2010 NFBC Draft Dates and Locations Revealed

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:19 pm

Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

damn, greg..you sound like me years ago..trying to do the best for everybody concerned and all you get is rebellion from the minority.

keep going, it'll all work out.

bill Interesting, how did you come up with who the minority is?

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:20 pm

Originally posted by Lunatic:

Lets see; Jim Christie is leading Las Vegas 7 and the OA; Jim Christie Las Vegas 11 is 200OA and 9th in league; but in Las Vegas 11 is Ken Magner who is also 2nd OA; Ken is right behind OA Jim Christie; Jim Christie in Las Vegas 11 can do some unique roster moves to prevent Ken gaining some needed points on another League 11 team that would keep Ken from taking over #1 OA. I do know that would never happen, but who knows...where is Gekko when you need him. as long as a team is trying to improve their standing, that's all fair in the game.

if a team pulled a "fandango" (dump his starters to have another team do better without concern for his own team doing better), i have a problem with that. even with that said, i had the "classic" fandango case happen to me and there was ABSOLUTELY NO REMEDY FOR ME. hopefully fandango gets the boot though.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:21 pm

Greg, apologies if you already answered these questions. I pooped out after about page 8.

1. If Doughy is right and you get 500 teams (even hypothetically), will there be a corresponding rise in the league or overall payout?

2. Location is a big deal to me. I am not too jazzed about planning an extra hour on draft morning for a bus ride to Mandalay Bay. I love Flamingo for its location and of course the first week isn't the best option in terms of competitive advantage. Anyway, when can we expect an announcement about the week two location?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:21 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Overall picture. This helps the NFBC grow. There are a lot of personal preferences on this thread. I can certainly live with the past, I can live with the proposed future. I am for the overall contest to continue now and into the future. I could be wrong, but I think there was 0, zero, nada more teams this year over last. No growth.

If multiple entries helps with the overall picture and if multiple weekends helps with the overall picture, I am all for it.

It's a year, if it doesen't work out, I trust in Greg to do the right thing next year. Correct, we had 375 teams in 2007, 390 in 2008 and 390 in 2009. We've had growth in other areas of the NFBC, but the main event has gone from 300 in 2005 to 390 in five years. We can do better.

The more obvious complaint suddenly has been that the main event "feel" will be ruined by this decision. Earlier it was about multiple teams. So the discussion has been good and helpful.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:24 pm

Originally posted by Lunatic:

My wife is excited about returning to Vegas in 2010... Were you there for 12 days last year?

Oaktown · Post by **Oaktown** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:24 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Overall picture. This helps the NFBC grow. There are a lot of personal preferences on this thread. I can certainly live with the past, I can live with the proposed future. I am for the overall contest to continue now and into the future. I could be wrong, but I think there was 0, zero, nada more teams this year over last. No growth.

If multiple entries helps with the overall picture and if multiple weekends helps with the overall picture, I am all for it.

It's a year, if it doesen't work out, I trust in Greg to do the right thing next year. No growth, but also no loss of number of teams....in the worst economy in the US in how long? For high $$ fantasy baseball? Man, staying at 390 was a huge shock to me and I thought an excellent indication on how good this game is. I wouldn't consider same number of teams for a $1300 event in this economy to be no growth....An absolutely amazing result in you ask me.

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:25 pm

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Lunatic:

My wife is excited about returning to Vegas in 2010... Were you there for 12 days last year? [/QUOTE]No, just 10

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:29 pm

luny

i just think people are making a mountain out of a molehill.. that's all

bill

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:30 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

Greg, apologies if you already answered these questions. I pooped out after about page 8.

1. If Doughy is right and you get 500 teams (even hypothetically), will there be a corresponding rise in the league or overall payout?

2. Location is a big deal to me. I am not too jazzed about planning an extra hour on draft morning for a bus ride to Mandalay Bay. I love Flamingo for its location and of course the first week isn't the best option in terms of competitive advantage. Anyway, when can we expect an announcement about the week two location? 1. OF COURSE. Same percentage increase.

2. We're on the Strip. It's all good there, trust me.

Heck, for everyone who tells me to leave the Flamingo there's another guy who says the price is right. So we're giving you the best of both worlds!!

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:30 pm

Or can you give a hint about general location or side of the street?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:31 pm

Originally posted by Lunatic:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Lunatic:

My wife is excited about returning to Vegas in 2010... Were you there for 12 days last year? [/QUOTE]No, just 10 [/QUOTE]I think I saw you for at least 9 of them!!!

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:31 pm

A-ROD

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:32 pm

Didn't see your post before I wrote. It sounds good.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:34 pm

Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

Greg: you deserve a break the rest of the night. Hope you have gotten a few Coronas at least Haven't eaten yet, had a drink or seen any of the baseball game. This hasn't been a fun night and my family is not happy yet. Tomorrow is a new day.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:36 pm

greg

if you need any help making any family decisions tonight,,,we're here for you..

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:37 pm

Greg - why do all of the main event drafts on Saturday need to start at the same time?

why not start them all at 10am local time? then you could have a second Saturday main event beginning at 4 or 5 pm.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:46 pm

Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

greg

if you need any help making any family decisions tonight,,,we're here for you..

Good. Chip in and buy my wife flowers. I'm in the doghouse right now!!!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:49 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

Greg - why do all of the main event drafts on Saturday need to start at the same time?

why not start them all at 10am local time? then you could have a second Saturday main event beginning at 4 or 5 pm. That's really not our plan, to expand that way. If we wanted multiple main events on the same weekend, we'd host them on Friday and Saturday. But we want to build the main event and build the auction championship. Not only that, but next Monday we'll announce our plans for the Online Championship, which has a very interesting new twist. Stay tuned for that one.

Don't get mad at us, but you can have multiple teams in the OC again. And you can win a lot more money there, too.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:54 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Don't get mad at us, but you can have multiple teams this is one topic, you aren't fighting me on!

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:57 pm

greg

don't know if you saw it earlier..but Vander and I are in the Chicago auction irregardless of decisions, dates, rules,,,etc....this could become a grudge match..

[ October 09, 2009, 09:01 PM: Message edited by: Kentucky Reign ]

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:15 pm

Originally posted by Captain Crunch:

... and wtf does earning a badge to a vip party have to do with anything? I'd be looking forward to meeting people that I've competed against for years - who cares about the schmoozers. What a ridiculous interjection. I agree and your first post ever is to announce your VIP party come on- and please leave it to the guy we have all trusted and respected for years to work through some legitimate concerns. After I read those comments I was missing Krause.

Change is tough, but I think we all need to keep an open mind and have faith in Greg/Tom. Times are tough in business and you have to adapt and that is what they are trying to do adapt/improve. This debate is healthy though.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:25 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Crunch:

Whatever other pros and cons there may be ... it's not a level playing field drafting on two weekends. Posted in another thread responding to someone else on this, but this line of thinking is just ridiculous.

The player pool for each league is the same, every risk taken in drafting early has a flipside, which is an opportunity in drafting early.

Not a level playing field, huh ... can someone please describe one instance in which someone drafting late (or early) has some sort of edge that makes the playing field uneven? [/QUOTE]Kevin I usually agree with you arod's injury last year would be the perfect example. You could probably argue the injury was announced closer to opening day than that, but you get the point.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:12 pm

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Crunch:

Whatever other pros and cons there may be ... it's not a level playing field drafting on two weekends. Posted in another thread responding to someone else on this, but this line of thinking is just ridiculous.

The player pool for each league is the same, every risk taken in drafting early has a flipside, which is an opportunity in drafting early.

Not a level playing field, huh ... can someone please describe one instance in which someone drafting late (or early) has some sort of edge that makes the playing field uneven? [/QUOTE]Kevin I usually agree with you arod's injury last year would be the perfect example. You could probably argue the injury was announced closer to opening day than that, but you get the point. [/QUOTE]I get the point that injuries will hurt your team.

But if A-Rod carries the Yanks to the 2nd round of the playoffs, then gets hurt before the next series starts - can the Twins say they belong in the World Series over the Sox or Angels since the playing field wasn't level for their series? Of course not. It's just a bad argument.

MadCow Sez · Post by **MadCow Sez** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:17 pm

I will have faith in GA and the game and have worked a deal with my boss to get clear for the 26-27 Mar weekend if that's the end result.

My wife is happy that I will be home for her birthday instead of OFO in Vegas.....so GA, you got me out of a doghouse as you slipped into one tonight.

I agree with Kenny (Sack) on the feel for the event. The majesty of walking into a room full of fanatics all looking at the big white boards and stickers and digesting the other teams in the leagues during every break is what makes the main event special.

I will miss the opening March Madness games which on 2 of 5 years funded my Vegas trips (love those parley cards). It's a great time to CATCH up with friends that I often don't see but once a year.

So I guess for emotional and not rational reasons, I favor the one day event. The date to me is insignificant...as long as we don't lose the impact.

Liquidhippo · Post by **Liquidhippo** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:30 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

h2h - that is the correct answer.

One team with A-Rod is disadvantaged by "X" and 13 teams are advantaged by "X divided by 13". The odds of being the one unlucky team are proportionately offset by 1/13 for each team that didn't have A-Rod. Thus, the league overall is perfectly level with all late draft leagues.

And, there will be instances of the above in reverse. There will be hot rookies and guys that win jobs who will be taken earlier in the late drafts than in the early drafts. It all evens out from the league perspective.

What it comes down to is would you rather a) take on less injury and job certainty risk by drafting late, or b) take on more risk with a greater chance of getting players at value by drafting early. It's really no different than having KDS for draft slots - choice is good, pick your poison. Amen, amen, amen. Great post. Agree 100%