team/one owner for the title. Winner take all baby!

crazytown · Post by **crazytown** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:48 am

Greg stated in the opening that "all results will be held private". That means that they should not be used for any ADP statistics.

Is this correct?

Ryan E. Houston · Post by **Ryan E. Houston** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:48 am

I'm not side-stepping the questions about multiple entries.

I think they are valid.

I'm sure Shawn will do whatever he can to play in as many drafts as possible.

However, to think that you can't do that today in any of these high stakes formats is absurd. It's entirely possible.

I had an owner at my table at one of the "other" high stakes events and he told me he had 9 teams in that event -- four drafting at the same time I was drafting.

I also know of people who buy / fund / help manage multiple teams in the NFFC.

It's entirely possible.

I think we might see a guy draft in NY and LV in back-to-back weekends. In fact - I know we will.

But let me reiterate -- that's not our goal. Our goal is to allow YOU to pick the best options for YOU. You want multiple teams -- play them.

If you want 1 team -- pick the date.

If you want 1 Auction Team, 1 NFFC Classic Team and 1 Super Team -- you can do that too.

Lindy proved one thing -- You CAN win with one team regardless of how many people have multiple teams.

It only takes one team to win. You have to play to win.

For every guy that has two teams -- there will be plenty that have one.

Trust me -- only 1 winner in the NFFC Classic is going to get crowned no matter how many teams are in it and how many you have.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:49 am

Originally posted by Asumijet:

Little know fact about me, I was once on a game show, Supermarket Sweep, back in my youthful college days. The excuse I will use for the embarrassing event in my life was that I was trying to win some beer money. Ended up facing a contestant that was brought back due to a technicality. So, they had previous experience running the grocery lanes- learned from their mistakes and had critical information that my brother and I did not have. We lost to them by $50 in groceries and I felt cheated.

If I had to face a number of teams during the second weekend of the NFBC that had both the additional experience and the info of the earlier week drafts, I would feel pretty disadvantaged. Goes for both the Main and Auction championships, IMO. I hear you Neal and certainly can understand the correlation of the two examples. But right now many folks are drafting in NFBC pay leagues and entering Draft Day with more data than others. Some owners drafted in January Slow Drafts and shared information, insights, data, etc., and then did $250 drafts, $500 drafts, etc. And who's to say that anyone who drafted the week before in the main event is any smarter than anyone coming into the second weekend? Heck, many times we all use the same ADP lists and the same guys kick butt by going on their own hunches with certain players.

I understand the desire of folks not wanting Shawn Childs to have two cracks at the $100,000. Some folks will take two chances if they can, I realize that. But the advantage seems to be in drafting later, not earlier, correct? So prepare like never before and join us on March 27th. Win your league title and take your chances in the main event like always, right?

Hey, Lindy Hinkelman had one shot in the main event and he took two teams in the Online Championship. Other owners had two or three teams in the Online Championship. Did it lesson his second overall title because he had an extra team? I don't think so. He earned that one and he beat a lot of good owners both times. Just an example and I highly doubt we have multiple owners in the main event like we do in the Online Championship.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:51 am

IMHO

i feel better going to the weekend before the season opens. we've all taken players in early leagues, whether it's NFFC or NFBC, and regretted it. the closer to opening day, the better for us all.

bill

Ryan E. Houston · Post by **Ryan E. Houston** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:51 am

The ? you should all be asking --

How do you earn one of these:

Details on those later!

Let's get through the shock of this and we can start concentrating on all the good news surrounding these events.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:54 am

Originally posted by crazytown.gov:

Greg stated in the opening that "all results will be held private". That means that they should not be used for any ADP statistics.

Is this correct? Yes, the individual results will be private. I see no problem with us providing the ADPs for everyone, that's fine. It's no different than us providing you the ADPs of all paid NFBC Satellite Leagues on the Tuesday before Draft Day. But what I'm saying is that we will not reveal Las Vegas League 1's draft results for all to see so that they can "scout" who Shawn or Joe Blow picked from the fourth spot. We will not allow owners to scout or know the picks of any owner who drafted the previous week.

[ October 09, 2009, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:55 am

sounds good greg,

I see your point and i dont feel there is any advantage to double drafting. I just like the fact that the main event is a one owner/one team right now. Unless you have guys drafting teams for you, but unless Gekko/Childs and others are Houdini when they sit down in LV/NY to draft they are there and not in other states drafting live.

thats the nostalga of the main event. Like the WSOP, everyone has one chance.