2010 NFBC Draft Dates and Locations Revealed

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:55 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Your posts on the other hand are on the verge of being pompous, arrogant, and elitist. I'm not one that usually throws those terms out there. Dough - You mean the " Ryan Houston's Exclusive VIP Party" pass was a bit much?

I gotta admit, I woulda thought it would say something like the "NFBC Exclusive VIP Party" pass. I can't imagine Greg ever naming it a "Greg Ambrosius's Exclusive VIP Party" pass [/QUOTE]Mark you nailed it on the head there. I wanted to throw up. [/QUOTE]I was under the impression that everyone would have their name on their pass. Maybe I read it wrong. I thought he was showing his pass and what it would look like. [/QUOTE]If that is the case I will be the first to apologize. On a personal note Shawn. You are such a great guy that I like to come to Vegas to spend time with you. I also hate the thought of being in your league well because YOU ARE BETTER than me. I wonder how many guys out there feel the same way. I hope you and your family have a nice offseason. I hope to enjoy a beer with you in a hotel not named the Flamingo n 2010

Dak · Post by **Dak** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:56 am

We all know this is Greg/Tom's baby....Houston, you can stay out of this! Your insight falls on deaf ears.

Paul Charchian (sp) where are you!? You created a monster!!!!

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:01 am

I would also like to add one more thing.....

I think the backlash on the VIP post by Ryan is getting blown a little out of proportion....

Granted, very poor timing and not the appropriate forum, but honestly so what?

I happen to think this "Event" can use more "Event" type festivities.

I see that Ryan has created a bad first impression on a lot of you with this thread, so I just feel the need to interject.

I met Ryan in person during the NFFC doubleheader and he joined many of us in conversation between the two drafts.

He seemed like a nice guy who was extremely into Fantasy sports and seemed really excited about the NFBC/NFFC.

I certainly don't agree with all his ideas, but I truly believe his intentions are in the right place.

About him seeming condescending, I didn't get that impression at all when I met him. Remember, sometimes the tone of a message can be misinterpreted when it comes in written form. I know this first hand.... :rolleyes: .

Honestly, he seemed like one of us. He's a Fantasy player, just one who runs the show.

I only met him the one time, but I felt the need to say his first impression on me was a good one.

Glenn

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:08 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

I was under the impression that everyone would have their name on their pass. Maybe I read it wrong. I thought he was showing his pass and what it would look like. I don't see how it could be meant any other way...

This is what it said:

Ryan Houston's Exclusive VIP Party

10:00pm Saturday night

A party is a great idea, however the timing of the announcement was terrible. The presentation "Ryan Houston's Exclusive VIP Party" was just as bad IMO. Sorry Ryan.

[ October 10, 2009, 10:09 AM: Message edited by: Gekko ]

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:19 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Your posts on the other hand are on the verge of being pompous, arrogant, and elitist. I'm not one that usually throws those terms out there. Dough - You mean the " Ryan Houston's Exclusive VIP Party" pass was a bit much?

I gotta admit, I woulda thought it would say something like the "NFBC Exclusive VIP Party" pass. I can't imagine Greg ever naming it a "Greg Ambrosius's Exclusive VIP Party" pass [/QUOTE]Mark you nailed it on the head there. I wanted to throw up. [/QUOTE]I was under the impression that everyone would have their name on their pass. Maybe I read it wrong. I thought he was showing his pass and what it would look like. [/QUOTE]If that is the case I will be the first to apologize. On a personal note Shawn. You are such a great guy that I like to come to Vegas to spend time with you. I also hate the thought of being in your league well because YOU ARE BETTER than me. I wonder how many guys out there feel the same way. I hope you and your family have a nice offseason. I hope to enjoy a beer with you in a hotel not named the Flamingo n 2010 [/QUOTE]I hope you make it to Vegas. I think it is the best place to draft. I'm easy to find.

I know the draws are tough because many players would rather see someone not in their league. But for every name in a league, there is another sharp player flying under the radar. It doesn't take much to get tripped up in the draft. If one or two players have the same thought process, it pulls players away from each other and hurts their chances of success.

Sometimes it's better to have more experience players in your draft. The draft might flow truer. No matter who is in your draft, they can only take one player at a time. I know many times other owners have taken players I liked and saved me from a player who has a bad season. Josh Hamilton comes to mind this season. If he is there for me at pick 11, my team is no where to be found this year. I take Ryan Howard and I'm saved from a major pitfall.

The one guy I don't ever want to see in my league again is Rey Diaz. I think he is very good player, but he's caught me 4 times in Vegas. I believe he drafted the other two years in Florida.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:22 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

I know the draws are tough because many players would rather see someone not in their league. But for every name in a league, there is another sharp player flying under the radar. It doesn't take much to get tripped up in the draft. If one or two players have the same thought process, it pulls players away from each other and hurts their chances of success.

Sometimes it's better to have more experience players in your draft. The draft might flow truer. No matter who is in your draft, they can only take one player at a time. I know many times other owners have taken players I liked and saved me from a player who has a bad season. Josh Hamilton comes to mind this season. If he is there for me at pick 11, my team is no where to be found this year. I take Ryan Howard and I'm saved from a major pitfall.

The one guy I don't ever want to see in my league again is Rey Diaz. I think he is very good player, but he's caught me 4 times in Vegas. I believe he drafted the other two years in Florida. Said the spider to the fly...

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:35 am

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

I would also like to add one more thing.....

I think the backlash on the VIP post by Ryan is getting blown a little out of proportion....

Granted, very poor timing and not the appropriate forum, but honestly so what?

I happen to think this "Event" can use more "Event" type festivities.

I see that Ryan has created a bad first impression on a lot of you with this thread, so I just feel the need to interject.

I met Ryan in person during the NFFC doubleheader and he joined many of us in conversation between the two drafts.

He seemed like a nice guy who was extremely into Fantasy sports and seemed really excited about the NFBC/NFFC.

I certainly don't agree with all his ideas, but I truly believe his intentions are in the right place.

About him seeming condescending, I didn't get that impression at all when I met him. Remember, sometimes the tone of a message can be misinterpreted when it comes in written form. I know this first hand.... :rolleyes: .

Honestly, he seemed like one of us. He's a Fantasy player, just one who runs the show.

I only met him the one time, but I felt the need to say his first impression on me was a good one.

Glenn I think most hope that is the case. The key is most are just saying it is a bad first impression. Bad first impressions do not hurt revenue/growth. Thanks for your perspective- it helps in giving the benefit of the doubt.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:21 am

Whew, you mean you guys have now decided to whip Ryan instead of me?? Thanks.

Seriously, all Ryan was doing was showing everyone that we have a lot of things in store for the events that we haven't had in past years. Do you think we're hosting the Ultimate Draft Leagues in the same boardroom again? No. Are we having the same chips and dip? No. Will we possibly have an NCAA Viewing Party on Thursday of that first weekend? We're looking into it. Will there be more announcements about making this more of an EVENT rather than just a DRAFT? Hopefully.

You guys on the NFFC boards have ripped me this year Gfor chips and dip so much and carried that to other boards that you seem to forget which draft is the most organized and quickest around. So now Ryan has taken these comments to heart and is planning better festivities, better food, better locations, and even a VIP party for our best customers. We're trying to do this bigger and better and if Ryan is coming across too aggressively it's because his passion for the event side of it is equal to my passion on the game side of it.

Give him a break and a second chance. He's played in the NFBC and NFFC the last several years and left with the impression that this is the best contest around with the best players in the industry. But he always felt I was a cheapskate on the Events side of it!!

And he was right. But he knows why I was cheap after negotiating with our management team at the old place!!!

Let's move on to the debate of the events, okay? Ryan has heard you loud and clear, but he's still working hard to make this the best EVENT in the industry. STay tuned.

MadCow Sez · Post by **MadCow Sez** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:25 am

Staying tuned GA.

Appreciate y'all be willing to take on the backlash of a pretty radical shift in direction.

Looking forward to seeing if my "Igor the MadCow's VIP Party Pass" will score major chick action.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:27 am

Originally posted by MadCow Sez:

Looking forward to seeing if my "Igor the MadCow's VIP Party Pass" will score major chick action.

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:30 am

I agree that we should be giving Greg the benefit of the doubt in this whole situation, and if he thinks that this is what is best for the competition, then who am I to argue. After a couple of weeks, once all of the dust settles and all of their announcements are made, I'm sure that a workable solution to these disagreements will be found.

As much as I am completely against the split weekend idea, I do understand the thinking behind it. For people that have prior commitments and can't make it the 2nd weekend, it still gives them a chance to compete in THE event of the Fantasy Baseball Season.

In just trying to grow the event this way, although I would rather everyone draft the same weekend, I can understand and accept this. It's the allowing owners to own more than one team in the competition that just doesn't sit right with me. Granted, it would greatly increase signups and the overall prize pool, but I'm of the belief that the pretige of this event is that you get ONE shot at it. For everyone I know that plays in this event, this is the ONE team that they care most about, pay the most attention to and that they live and die with more than any other team. I truly believe that allowing owners to have more than one team in this event definitely takes away from that.

I do like a lot of what I'm hearing about the direction that the NFBC is headed. I think that the Auction Championship seems like an amazing idea, one that hopefully I will be taking part in this year. Additionally, the Diamond League also seems like a wonderful addition to the other events that are currently offered. These types of events, as well as expansion in the Online Championship are terrific ways to grow the NFBC without compromising the splendor and complete awesomeness that is the Main Event.

I will be back to take part regardless of how these issues end up being resolved, but I am definitely of the camp that would be much happier if the Main Event stays as one team for every owner. Thanks again Greg, and keep up the good work, we all appreciate it dearly!

Timcards · Post by **Timcards** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:30 am

"So now Ryan has taken these comments to heart and is planning better festivities, better food, better locations, and even a VIP party for our best customers."

Every customer is your best customer. Surely you haven't forgot that already?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:36 am

Originally posted by Timcards:

"So now Ryan has taken these comments to heart and is planning better festivities, better food, better locations, and even a VIP party for our best customers."

Every customer is your best customer. Surely you haven't forgot that already? Someone please tell me how we can win in any of this? I mean seriously, if you try to help ANYONE in this event there's a complaint. I seriously wonder sometimes.

If it's chips and dip people bitch. If there's better festivities for everyone there's a bitch. Either we give up trying to take this to the next level, including TV with national sponsors one day, or we move on despite the bitches. Fortunately I've been told we're moving on despite the complaints. Thank goodness for that. Sheesh.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:40 am

greg - enjoy one today!!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:43 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

I agree that we should be giving Greg the benefit of the doubt in this whole situation, and if he thinks that this is what is best for the competition, then who am I to argue. After a couple of weeks, once all of the dust settles and all of their announcements are made, I'm sure that a workable solution to these disagreements will be found.

As much as I am completely against the split weekend idea, I do understand the thinking behind it. For people that have prior commitments and can't make it the 2nd weekend, it still gives them a chance to compete in THE event of the Fantasy Baseball Season.

In just trying to grow the event this way, although I would rather everyone draft the same weekend, I can understand and accept this. It's the allowing owners to own more than one team in the competition that just doesn't sit right with me. Granted, it would greatly increase signups and the overall prize pool, but I'm of the belief that the pretige of this event is that you get ONE shot at it. For everyone I know that plays in this event, this is the ONE team that they care most about, pay the most attention to and that they live and die with more than any other team. I truly believe that allowing owners to have more than one team in this event definitely takes away from that.

I do like a lot of what I'm hearing about the direction that the NFBC is headed. I think that the Auction Championship seems like an amazing idea, one that hopefully I will be taking part in this year. Additionally, the Diamond League also seems like a wonderful addition to the other events that are currently offered. These types of events, as well as expansion in the Online Championship are terrific ways to grow the NFBC without compromising the splendor and complete awesomeness that is the Main Event.

I will be back to take part regardless of how these issues end up being resolved, but I am definitely of the camp that would be much happier if the Main Event stays as one team for every owner. Thanks again Greg, and keep up the good work, we all appreciate it dearly! I appreciate this well-thought out post. You understand what we are trying to do and you understand that growing these other national contests might take more than one weekend to accomplish. And folks don't seem to mind owners having multiple teams in the online championship or the auction championship. So we're making progress.

When it comes to the two weekend format of the main event, obviously the majority of people want to draft simultaneously on Saturday, March 27th. Nothing has changed there. Everyone will be on the same page at that time if they choose to draft then, right? And those folks who decide to draft on March 20th are doing so willingly knowing the advantages and disadvantages they have, right?

So for those folks who can only draft on the 20th it's slightly unfair to them, but the alternative is not being able to draft on the 27th at all. So it's their choice on that one and I wish I could help them better.

And for those folks deciding to draft both times, well, obviously that first weekend's draw is going to be MIGHTY TOUGH with a lot of veteran NFBC guys who also are drafting twice, right? So they are taking big risks drafting that early, right?

So the complaint is one owner having two chances at the overall grand prize rather than an advantage of drafting once already, right? If we're on the same page with this, let me know. Thanks again for your input.

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:50 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Timcards:

"So now Ryan has taken these comments to heart and is planning better festivities, better food, better locations, and even a VIP party for our best customers."

Every customer is your best customer. Surely you haven't forgot that already? Someone please tell me how we can win in any of this? I mean seriously, if you try to help ANYONE in this event there's a complaint. I seriously wonder sometimes.

If it's chips and dip people bitch. If there's better festivities for everyone there's a bitch. Either we give up trying to take this to the next level, including TV with national sponsors one day, or we move on despite the bitches. Fortunately I've been told we're moving on despite the complaints. Thank goodness for that. Sheesh. [/QUOTE]You can't. If you respond to people, they'll find something "wrong" in what you said. If you don't respond, you get accused of ignoring them, being snobbish, or 10 other possibilities.

I'm just glad I have a chance to play in national competitions. Do what you think is best for the long term survival of your national competitions.

[ October 10, 2009, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: The Mighty Men ]

la Jolla · Post by **la Jolla** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:50 am

Don't beat yourself up Greg. You're in a tough spot because you're running a business that in order for growth requires change and you will never make everyone happy. I'm really excited by what has leaked thus far and I must say that you are on a level by yourself when it comes to customer service. I jumped into the FFOC this year for a crack at the $1M and I have been floored by the lack of transparency and customer service there. Posts about collusion and cheating go unanswered by management whereas you respond immediately to everything thrown at you here. Keep up the great work!

Captain Crunch · Post by **Captain Crunch** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:57 am

"So the complaint is one owner having two chances at the overall grand prize rather than an advantage of drafting once already, right? If we're on the same page with this, let me know"

Well, you asked

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I've said repeatedly that my problem with the whole thing is that an event that was based on, and marketed as, having a simutaneous draft to create the pool is having that feature changed. If the main event is going to have drafts done at different times then it becomes very similar to the olc. I want an event like the olc that is run the way it is. I also want an event where everyone drafts at the same time.

If you change the main event to multiple draft days, I won't be participating in it. However, I certainly will continue to participate in other nfbc events/satellites as everything has been very well run.

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:00 am

So the complaint is one owner having two chances at the overall grand prize rather than an advantage of drafting once already, right? If we're on the same page with this, let me know. Thanks again for your input.

Yes, my only complaint is owners who have the money and are able to draft both weekends having 2 shots at winning the most prestigious event in the industry, when I think everyone should only have the ONE shot. I'm not as concerned with them having an advantage by drafting both, its moreso that I think everyone should only have one shot at it.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:09 am

The Mighty Men

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Originally posted by Walla Walla:

I'll be pulling out. I'm sad to see Greg let the other contest make the date. One weekend with the best players in the land was a great thing. Now

many of those players will never draft together again. This really SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**** YOU FANBALL!!!!!

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This is for real this time, right? No more false bluffs out of you?

Yep! No VIP guest for me. I stuck it out while

the contest was Greg's. I don't think it is anymore. Time for me to move on. Not like anyone will miss me.

Timcards · Post by **Timcards** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:12 am

Greg, wow, you were right, you are thin-skinned. I didn't mean any harm in my post, I'm just trying to say that if you want to hold separate events for your best PAYING customers you risk becoming labeled an elitist.

I participated in the Main Event in Vegas for the first time this year and loved it. I competed in the Online Championship also and thought that game was just as well run. But I thought the whole point of this thread was to give out our opinions. I don't like multiple weekends but I could live with it. I don't like more than one entry per person for the NFBC and don't think I could live with that. And if there are events such as The Ryan E. Houston VIP Party that not everyone will be invited to, I'll wonder in which direction this is headed.

Liquidhippo · Post by **Liquidhippo** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:27 am

In my humble opinion, I think the opinion expressed here that there's an advantage to drafting later is more perception than reality. They're focusing on one particular effect that creates an advantage(an AROD injury) while ignoring everything else that balances it out. No matter what date you draft on, you draft 20 players, all of whom can get injured. So there's one additional week for news to come out that could effect position battles, etc. OK. With the added knowledge comes an additional price tag if you draft the 2nd weekend, a price you didn't have to pay the previous weekend. Hence the higher price tag wipes out any perceived advantage. You'll have to pay more for that player in an auction or draft that player earlier. So the player who drafted early gets the 'disadvantage' that AROD could get hurt, but what isn't being mentioned is the corresponding benefit to this. If AROD is out for the year, he doesn't get drafted, thus bumping up everyone else's value one slot. So this means that value is created for all the other players drafted, granted it is diffused through 300 players/draft slots, but it's there. Also consider other injuries that create more specific values. An injury could open up an opportunity for a rookie, so the person who drafted the injured player is now at a disadvantage, but the person who drafted his backup now has an advantage because he got the backup at a discount. The advantages and disadvantages balance out. The comments seem to be focusing on one side of the scales and ignoring the other.

Maybe I'm missing something or not thinking it through, but when EVERYTHING is weighed properly, I don't see an advantage drafting one weekend vs. the other, only different preferences.

The only type of exception I can think of at the moment, is maybe if you're a Shawn Childs, or someone of that caliber, you know the game well enough that you can more accurately forecast who is going to win these position battles, thus you'd have an advantage drafting early since you're sharper than the average player and being ahead of the curve, you can take advantage of the values before the market corrects once the news hits. Having said that, since the option is presented of drafting early, or late, or both, we're all on the same playing field. Every single player has the option of drafting on the date that has the perceived advantage, or they can draft on both weekends. It's equal opportunity for everyone.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:31 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Whew, you mean you guys have now decided to whip Ryan instead of me?? Thanks.

Hello Greg,

It's obvious from this post and a few others that you are feeling a bit defensive and bombarded here.

There's one other way I think you should feel....

Very, very proud.

To create a contest that so many feel so strongly about is quite an achievement. Look at the criticisms and reluctance to change as a testiment to how much we love the NFBC, your baby.

I mean how many really cared that the FFOC changed its format this year?

The reason we even bother to comment on the changes to the NFBC is because it has become a part of our lives that we care about and plan around.... and we have you to thank for that.

That said, stop screwing up!!!! J/K....

Glenn

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:32 am

hang in there Greg..everything will turn out OK in the end.

from my perspective, we have MIDNIGHT MADNESS in one week.

bill

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:38 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

quote:So the complaint is one owner having two chances at the overall grand prize rather than an advantage of drafting once already, right? If we're on the same page with this, let me know. Thanks again for your input.

Yes, my only complaint is owners who have the money and are able to draft both weekends having 2 shots at winning the most prestigious event in the industry, when I think everyone should only have the ONE shot. I'm not as concerned with them having an advantage by drafting both, its moreso that I think everyone should only have one shot at it. [/QUOTE]Fair enough. Fair enough. Let's center on this part of the discussion then. I'm all for that.