2010 NFBC Draft Dates and Locations Revealed

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:30 am

If you are a risk taker it seems some top talent will be falling a few rounds in next years draft.Rounds 4 and 5 might still have some huge upside guys.Orrr I might take Matt

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:31 am

Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

Did you start the signup list yet?

Who do have as the fourth ranked catcher? Soto..comeback year [/QUOTE]Do I hear $9? [/QUOTE]i'm all in for $9..

[/QUOTE]I imagine you have been in worst stuff for the investment of $9!

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:36 am

Originally posted by Liquidhippo:

In my humble opinion, I think the opinion expressed here that there's an advantage to drafting later is more perception than reality. They're focusing on one particular effect that creates an advantage(an AROD injury) while ignoring everything else that balances it out. No matter what date you draft on, you draft 20 players, all of whom can get injured. So there's one additional week for news to come out that could effect position battles, etc. OK. With the added knowledge comes an additional price tag if you draft the 2nd weekend, a price you didn't have to pay the previous weekend. Hence the higher price tag wipes out any perceived advantage. You'll have to pay more for that player in an auction or draft that player earlier. So the player who drafted early gets the 'disadvantage' that AROD could get hurt, but what isn't being mentioned is the corresponding benefit to this. If AROD is out for the year, he doesn't get drafted, thus bumping up everyone else's value one slot. So this means that value is created for all the other players drafted, granted it is diffused through 300 players/draft slots, but it's there. Also consider other injuries that create more specific values. An injury could open up an opportunity for a rookie, so the person who drafted the injured player is now at a disadvantage, but the person who drafted his backup now has an advantage because he got the backup at a discount. The advantages and disadvantages balance out. The comments seem to be focusing on one side of the scales and ignoring the other.

Maybe I'm missing something or not thinking it through, but when EVERYTHING is weighed properly, I don't see an advantage drafting one weekend vs. the other, only different preferences.

The only type of exception I can think of at the moment, is maybe if you're a Shawn Childs, or someone of that caliber, you know the game well enough that you can more accurately forecast who is going to win these position battles, thus you'd have an advantage drafting early since you're sharper than the average player and being ahead of the curve, you can take advantage of the values before the market corrects once the news hits. Having said that, since the option is presented of drafting early, or late, or both, we're all on the same playing field. Every single player has the option of drafting on the date that has the perceived advantage, or they can draft on both weekends. It's equal opportunity for everyone. You're a smart guy liquid...how can you keep trying to spin this?

When everyone in the main event drafts on the same day...hell it was the same hour for years...everyone drafts A-rod. Every league drafts A-rod, and then naturally gets screwed when injuries happen (like they always do).

When 1/2 the leagues draft and get screwed by A-rod's injury, and the other half get to avoid that landmine...the teams that drafted A-rod ARE NOT on the same level playing field to begin a main event.

If you do not place a high value on begining the main event on as level a playing field as possible...so be it. I see leagues drafting usually Friday NIGHT and then completing drafts the very next Saturday MORNING, and have little problem with that quick turnaround, as the amount that can change in less than 24 hours is very limited.

You are talking SEVEN DAYS!!! Are you not understanding how much that can and will happen in 7 days??? I'm baffled.

[ October 10, 2009, 01:41 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:36 am

Who do have as the fourth ranked catcher? [/qb][/QUOTE]Soto..comeback year [/qb][/QUOTE]Do I hear $9? [/qb][/QUOTE]i'm all in for $9..

[/qb][/QUOTE]I imagine you have been in worst stuff for the investment of $9! [/QB][/quote]

yathink???

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:38 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by Liquidhippo:

In my humble opinion, I think the opinion expressed here that there's an advantage to drafting later is more perception than reality. They're focusing on one particular effect that creates an advantage(an AROD injury) while ignoring everything else that balances it out. No matter what date you draft on, you draft 20 players, all of whom can get injured. So there's one additional week for news to come out that could effect position battles, etc. OK. With the added knowledge comes an additional price tag if you draft the 2nd weekend, a price you didn't have to pay the previous weekend. Hence the higher price tag wipes out any perceived advantage. You'll have to pay more for that player in an auction or draft that player earlier. So the player who drafted early gets the 'disadvantage' that AROD could get hurt, but what isn't being mentioned is the corresponding benefit to this. If AROD is out for the year, he doesn't get drafted, thus bumping up everyone else's value one slot. So this means that value is created for all the other players drafted, granted it is diffused through 300 players/draft slots, but it's there. Also consider other injuries that create more specific values. An injury could open up an opportunity for a rookie, so the person who drafted the injured player is now at a disadvantage, but the person who drafted his backup now has an advantage because he got the backup at a discount. The advantages and disadvantages balance out. The comments seem to be focusing on one side of the scales and ignoring the other.

Maybe I'm missing something or not thinking it through, but when EVERYTHING is weighed properly, I don't see an advantage drafting one weekend vs. the other, only different preferences.

The only type of exception I can think of at the moment, is maybe if you're a Shawn Childs, or someone of that caliber, you know the game well enough that you can more accurately forecast who is going to win these position battles, thus you'd have an advantage drafting early since you're sharper than the average player and being ahead of the curve, you can take advantage of the values before the market corrects once the news hits. Having said that, since the option is presented of drafting early, or late, or both, we're all on the same playing field. Every single player has the option of drafting on the date that has the perceived advantage, or they can draft on both weekends. It's equal opportunity for everyone. You're a smart guy liquid...how can you keep trying to spin this?

When everyone in the main event drafts on the same day...hell it was the same hour for years...everyone drafts A-rod. Every league drafts A-rod, and then naturally gets screwed when injuries happen (like they always do).

When 1/2 the leagues draft and get screwed by A-rod's injury, and the other half get to avoid that landmine...the teams that drafted A-rod ARE NOT on the same level playing field to begin a main event.

If you do not place a high value on begining the main event on as level a playing field as possible...so be it. I see leagues drafting Friday and then completing draft the very next day, and have little problem with that quick turnaround, as the amount that can change ins 24 hours or less is very limited.

You are talking SEVEN DAYS!!! Are you not understanding how much that can and will happen in 7 days??? I'm baffled. [/QUOTE]i wonder just what has happened in 7 days??

[ October 10, 2009, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: Kentucky Reign ]

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:38 am

The Marlins were still not very high on Coghlan in august.The september may have changed their mind a little.I think they may be looking Bonifacio(god I hope not)at second.I do not think anyone expects Uggla back.Logan Morrison has a chance to win the first base job in the spring.We may not know the Marlins starting infield untill the last week of spring.I keep hearing they are thinking of putting Hanley in the OF.They would end up with an OF of Hanley,Maybin,and Stanton.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:41 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by Liquidhippo:

In my humble opinion, I think the opinion expressed here that there's an advantage to drafting later is more perception than reality. They're focusing on one particular effect that creates an advantage(an AROD injury) while ignoring everything else that balances it out. No matter what date you draft on, you draft 20 players, all of whom can get injured. So there's one additional week for news to come out that could effect position battles, etc. OK. With the added knowledge comes an additional price tag if you draft the 2nd weekend, a price you didn't have to pay the previous weekend. Hence the higher price tag wipes out any perceived advantage. You'll have to pay more for that player in an auction or draft that player earlier. So the player who drafted early gets the 'disadvantage' that AROD could get hurt, but what isn't being mentioned is the corresponding benefit to this. If AROD is out for the year, he doesn't get drafted, thus bumping up everyone else's value one slot. So this means that value is created for all the other players drafted, granted it is diffused through 300 players/draft slots, but it's there. Also consider other injuries that create more specific values. An injury could open up an opportunity for a rookie, so the person who drafted the injured player is now at a disadvantage, but the person who drafted his backup now has an advantage because he got the backup at a discount. The advantages and disadvantages balance out. The comments seem to be focusing on one side of the scales and ignoring the other.

Maybe I'm missing something or not thinking it through, but when EVERYTHING is weighed properly, I don't see an advantage drafting one weekend vs. the other, only different preferences.

The only type of exception I can think of at the moment, is maybe if you're a Shawn Childs, or someone of that caliber, you know the game well enough that you can more accurately forecast who is going to win these position battles, thus you'd have an advantage drafting early since you're sharper than the average player and being ahead of the curve, you can take advantage of the values before the market corrects once the news hits. Having said that, since the option is presented of drafting early, or late, or both, we're all on the same playing field. Every single player has the option of drafting on the date that has the perceived advantage, or they can draft on both weekends. It's equal opportunity for everyone. You're a smart guy liquid...how can you keep trying to spin this?

When everyone in the main event drafts on the same day...hell it was the same hour for years...everyone drafts A-rod. Every league drafts A-rod, and then naturally gets screwed when injuries happen (like they always do).

When 1/2 the leagues draft and get screwed by A-rod's injury, and the other half get to avoid that landmine...the teams that drafted A-rod ARE NOT on the same level playing field to begin a main event.

If you do not place a high value on begining the main event on as level a playing field as possible...so be it. I see leagues drafting Friday and then completing draft the very next day, and have little problem with that quick turnaround, as the amount that can change ins 24 hours or less is very limited.

You are talking SEVEN DAYS!!! Are you not understanding how much that can and will happen in 7 days??? I'm baffled. [/QUOTE]Lance-

Get off the A-Rod arguement. It is your choice to draft the first weekend. If you choice that weekend, you know the risk.

Most players will wait and draft the second weekend. If you have a choice, you can't blame anyone but yourself.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:45 am

Originally posted by DiamondKing:

The Marlins were still not very high on Coghlan in august.The september may have changed their mind a little.I think they may be looking Bonifacio(god I hope not)at second.I do not think anyone expects Uggla back.Logan Morrison has a chance to win the first base job in the spring.We may not know the Marlins starting infield untill the last week of spring.I keep hearing they are thinking of putting Hanley in the OF.They would end up with an OF of Hanley,Maybin,and Stanton. It makes no sense to move Hanley to the Outfield. You have an edge at SS right now. So they want to play some defensive SS with no bat? You can find a 20 homerun hitter for the outfield no problem. You can't replace a 30 homerun SS.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:47 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by Liquidhippo:

In my humble opinion, I think the opinion expressed here that there's an advantage to drafting later is more perception than reality. They're focusing on one particular effect that creates an advantage(an AROD injury) while ignoring everything else that balances it out. No matter what date you draft on, you draft 20 players, all of whom can get injured. So there's one additional week for news to come out that could effect position battles, etc. OK. With the added knowledge comes an additional price tag if you draft the 2nd weekend, a price you didn't have to pay the previous weekend. Hence the higher price tag wipes out any perceived advantage. You'll have to pay more for that player in an auction or draft that player earlier. So the player who drafted early gets the 'disadvantage' that AROD could get hurt, but what isn't being mentioned is the corresponding benefit to this. If AROD is out for the year, he doesn't get drafted, thus bumping up everyone else's value one slot. So this means that value is created for all the other players drafted, granted it is diffused through 300 players/draft slots, but it's there. Also consider other injuries that create more specific values. An injury could open up an opportunity for a rookie, so the person who drafted the injured player is now at a disadvantage, but the person who drafted his backup now has an advantage because he got the backup at a discount. The advantages and disadvantages balance out. The comments seem to be focusing on one side of the scales and ignoring the other.

Maybe I'm missing something or not thinking it through, but when EVERYTHING is weighed properly, I don't see an advantage drafting one weekend vs. the other, only different preferences.

The only type of exception I can think of at the moment, is maybe if you're a Shawn Childs, or someone of that caliber, you know the game well enough that you can more accurately forecast who is going to win these position battles, thus you'd have an advantage drafting early since you're sharper than the average player and being ahead of the curve, you can take advantage of the values before the market corrects once the news hits. Having said that, since the option is presented of drafting early, or late, or both, we're all on the same playing field. Every single player has the option of drafting on the date that has the perceived advantage, or they can draft on both weekends. It's equal opportunity for everyone. You're a smart guy liquid...how can you keep trying to spin this?

When everyone in the main event drafts on the same day...hell it was the same hour for years...everyone drafts A-rod. Every league drafts A-rod, and then naturally gets screwed when injuries happen (like they always do).

When 1/2 the leagues draft and get screwed by A-rod's injury, and the other half get to avoid that landmine...the teams that drafted A-rod ARE NOT on the same level playing field to begin a main event.

If you do not place a high value on begining the main event on as level a playing field as possible...so be it. I see leagues drafting Friday and then completing draft the very next day, and have little problem with that quick turnaround, as the amount that can change ins 24 hours or less is very limited.

You are talking SEVEN DAYS!!! Are you not understanding how much that can and will happen in 7 days??? I'm baffled. [/QUOTE]Lance-

Get off the A-Rod arguement. It is your choice to draft the first weekend. If you choice that weekend, you know the risk.

Most players will wait and draft the second weekend. If you have a choice, you can't blame anyone but yourself. [/QUOTE]Shawn...I'm fine with the drafts going off on two weeks this first year in order to do what they have to do.

It's when they try to spin it as a possible yearly thing that makes me feel they don't respect my intelligence.

I'm also fine with people chosing to draft on one weekend or the other...but please stop trying to spin the A-rod example as still being an even playing field for the main event. It would not be if such an injury took place in those 7 days.

I'm fine with everything...it is what it is...I just don't like it when folks think they can spin bullshit and claim it as logic.

My specific beef was trying to spin THEIR EXAMPLE of A-rod going down for the season as a non-issue.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:48 am

You can return to your thread hijack now, Shawn.

You realise there are other threads for ranking catchers?

[ October 10, 2009, 01:50 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:48 am

I tend to agree he really did improve his D this year.But,the thinking is he is getting too big for the position.

[ October 10, 2009, 01:49 PM: Message edited by: DiamondKing ]

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:50 am

I know it was the wrong forum.But,God it was nice to talk a little baseball

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:53 am

Originally posted by DiamondKing:

I tend to agree he really did improve his D this year.But,the thinking is he is getting too big for the position. You need to stop listening to scouts. Imagine where the game would be if they were still playing the Mark Belanger types at SS.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:56 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

You can return to your thread hijack now, Shawn.

You realise there are other threads for ranking catchers? I think you know my position on all of this. I wasted part of my life in February talking about it. I think you told me I was full of $hit. I don't remember to much about the fall out from the FFPC. After seing their drafts and multiple teams, edge or no edge?

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:56 am

One thing I think is being overlooked here....

If you go through the time, money, & effort to schedule multiple weekends, you pretty much have to allow multiple entries.

Otherwise, what's the point?

Think about it.....How many are going to choose to draft that first weekend unless they're drafting a 2nd team? The two or three players who've already made travel plans?

I think without multiple entries, the NFBC would be lucky to fill one or two leagues that first weekend.

Level playing field or not (not by the way), everyone with a choice is going to choose the later weekend.

Glenn

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:56 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

[QUOTE]I'm fine with everything...it is what it is...I just don't like it when folks think they can spin bullshit and claim it as logic.

My specific beef was trying to spin THEIR EXAMPLE of A-rod going down for the season as a non-issue. Hey Lance, I don't see your logic in all of this B.S. I think I already said we plan on doing both weekends in March each year going forward and making this work. We are going to grow the Online Championship plan we have for multiple weekends this year and each one going forward, we're going to grow the Auction Championship this year and each year going forward and we're going to expand into even higher-stakes games that need two weekends to host everything. We are doing it this year and you can lay your bet with us that we'll do it next year too. Feel free to wager with Ryan if you want on that one.

This is NOT a one-year out. In fact, we'd like to expand to more cities in the future for both weekends if we can prove our plan this year. This is about growing beyond what we already have, not a one-and-done. I'm not sure why you only see the main event example and nothing else. I think some suggestions here will take root and then the rest will make sense. Stay tuned and please continue to offer your opinions without stating points from us that just aren't factual.

And if we fail this year, then you can win your bet with Ryan.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:57 am

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A level playing field is a concept about fairness, not that each player has an equal chance to succeed, but that they all play by the same set of rules.

NFBC plan = level playing field.

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:58 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by DiamondKing:

I tend to agree he really did improve his D this year.But,the thinking is he is getting too big for the position. You need to stop listening to scouts. Imagine where the game would be if they were still playing the Mark Belanger types at SS. [/QUOTE]I am not saying I would do this.I am saying the Marlins have had a mind to do it.But,if you ever stand next to the guy he is massive and gets bigger every year.The reason the Marlins moved Miguel Cabrera from short is early in his career they thought he would be too large for short.I know he had the range of a coffee table.But,Hanley was awfull defc.in the minors also.

Liquidhippo · Post by **Liquidhippo** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:59 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by Liquidhippo:

In my humble opinion, I think the opinion expressed here that there's an advantage to drafting later is more perception than reality. They're focusing on one particular effect that creates an advantage(an AROD injury) while ignoring everything else that balances it out. No matter what date you draft on, you draft 20 players, all of whom can get injured. So there's one additional week for news to come out that could effect position battles, etc. OK. With the added knowledge comes an additional price tag if you draft the 2nd weekend, a price you didn't have to pay the previous weekend. Hence the higher price tag wipes out any perceived advantage. You'll have to pay more for that player in an auction or draft that player earlier. So the player who drafted early gets the 'disadvantage' that AROD could get hurt, but what isn't being mentioned is the corresponding benefit to this. If AROD is out for the year, he doesn't get drafted, thus bumping up everyone else's value one slot. So this means that value is created for all the other players drafted, granted it is diffused through 300 players/draft slots, but it's there. Also consider other injuries that create more specific values. An injury could open up an opportunity for a rookie, so the person who drafted the injured player is now at a disadvantage, but the person who drafted his backup now has an advantage because he got the backup at a discount. The advantages and disadvantages balance out. The comments seem to be focusing on one side of the scales and ignoring the other.

Maybe I'm missing something or not thinking it through, but when EVERYTHING is weighed properly, I don't see an advantage drafting one weekend vs. the other, only different preferences.

The only type of exception I can think of at the moment, is maybe if you're a Shawn Childs, or someone of that caliber, you know the game well enough that you can more accurately forecast who is going to win these position battles, thus you'd have an advantage drafting early since you're sharper than the average player and being ahead of the curve, you can take advantage of the values before the market corrects once the news hits. Having said that, since the option is presented of drafting early, or late, or both, we're all on the same playing field. Every single player has the option of drafting on the date that has the perceived advantage, or they can draft on both weekends. It's equal opportunity for everyone. You're a smart guy liquid...how can you keep trying to spin this?

When everyone in the main event drafts on the same day...hell it was the same hour for years...everyone drafts A-rod. Every league drafts A-rod, and then naturally gets screwed when injuries happen (like they always do).

When 1/2 the leagues draft and get screwed by A-rod's injury, and the other half get to avoid that landmine...the teams that drafted A-rod ARE NOT on the same level playing field to begin a main event.

If you do not place a high value on begining the main event on as level a playing field as possible...so be it. I see leagues drafting usually Friday NIGHT and then completing drafts the very next Saturday MORNING, and have little problem with that quick turnaround, as the amount that can change in less than 24 hours is very limited.

You are talking SEVEN DAYS!!! Are you not understanding how much that can and will happen in 7 days??? I'm baffled. [/QUOTE]Yes, I understand what can happen in 7 days and addressed that in my original post. Again, you're focusing on one side of the scale and not addressing the other side. Those who drafted AROD obviously are at a disadvantage, those who didn't draft AROD have the advantage of getting every other player(on average) at a discount(albeit slight, just one draft slot, but multiply that times 300) when compared to where they'll be drafted the following weekend. Put BOTH on the advantage/disadvantage scale, and I see equal weights on either side. Thus, no net advantage/disadvantage when ALL the effects of the AROD injury are considered for ALL teams. There are additional variables at play drafting a week earlier, thus some may prefer to have those variables in play and draft early, others prefer fewer variables and may draft later, but the variables and how they play out create an equal amount of advantage and disadvantage to those teams drafting early.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:59 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A level playing field is a concept about fairness, not that each player has an equal chance to succeed, but that they all play by the same set of rules.

NFBC plan = level playing field. You have too much time on your hands!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:00 am

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

One thing I think is being overlooked here....

If you go through the time, money, & effort to schedule multiple weekends, you pretty much have to allow multiple entries.

Otherwise, what's the point?

Think about it.....How many are going to choose to draft that first weekend unless they're drafting a 2nd team? The two or three players who've already made travel plans?

I think without multiple entries, the NFBC would be lucky to fill one or two leagues that first weekend.

Level playing field or not (not by the way), everyone with a choice is going to choose the later weekend.

Glenn Again, my point on this scenario for multiple teams is that everyone involved that first weekend would presumably be NFBC veterans who are the best of the best who want two teams. There wouldn't be many first-timers that weekend, right? So wouldn't those be among the hardest leagues in the entire competition??

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:03 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A level playing field is a concept about fairness, not that each player has an equal chance to succeed, but that they all play by the same set of rules.

NFBC plan = level playing field. You have too much time on your hands! [/QUOTE]Sorry, but I hate sloppy conclusions built on not understanding what something means.

Also, Lance doesn't believe anything I say, so I have to find an authority to state my case. Maybe I should go out and find a Glenn Beck quote for him.

[ October 10, 2009, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:05 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:

One thing I think is being overlooked here....

If you go through the time, money, & effort to schedule multiple weekends, you pretty much have to allow multiple entries.

Otherwise, what's the point?

Think about it.....How many are going to choose to draft that first weekend unless they're drafting a 2nd team? The two or three players who've already made travel plans?

I think without multiple entries, the NFBC would be lucky to fill one or two leagues that first weekend.

Level playing field or not (not by the way), everyone with a choice is going to choose the later weekend.

Glenn Again, my point on this scenario for multiple teams is that everyone involved that first weekend would presumably be NFBC veterans who are the best of the best who want two teams. There wouldn't be many first-timers that weekend, right? So wouldn't those be among the hardest leagues in the entire competition?? [/QUOTE]Probably would be very tough leagues.

I just thought that eliminating dual entries was a consideration, one I didn't think fiscally possible with the multiple weekend format. I'm more clear on this now.

I may be one who takes multiple teams, unless I decide to go all in on that diamond thing.....yikes!!!!!

A lot to decide in the next few months and a lot of info still forthcoming I'm sure before those decisions are made. Should be very interesting.....

Glenn

Captain Crunch · Post by **Captain Crunch** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:18 am

Gotta love it when someone quotes an external reference but conveniently leaves off part of the definition. Soooo, let's look at the next part of the article from Wikipedia ...

"A metaphorical playing field is said to be level if no external interference affects the ability of the players to compete fairly."

No trouble here figuring out potential "external interference" ... :-þ

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:24 am

Originally posted by DiamondKing:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by DiamondKing:

I tend to agree he really did improve his D this year.But,the thinking is he is getting too big for the position. You need to stop listening to scouts. Imagine where the game would be if they were still playing the Mark Belanger types at SS. [/QUOTE]I am not saying I would do this.I am saying the Marlins have had a mind to do it.But,if you ever stand next to the guy he is massive and gets bigger every year.The reason the Marlins moved Miguel Cabrera from short is early in his career they thought he would be too large for short.I know he had the range of a coffee table.But,Hanley was awfull defc.in the minors also. [/QUOTE]Really don't care if Houston has a party or not and I couldn't care less that the NFBC is having two weekends as long as it is in a good geographical location on week two.

But the Hanley thing I'll argue. What the hell is the difference what size he is if he can play D? I hear you saying, "He's gotten better, but he's bigger." So what? If he is the size of Eckstein or Ryan Howard, what is the difference if he can play?

His UZR/150 in 2007 was -20.9, basically meaning he cost the team 21 runs more than an average shortstop. That is pretty abominable and if it continued would challenge Shawn's idea that he is worth more there.

But then in 2008 he had a -0.6 and in 2009 a 0 (perfectly average). I don't care if he gained 400 pounds over that time; he clearly improved his play at the position to the point that it would be a horrible idea to stick him in a position that has a much better offensive standard.