2010 NFBC Draft Dates and Locations Revealed

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:43 pm

unless i'm mistaken, when you're at a LIVE draft table, you're drafting to win your league. if you're lucky enough to "pull a lindy", more power to you. if you think you have an advantage drafting later, then what's the problem?

bill

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:45 pm

I am sure friends battling for the OA would not do it; I was just using me and Ken as an example of 2 people; not in a literal sense. I really mean 2 people who don't know each other...

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:46 pm

Yes, me scenario is unlikely;

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:47 pm

Jim:

Great post, but unrealistic. Jim Christie will NOT be in front of a Ken Magner team.

[ October 09, 2009, 07:47 PM: Message edited by: Sack ]

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:48 pm

Originally posted by Sack:

Jim:

Great post, but unrealistic. Jim Christie will NOT It was my Lindy moment Ken, don't ruin it

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:48 pm

Originally posted by RichV:

Greg,

You seemed to have glossed over 3 or 4 posts that state the difference between the OLC and the MAIN EVENT is, it's the main event, and it should remain a one day event, and not turn into just another contest. Instead you went right to Red Sox Nation's post about multiple teams, a point very few others seem to have a problem with. Rich, I didn't gloss over this. I'm asking YOU why there is such a difference in opinion on this. I most DEFINITELY understand the difference between drafting one weekend over the other. I don't have the same understanding of allowing multiple teams over not allowing multiple teams. At the end of the day, you're still competing with league mates on the same day under the same circumstances. And as the OC has proven, there are advantages and disadvantages of drafting early or late but at the end of the day the stats and free agent pickups were still similar and critical.

There's always a chance of a major injury during the interim of draft dates, but that was in the OC as well.

I understand this is the MAIN EVENT. I'm working with everyone to understand the severity of this a) multiple team discussion and b) different draft date discussion.

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:49 pm

I can see it now, 3/20 at the Flamingo, 3 leagues drafting in the Main Event....

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:50 pm

Originally posted by Lunatic:

Hell, make it 465 participants or more; the more the better the payout, nothing wrong with that; just keep tt the MAIN EVENT; Ken said it, nothing like walking in to that ballroom in the Flamingo, or the Stardust, or any damn hotel; the atmosphere is just electric. I agree with you and Ken that the main event is special, and I don't know if I'll like it spread over 2 weekends. But I have no problem seeing how it goes this season and giving feedback after I actually experience it. Maybe it could be even better.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:55 pm

Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

quote:Greg - How many folks do you think would buy multiple teams? I can see owners foregoing satellites, supers, etc. to buy two main events instead. Is 50-75 an outrageous estimate? [/QUOTE]I don't think anyone knows. Why not find out?

You know, I thought when we added the satellite leagues we'd lose out on some of the main events. I thought the same when we added the Ultimate League. Or the Super League. Or the Online Championship. Each time we've found that the appetite of the NFBC owner was stronger than we expected.

And football has proven the same between the WCOFF, NFFC and other contests.

I see some folks looking for the scapegoat in this discussion when really I was hoping for a discussion on how to continue growing the main events, the auction leagues, etc. If I saw the obvious flaw, I'd jump off board. But if most folks draft the second weekend then we have the same live event feel, the same reunion if you will, the same tough competition and some folks who want two teams will take the disadvantages of having folks maybe know their draft strategies and other owners who couldn't make the last weekend still part of the NFBC main event. Help me see the big downside.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:55 pm

Originally posted by Lunatic:

I can see it now, 3/20 at the Flamingo, 3 leagues drafting in the Main Event....

might look like a Chicago draft..

huskyfan88 · Post by **huskyfan88** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:56 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by huskyfan88:

Whatever happens, happens. These are just going to be Fanball leagues now. Now this helps the conversation. Thanks. [/QUOTE]They did pay big bucks for this, did they not? Don't tell me they aren't going to call the shots. i.e. maximize their return on investment.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:57 pm

twins 2..yanks 1

Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:58 pm

Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

quote:Originally posted by Lunatic:

I can see it now, 3/20 at the Flamingo, 3 leagues drafting in the Main Event....

might look like a Chicago draft..

[/QUOTE]or twice the size of Orlando

viper · Post by **viper** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:58 pm

Lots of reading while I watch the playoffs.

I haven't done the main event for a couple of years as the cost to travel and play just is a bit too much especially where the primary reason is the possibility of an overall high finish. On a league by league basis, the satellite leagues have a much better payoff. Given that fact you must be one of the absolute top teams to make the main event a financially sound decision, the possibility of a major injury to a top level player would make drafting early a very poor decision.

My guess is that most will decide to play in the latest possible date. This may cause a problem as even New york may only have 1 or 2 full leagues that first weekend. More likely there will be lots of partial league requiring phone drafts. The atmosphere of the NFBC was one of the nicest things when I attended and that will be lost for those who chose to draft that first weekend.

For me personally, I would never chose to draft in that early weekend for fear of a late breaking injury or any late breaking roster decisions. And because I have three local auction leagues drafting on the weekend before the season, I am now totally limited to satellite leagues. But as I said, I have pretty much become a satellite person.

Final point is I sure hope the technology to get all the rosters properly entered in a real tight time frame does not have any glitches.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:59 pm

Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

Look at the passion this change has brought on both sides of the issue. Yankee fans posting during an ALDS game, people sitting on the message board in the offseason.

This is what makes the NFBC great That's because this is OUR CONTEST together. I understand that. I feel the passion. I'm part of the passion, just in case folks like Walla Walla didn't already understand that.

Some folks say that they knew allowing multiple teams for the Online Championship was good for business and helped us grow. Again, why isn't that good for the main event and the NFBC Auction Championship?? Why was it okay for Kenny to have three teams in the Top 20 of the Online Championship for much of this season, but if Shawn has two teams in the Top 20 of the main event that's unfair?? Help me understand that.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:01 pm

Originally posted by Lunatic:

Hell, make it 465 participants or more; the more the better the payout, nothing wrong with that; just keep tt the MAIN EVENT; Ken said it, nothing like walking in to that ballroom in the Flamingo, or the Stardust, or any damn hotel; the atmosphere is just electric. But why does everyone think that won't happen on the 27th?? In Las Vegas?? In New York??

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:01 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by RichV:

Greg,

You seemed to have glossed over 3 or 4 posts that state the difference between the OLC and the MAIN EVENT is, it's the main event, and it should remain a one day event, and not turn into just another contest. Instead you went right to Red Sox Nation's post about multiple teams, a point very few others seem to have a problem with. Rich, I didn't gloss over this. I'm asking YOU why there is such a difference in opinion on this. I most DEFINITELY understand the difference between drafting one weekend over the other. I don't have the same understanding of allowing multiple teams over not allowing multiple teams. At the end of the day, you're still competing with league mates on the same day under the same circumstances. And as the OC has proven, there are advantages and disadvantages of drafting early or late but at the end of the day the stats and free agent pickups were still similar and critical.

There's always a chance of a major injury during the interim of draft dates, but that was in the OC as well.

I understand this is the MAIN EVENT. I'm working with everyone to understand the severity of this a) multiple team discussion and b) different draft date discussion. [/QUOTE]Fair enough. Somewhere earlier today I said I didn't have a problem with multiple teams, hell, there's partnerships, syndicates, etc. where people have their hands in more than one team now. I don't see the big issue if some of those people actually get to sit at the draft table for 2 main event drafts. So multiple teams isn't my gripe. Let's just say I'm a fan of the main event being special and should remain a one day event.

Captain Crunch · Post by **Captain Crunch** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:03 pm

Ok so quoting myself didn't work, I'll just repeat: the main event has been distinct in that the pool was created at one time, the olc was different. If the main event is changed to multiple dates, it becomes the live version of the olc ... and it loses it's appeal for me. I want the two separate formats. I want a contest where everyone drafts at the same time.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:06 pm

greg - with such a drastic change, i gotta ask, why wasn't this floated on the NFBC MB BEFORE a decision was made? you could have received feedback from your people!

i don't care as much as most of the people on here, but clearly this was a drastic change.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:11 pm

Originally posted by huskyfan88:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by huskyfan88:

Whatever happens, happens. These are just going to be Fanball leagues now. Now this helps the conversation. Thanks. [/QUOTE]They did pay big bucks for this, did they not? Don't tell me they aren't going to call the shots. i.e. maximize their return on investment. [/QUOTE]So that's your contribution to the discussion? That they paid for the NFBC and helped create a plan that could help us grow the live events? And a plan you don't like, so it's just Fanball being Fanball, right? Good. Thanks for that.

Honestly, folks have no idea how much we've worked in the background together to make this high-stakes game more successful. Do you think that if we were so successful F+W Media would have sold us?? Guys, I've done so many things for the players over the years that we were sold for a reason.

Fanball and Liberty Media see a bright, bright future and they are TOTALLY behind us. I don't know if all of our plans will come to fruition, but we really have had some great meetings with potential new partners. It's damn exciting, it really is. YOu have no idea what the situation was like one year ago at this time and how hard I had to fight for certain things in the NFBC. Sometimes you need to take some chances to see if they work.

Blame me for any dumb new decisions going forward, okay? I'm still the fall guy here.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:13 pm

Originally posted by Lunatic:

I can see it now, 3/20 at the Flamingo, 3 leagues drafting in the Main Event....

Again, if that happens then we'll have 9-11 leagues on 3/27 at the ??? Those drafting that weekend chose that weekend for a reason, right? Either they are drafting twice or they couldn't make it on the 27th, right? So who is harmed knowing five months in advance which weekend will be the most popular?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:13 pm

Overall picture. This helps the NFBC grow. There are a lot of personal preferences on this thread. I can certainly live with the past, I can live with the proposed future. I am for the overall contest to continue now and into the future. I could be wrong, but I think there was 0, zero, nada more teams this year over last. No growth.

If multiple entries helps with the overall picture and if multiple weekends helps with the overall picture, I am all for it.

It's a year, if it doesen't work out, I trust in Greg to do the right thing next year.

Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:14 pm

Greg: you deserve a break the rest of the night. Hope you have gotten a few Coronas at least

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:17 pm

My wife is excited about returning to Vegas in 2010...

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:17 pm

damn, greg..you sound like me years ago..trying to do the best for everybody concerned and all you get is rebellion from the minority.

keep going, it'll all work out.

bill