2010 NFBC Draft Dates and Locations Revealed

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:22 pm

GREG:

I've never been against multiple teams. I've arranged several syndicate teams over the years to help fill these events.

One of the things that disturbed me in Football this year was that one owner, Julian Curry, had several teams spread out across the room. I was in 2 of his leagues. Anybody choosing this route, should not be allowed to run from draft table to draft table IN-DRAFT. I watched this guy hold up leagues because he DID NOT know which players were left in the league he decided to jump into at the moment his pick was on the clock. I'm hoping this won't take place in the NFBC.

If you play multiple teams at one site, you should have a declared representative at the table responsible for each team. This didn't lead to any issues, as most just let it slide. However, I could envision a problem some day.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:23 pm

Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

Greg,

Since you stated that your goal is not to have owners buy multiple teams, why not limit one team per owner?

I would imagine this would be difficult to police on your end.

That's my biggest issue with the new format. The two dates doesn't bother me as much. I would guess that 75% of folks will choose the 27th though for obvious reasons. Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. Is this REALLY the reason for the discontent?? Remember, we are projecting 405 teams after selling out at 390 teams, so we aren't planning on many multiple teams.

I'd be interested in this point, but also wondering why we have to limit owners to one team here but unlimited teams in the online championship. Why?

Captain Crunch · Post by **Captain Crunch** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:26 pm

So the main event is just becoming the live version of the olc. Why not have two distinct formats?

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:28 pm

We could do two weekends. Dump the lifetime standings and all the records for the main event though. Lets not let history get in the way of the almighty buck. Sad Sad Day! Fan Ball took over CDM and it drove Mean Gene back to Music.

Greg will be singing Vegas soon.

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:28 pm

Lets see; Jim Christie is leading Las Vegas 7 and the OA; Jim Christie Las Vegas 11 is 200OA and 9th in league; but in Las Vegas 11 is Ken Magner who is also 2nd OA; Ken is right behind OA Jim Christie; Jim Christie in Las Vegas 11 can do some unique roster moves to prevent Ken gaining some needed points on another League 11 team that would keep Ken from taking over #1 OA. I do know that would never happen, but who knows...where is Gekko when you need him.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:28 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

Greg,

Since you stated that your goal is not to have owners buy multiple teams, why not limit one team per owner?

I would imagine this would be difficult to police on your end.

That's my biggest issue with the new format. The two dates doesn't bother me as much. I would guess that 75% of folks will choose the 27th though for obvious reasons. Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. Is this REALLY the reason for the discontent?? Remember, we are projecting 405 teams after selling out at 390 teams, so we aren't planning on many multiple teams.

I'd be interested in this point, but also wondering why we have to limit owners to one team here but unlimited teams in the online championship. Why? [/QUOTE]this is the question i asked on page 5 of this thread?

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:30 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

Greg,

Since you stated that your goal is not to have owners buy multiple teams, why not limit one team per owner?

I would imagine this would be difficult to police on your end.

That's my biggest issue with the new format. The two dates doesn't bother me as much. I would guess that 75% of folks will choose the 27th though for obvious reasons. Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. Is this REALLY the reason for the discontent?? Remember, we are projecting 405 teams after selling out at 390 teams, so we aren't planning on many multiple teams.

I'd be interested in this point, but also wondering why we have to limit owners to one team here but unlimited teams in the online championship. Why? [/QUOTE]Good point Greg. I'm not a fan of unlimited teams in the online as well. BUT- I do realize its good for your business and company. I'm going to probably pass on the online this year for this very reason. The odds are certainly a little but higher of winning the whole thing when you own multiple teams. This is not a dig in anyway on the online champions this year. Nothing is easy in these leagues.

The main event is the marquee event. Perhaps I'm crazy but I could see 50-75 diehard owners buying 2 main event teams.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:31 pm

IMO

i don't see this as a big deal at all..i'm going to draft one week before the opening season.

bill

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:31 pm

Originally posted by Sack:

DUKE:

Point taken, you know I respect your opinion. Especially on the Friday D/L rule, but this isn't the time or the place.

Just can't let you jump my guy CAPTAIN CRUNCH without a fight. It must be the policeman in me.

Sack Sorry there Sack. Wasn't jumping on CRUNCH personally; many have a similar view, which I think is just factually wrong. No doubt people will have different preferences, and I completely respect that. Just don't tell me it makes the playing field uneven!

The WCOFF this past season went thru many of the same arguments and objections when they went to a 2-day draft setup. I drafted both days and there was a HUGE advantage in one of the drafts over the other, but it was all because of the quality of opponent in one lge vs the other. The draft day won't matter, but who ends up in your league will make a big difference.

[ October 09, 2009, 10:22 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:33 pm

The Indy 500 is just a car race,the super bowl is just a football game,Marilyn Monroe is just a woman,The NFBC is just a fantasy baseball league.I think not.

huskyfan88 · Post by **huskyfan88** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:34 pm

Whatever happens, happens. These are just going to be Fanball leagues now.

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:34 pm

Originally posted by Lunatic:

Lets see; Jim Christie is leading Las Vegas 7 and the OA; Jim Christie Las Vegas 11 is 200OA and 9th in league; but in Las Vegas 11 is Ken Magner who is also 2nd OA; Ken is right behind OA Jim Christie; Jim Christie in Las Vegas 11 can do some unique roster moves to prevent Ken gaining some needed points on another League 11 team that would keep Ken from taking over #1 OA. I do know that would never happen, but who knows...where is Gekko when you need him. This may seem far fetched but this is a possibility.

Greg - How many folks do you think would buy multiple teams? I can see owners foregoing satellites, supers, etc. to buy two main events instead. Is 50-75 an outrageous estimate?

[ October 09, 2009, 07:36 PM: Message edited by: Red Sox Nation ]

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:34 pm

Greg,

You seemed to have glossed over 3 or 4 posts that state the difference between the OLC and the MAIN EVENT is, it's the main event, and it should remain a one day event, and not turn into just another contest. Instead you went right to Red Sox Nation's post about multiple teams, a point very few others seem to have a problem with.

Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:34 pm

Originally posted by Lunatic:

Lets see; Jim Christie is leading Las Vegas 7 and the OA; Jim Christie Las Vegas 11 is 200OA and 9th in league; but in Las Vegas 11 is Ken Magner who is also 2nd OA; Ken is right behind OA Jim Christie; Jim Christie in Las Vegas 11 can do some unique roster moves to prevent Ken gaining some needed points on another League 11 team that would keep Ken from taking over #1 OA. I do know that would never happen, but who knows...where is Gekko when you need him. BINGO...also another scenario where by one owner could be in the lead OA, and have a 2nd team much farther back in the OA standings. Now this owner could being very close in a category such as saves going into the last week. Now, he could decide to change his lineup on the lower ranked team (but with 1 more save) to allow the other team to catch him in saves.

Yes, I realize two things:

1) I am talking about ONE overall point (but isnt that all it takes to win).

2) This could occur in online leagues as well (but I am not looking to decrease the number of leagues/revenue there after a banner year).

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:35 pm

Greg:

I'll try to answer the Online/Main Event question, but the answer is as simple as Luny worded it earlier.

But first. I did have a good run in the Online. I attribute that DIRECTLY to having a stronger feel for what players were taken in the events I atended live the one or two weeks earlier. In addition, it was closer to the season and individual team situations were that much closer to being resolved.

I think a $350 Online Championship is OK to spread out over the final week because it is a SUPPLEMENT. It is a side game, simliar to an Auction or Super League. The MAIN EVENT is viewed much different in my eyes. It IS the one event you hold EVERY year, for EVERY sport that I feel I MUST take part within. The other leagues are secondary ........ always have been.

Walking into Draft Room for the Main is special, always has been. No other contest: Super, Ultimate, Auction, or Online Draft compares. The two day split doesn't ADD to this ( in my mind ) it takes away.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned or set in my ways, but I never compared taking part in the ONLINE over several days to the feeling one has in taking part in the MAIN EVENT. It should be special, fragmenting this takes away.

I hope that helps explain my position. You know you are going to get my dollars either way. But the MAIN EVENT spread out over two days doesn't feel the same.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:35 pm

Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

Greg, could you possibly shed some light on the # of unique owners there were in the Online game?

As we believe there were 390 unique players in the Main Event, it would be interesting to see the differences.

Also, as you were running Online leagues midweek and weekends, you allowed for multiple owners. If online leagues were all drafted at the same time, similar to Main, you prevent that same issue. I don't have that information on me Mike, but I would say we had 400+ uniques out of 600 for sure. Does anyone think we'd get 100 owners to do both?? And if we did, would having 510 owners and an additional $80,000 in the overall prize pool be a bad thing?

I'm just asking because so many people are worried about multiple team owners when we're not expecting that.

Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:38 pm

Look at the passion this change has brought on both sides of the issue. Yankee fans posting during an ALDS game, people sitting on the message board in the offseason.

This is what makes the NFBC great

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:39 pm

Originally posted by Lunatic:

Lets see; Jim Christie is leading Las Vegas 7 and the OA; Jim Christie Las Vegas 11 is 200OA and 9th in league; but in Las Vegas 11 is Ken Magner who is also 2nd OA; Ken is right behind OA Jim Christie; Jim Christie in Las Vegas 11 can do some unique roster moves to prevent Ken gaining some needed points on another League 11 team that would keep Ken from taking over #1 OA. I do know that would never happen, but who knows...where is Gekko when you need him. Only a remote possibility to affect overall standings, but a legit point Jim. Question is, would this be a big enough problem that we as players would want to have a smaller prize pool? Personally I'd rather have more players and a bigger prize, but I know some would probably rather have a smaller number of entrants, regardless.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:39 pm

Originally posted by Lunatic:

Lets see; Jim Christie is leading Las Vegas 7 and the OA; Jim Christie Las Vegas 11 is 200OA and 9th in league; but in Las Vegas 11 is Ken Magner who is also 2nd OA; Ken is right behind OA Jim Christie; Jim Christie in Las Vegas 11 can do some unique roster moves to prevent Ken gaining some needed points on another League 11 team that would keep Ken from taking over #1 OA. I do know that would never happen, but who knows...where is Gekko when you need him. Jim, we had friends who were battling for big prize money with multiple teams in the Online Championship and I didn't see a post like this. I guess if we all want to make up scenarios in any situation anything is possible.

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:42 pm

Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

Look at the passion this change has brought on both sides of the issue. Yankee fans posting during an ALDS game, people sitting on the message board in the offseason.

This is what makes the NFBC great haha. Good one Mike. this is a great game. I should just let KEN speak on my behalf. Our views are identical on this.

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:42 pm

Hell, make it 465 participants or more; the more the better the payout, nothing wrong with that; just keep tt the MAIN EVENT; Ken said it, nothing like walking in to that ballroom in the Flamingo, or the Stardust, or any damn hotel; the atmosphere is just electric.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:43 pm

Originally posted by huskyfan88:

Whatever happens, happens. These are just going to be Fanball leagues now. Now this helps the conversation. Thanks.

Captain Crunch · Post by **Captain Crunch** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:43 pm

Originally posted by Captain Crunch:

So the main event is just becoming the live version of the olc. Why not have two distinct formats? Big Fanbucks fine to me for quoting my own post :-þ but maybe I shoulda made this bigger

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:43 pm

Funny, my CDM boys hit on a nugget that I can actually lend some direct insight towards.

I played three Online Teams. I battled LINDY to the wire, best team won.

I studied my other two teams and admittedly looked for ways in which I could HELP my lead team. Am I wrong for this? Hell, I didn't think so. In the end, I couldn't apply this tactic but if it was there for me - I'd have been a FOOL to not explore the possibility.

Can it happen - Oh yes - it sure can. Perfectly legal as far as I can tell.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:43 pm

The good thing about all this is I haven't spent a dime speaking my mind. The real vote will be with dollars. For now mine are still in the bank.