Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Go back to the original thread, Bill. Its covered. sorry, i stepped in the middle of a thread without researching.
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Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
quote:Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
quote:Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:
do you care if an owner "punts" saves? No [/QUOTE]so why should it matter if a guy punts Wins? [/QUOTE]He can punt wins, but he shouldn't be awards top points in two categories by avoiding starting pitching.
Bill...have you played in any leagues when this has happened? [/QUOTE]BTW, every league i've ever played in has had minimums..."FOR LOVE OF THE GAME"
quote:Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
quote:Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:
do you care if an owner "punts" saves? No [/QUOTE]so why should it matter if a guy punts Wins? [/QUOTE]He can punt wins, but he shouldn't be awards top points in two categories by avoiding starting pitching.
Bill...have you played in any leagues when this has happened? [/QUOTE]BTW, every league i've ever played in has had minimums..."FOR LOVE OF THE GAME"
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Having stuck it to Ryan the one time I used such a strategy, I can see the point. [Big Grin]
I didn't single you out - because you tried it in a non-money (Magazine league). You also conceded at the end that it was the first time you ever tried it and that in fact it was boring for you to manage. It should be noted that I think you only drafted two SP - Carpenter in RD 27 and J Schmidt. Carpenter was a nice steal there and the perfect 1 SP anchor for your staff.
But it wasn't your fault my team hit a measly .262. It was easily the most dominant offense I ever assembled - 1124 Runs, 323 HR's, 1102 RBIS, 173 sbs and I still lost by 12 pts.
It's true you have to be very skilled to make such a strategy work.
With so many great players taking up the cause - I think I'll let them do most of the talking here.
[ October 12, 2009, 05:25 PM: Message edited by: Ryan Carey ]
I didn't single you out - because you tried it in a non-money (Magazine league). You also conceded at the end that it was the first time you ever tried it and that in fact it was boring for you to manage. It should be noted that I think you only drafted two SP - Carpenter in RD 27 and J Schmidt. Carpenter was a nice steal there and the perfect 1 SP anchor for your staff.
But it wasn't your fault my team hit a measly .262. It was easily the most dominant offense I ever assembled - 1124 Runs, 323 HR's, 1102 RBIS, 173 sbs and I still lost by 12 pts.
It's true you have to be very skilled to make such a strategy work.
With so many great players taking up the cause - I think I'll let them do most of the talking here.
[ October 12, 2009, 05:25 PM: Message edited by: Ryan Carey ]
Mastersball
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Could an actual staff get by with just relievers? no.
If we assume, therefore, that you should be required to start at least 4 SPs each week to have a somewhat realistic pitching staff ...
* 4 starts per wk x 5-6 IP x 26 wks = 520-624 IP
* plus 5 RPs x 2 IP x 26 wks = 260 IP
* Total = 780 (@ 5 IP/start) or 884 (@6 IP/start)
While it's just a theoretical framework, the above suggests 800-900 would be reasonable for a minimum. If you bump it to 5 starts per wk, then it's 1000. But since we're dealing with an absolute minimum, and some teams don't manage 'til the end, I'd err on the conservative side and settle in at either 800 or 900.
[ October 12, 2009, 05:34 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
If we assume, therefore, that you should be required to start at least 4 SPs each week to have a somewhat realistic pitching staff ...
* 4 starts per wk x 5-6 IP x 26 wks = 520-624 IP
* plus 5 RPs x 2 IP x 26 wks = 260 IP
* Total = 780 (@ 5 IP/start) or 884 (@6 IP/start)
While it's just a theoretical framework, the above suggests 800-900 would be reasonable for a minimum. If you bump it to 5 starts per wk, then it's 1000. But since we're dealing with an absolute minimum, and some teams don't manage 'til the end, I'd err on the conservative side and settle in at either 800 or 900.
[ October 12, 2009, 05:34 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
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i do believe a 3-4 starter rotation can win a league,,but not the overall. hence..the auction, ultimates, super leagues is where this comes into play.
[ October 12, 2009, 05:44 PM: Message edited by: Kentucky Reign ]
[ October 12, 2009, 05:44 PM: Message edited by: Kentucky Reign ]
bill cleavenger
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Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:
i do believe a 3-4 starter rotation can win a league,,but not the overall. hence..the auction, ultimates, super leagues is where this comes into play. Sorry- so much for letting others do the talking - but had to respond. I understand why big money players want this gone from those events - but what makes it different for those players without deep pockets?
Last time I checked a league title in the Main worth 5000.
And some guys look at SAT leagues as their only ticket to the big dance. Say you can only afford a couple 125 leagues and hope that you can win to get in - shouldn't you get to choose your format? Shouldn't you be allowed to avoid these Sharks in your quest to get in the Main Event if you choose? It will be hard enough without facing down one or two guys who have mastered the technique and employ the strategy with scientific precison.
I'm not rich and my fantasy monies are limited- so for me and others like me- I likely need to win a Sat to get back into the Main.
It comes into play everywhere at every level. I understand that Greg has long stated that they want to allow their customer's the ability to manage their squads as they see fit - but the fact is that the SAT leagues are the entry level/training ground here at the NFBC and I think that the all reliever strategy is a gimmick that should at the very least be made more difficult to employ.
What is happening is this just allows SHarks to swoop into these entry level leagues, employ these strategies, win multiple leagues with a strategy that you yourself have admitted would never work in the Main Event.
So if these leagues are truly the training ground for future Childs and Hinkleman's - why not get a system in place that more closely mirrors what they would/will face in a Main Event draft?
I think it's time to put the all reliever strategy where it belongs - in it's own lonely place on the signup board - let the customer's decide. Mike Konemann and Jim Stanard can duke it out to see who gets to be the first guy on the list and all the rest of us can at least DECIDE if we want to play in that league.
[ October 12, 2009, 06:51 PM: Message edited by: Ryan Carey ]
i do believe a 3-4 starter rotation can win a league,,but not the overall. hence..the auction, ultimates, super leagues is where this comes into play. Sorry- so much for letting others do the talking - but had to respond. I understand why big money players want this gone from those events - but what makes it different for those players without deep pockets?
Last time I checked a league title in the Main worth 5000.
And some guys look at SAT leagues as their only ticket to the big dance. Say you can only afford a couple 125 leagues and hope that you can win to get in - shouldn't you get to choose your format? Shouldn't you be allowed to avoid these Sharks in your quest to get in the Main Event if you choose? It will be hard enough without facing down one or two guys who have mastered the technique and employ the strategy with scientific precison.
I'm not rich and my fantasy monies are limited- so for me and others like me- I likely need to win a Sat to get back into the Main.
It comes into play everywhere at every level. I understand that Greg has long stated that they want to allow their customer's the ability to manage their squads as they see fit - but the fact is that the SAT leagues are the entry level/training ground here at the NFBC and I think that the all reliever strategy is a gimmick that should at the very least be made more difficult to employ.
What is happening is this just allows SHarks to swoop into these entry level leagues, employ these strategies, win multiple leagues with a strategy that you yourself have admitted would never work in the Main Event.
So if these leagues are truly the training ground for future Childs and Hinkleman's - why not get a system in place that more closely mirrors what they would/will face in a Main Event draft?
I think it's time to put the all reliever strategy where it belongs - in it's own lonely place on the signup board - let the customer's decide. Mike Konemann and Jim Stanard can duke it out to see who gets to be the first guy on the list and all the rest of us can at least DECIDE if we want to play in that league.
[ October 12, 2009, 06:51 PM: Message edited by: Ryan Carey ]
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Originally posted by Ryan Carey:
quote:Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:
i do believe a 3-4 starter rotation can win a league,,but not the overall. hence..the auction, ultimates, super leagues is where this comes into play. Sorry- so much for letting others do the talking - but had to respond. I understand why big money players want this gone from those events - but what makes it different for those players without deep pockets?
Last time I checked a league title in the Main worth 5000.
And some guys look at SAT leagues as their ticket to the big dance. Say you can only afford a couple 125 leagues and hope that you can win to get in - shouldn't you get to choose your format?
I'm not rich and my fantasy monies are limited- so for me and others like me- I likely need to win a Sat to get back into the Main.
It comes into play everywhere at every level. I understand that Greg has long stated that they want to allow their customer's the ability to manage their squads as they see fit - but the fact is that the SAT leagues are the entry level/training ground here at the NFBC and I think that the all reliever strategy is a gimmick that should at the very least be made more difficult to employ.
What is happening is this just allows SHarks to swoop into these entry level leagues, employ these strategies, win multiple leagues with a strategy that you yourself have admitted would never work in the Main Event.
So if these leagues are truly the training ground for future Childs and Hinkleman's - why not get a system in place that more closely mirrors what they would/will face in a Main Event draft?
I think it's time to put the all reliever strategy where it belongs - in it's own lonely place on the signup board - let the customer's decide. Mike Konemann and Jim Stanard can duke it out to see who gets to be the first guy on the list and all the rest of us can at least DECIDE if we want to play in that league. [/QUOTE]totally agree, ryan
quote:Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:
i do believe a 3-4 starter rotation can win a league,,but not the overall. hence..the auction, ultimates, super leagues is where this comes into play. Sorry- so much for letting others do the talking - but had to respond. I understand why big money players want this gone from those events - but what makes it different for those players without deep pockets?
Last time I checked a league title in the Main worth 5000.
And some guys look at SAT leagues as their ticket to the big dance. Say you can only afford a couple 125 leagues and hope that you can win to get in - shouldn't you get to choose your format?
I'm not rich and my fantasy monies are limited- so for me and others like me- I likely need to win a Sat to get back into the Main.
It comes into play everywhere at every level. I understand that Greg has long stated that they want to allow their customer's the ability to manage their squads as they see fit - but the fact is that the SAT leagues are the entry level/training ground here at the NFBC and I think that the all reliever strategy is a gimmick that should at the very least be made more difficult to employ.
What is happening is this just allows SHarks to swoop into these entry level leagues, employ these strategies, win multiple leagues with a strategy that you yourself have admitted would never work in the Main Event.
So if these leagues are truly the training ground for future Childs and Hinkleman's - why not get a system in place that more closely mirrors what they would/will face in a Main Event draft?
I think it's time to put the all reliever strategy where it belongs - in it's own lonely place on the signup board - let the customer's decide. Mike Konemann and Jim Stanard can duke it out to see who gets to be the first guy on the list and all the rest of us can at least DECIDE if we want to play in that league. [/QUOTE]totally agree, ryan
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Jim and Mike - sorry for calling you two out here - you are just two that I played against this year - and to be fair we all got dusted by Neal Moses with a non all RP team. (yes the title of my 2009 NFBC diary is "Chasing Neal Moses) But you guys are the perfect examples in this respect - you are both extremely talented players. You have both won with and without the strategy. You both know how to use the strategy well. So I don't blame you for doing so in multiple SAT leagues- but I still believe it is shortsighted of the new NFBC team to not address this across the board if growing the event is the real intention. While I am sure there are hundreds who will sign up for all the new live event offerings. The growth potential of the Sat and online leagues is much, much greater. In the words of Ben Stiller - DO IT!
[ October 12, 2009, 07:10 PM: Message edited by: Ryan Carey ]
[ October 12, 2009, 07:10 PM: Message edited by: Ryan Carey ]
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You guys are missing the original point of my post on the Diamond League thread.
I was in the special DC slow draft league this year that had increased prizes for 2nd and 3rd place. As a result we had FOUR people try the all-reliever approach. Logic was that the strategy helps you to place or show with ease.
If the Diamond League, or any league for that matter, pays for 4th place and/or increased prizes for 2nd/3rd, even more line-budging, corner-cutting "Jimmiers" will come out of the woodwork!
That not good!
I was in the special DC slow draft league this year that had increased prizes for 2nd and 3rd place. As a result we had FOUR people try the all-reliever approach. Logic was that the strategy helps you to place or show with ease.
If the Diamond League, or any league for that matter, pays for 4th place and/or increased prizes for 2nd/3rd, even more line-budging, corner-cutting "Jimmiers" will come out of the woodwork!
That not good!
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New to baseball, but it seems to me this IS a loophole that needs to be shut pretty quick.
Like Shawn said, in an auction this strategy can be implemented with VERY little risk.
Make it 1,000 IP, and let's see who has the best SKILLS, not who can hustle the best.
Like Shawn said, in an auction this strategy can be implemented with VERY little risk.
Make it 1,000 IP, and let's see who has the best SKILLS, not who can hustle the best.
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Originally posted by billywaz:
New to baseball, but it seems to me this IS a loophole that needs to be shut pretty quick.
Like Shawn said, in an auction this strategy can be implemented with VERY little risk.
Make it 1,000 IP, and let's see who has the best SKILLS, not who can hustle the best. i'd be up for that bwaz
i finished 3rd in the chicago auction this year and had 1586 IP..had 200+ from Doc, J. Shields, Wandy, and Wolf
is it unethical to require 1000 IP? especially in the leagues without national implications.
New to baseball, but it seems to me this IS a loophole that needs to be shut pretty quick.
Like Shawn said, in an auction this strategy can be implemented with VERY little risk.
Make it 1,000 IP, and let's see who has the best SKILLS, not who can hustle the best.
i'd be up for that bwazi finished 3rd in the chicago auction this year and had 1586 IP..had 200+ from Doc, J. Shields, Wandy, and Wolf
is it unethical to require 1000 IP? especially in the leagues without national implications.
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Originally posted by Sebadiah23:
You guys are missing the original point of my post on the Diamond League thread.
I was in the special DC slow draft league this year that had increased prizes for 2nd and 3rd place. As a result we had FOUR people try the all-reliever approach. Logic was that the strategy helps you to place or show with ease.
If the Diamond League, or any league for that matter, pays for 4th place and/or increased prizes for 2nd/3rd, even more line-budging, corner-cutting "Jimmiers" will come out of the woodwork!
That not good! Great Point!
You guys are missing the original point of my post on the Diamond League thread.
I was in the special DC slow draft league this year that had increased prizes for 2nd and 3rd place. As a result we had FOUR people try the all-reliever approach. Logic was that the strategy helps you to place or show with ease.
If the Diamond League, or any league for that matter, pays for 4th place and/or increased prizes for 2nd/3rd, even more line-budging, corner-cutting "Jimmiers" will come out of the woodwork!
That not good! Great Point!
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Originally posted by Sebadiah23:
You guys are missing the original point of my post on the Diamond League thread.
I was in the special DC slow draft league this year that had increased prizes for 2nd and 3rd place. As a result we had FOUR people try the all-reliever approach. Logic was that the strategy helps you to place or show with ease.
If the Diamond League, or any league for that matter, pays for 4th place and/or increased prizes for 2nd/3rd, even more line-budging, corner-cutting "Jimmiers" will come out of the woodwork!
That not good! Craig, I totally understand where you are coming from on this point. In private leagues we need consensus on points like IP if it's any different from our regular NFBC rules. I know some are vocal against a total higher 700 IP, but I'm more than willing to take that discussion up with the participants as we compile this league.
I liked the 4th place payout of some kind in the Diamond League just because of the size of the entry fee, but you make a valid point. Do we eliminate fourth place then or reduce it so it's still a losing cause to play for fourth ($5,000 instead of $10,000)? Or do we adjust the number of IP in this format from 700 to 800 or maybe even 1,000?
It's a worthy point and a worthy discussion with those involved.
As for the main event, we have gone from 400 IP to 600 IP to 700 IP. We had a heated discussion at our Friday night NFFC party in Las Vegas over this involving a few of our main event owners. Some like it at 700 IP because it allows different strategies. Some want it lower. Some want it higher. I have data on how many IP most people compiled this year and I'll post that soon. I'm not sure if that will help or not, but facts are facts.
You guys are missing the original point of my post on the Diamond League thread.
I was in the special DC slow draft league this year that had increased prizes for 2nd and 3rd place. As a result we had FOUR people try the all-reliever approach. Logic was that the strategy helps you to place or show with ease.
If the Diamond League, or any league for that matter, pays for 4th place and/or increased prizes for 2nd/3rd, even more line-budging, corner-cutting "Jimmiers" will come out of the woodwork!
That not good! Craig, I totally understand where you are coming from on this point. In private leagues we need consensus on points like IP if it's any different from our regular NFBC rules. I know some are vocal against a total higher 700 IP, but I'm more than willing to take that discussion up with the participants as we compile this league.
I liked the 4th place payout of some kind in the Diamond League just because of the size of the entry fee, but you make a valid point. Do we eliminate fourth place then or reduce it so it's still a losing cause to play for fourth ($5,000 instead of $10,000)? Or do we adjust the number of IP in this format from 700 to 800 or maybe even 1,000?
It's a worthy point and a worthy discussion with those involved.
As for the main event, we have gone from 400 IP to 600 IP to 700 IP. We had a heated discussion at our Friday night NFFC party in Las Vegas over this involving a few of our main event owners. Some like it at 700 IP because it allows different strategies. Some want it lower. Some want it higher. I have data on how many IP most people compiled this year and I'll post that soon. I'm not sure if that will help or not, but facts are facts.
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Last year I was in three leagues where owners tried this strategy.
Ultimate Auction Jim S tried this and did well. But didn't cash.Team Longood won the league easily. Team Longood punted stolen bases.He put together a team where only one player on his roster had over 10 stolen bases.
The Super league Johnny Stacks tried this stategy, he had a good year but he didn't cash. Team Johnson won the league easily. Team Johnson had the best balanced team.
I tried this strategy in the Shawn Childs league, had a good year and finshed in the money.
I like to play multple leagues in the NFBC, I also like to try different strategies.
All reliever strategy is the wrong way to say it , I had over 200 IP from starting pitchers. Also Jim S and Johnny had close to 200IP from starters as well.
Just for the record how many leagues were won last year where owners punted wins and k's?
The best strategy is a balanced team any owner that drafts a goob balanced team will beat any other strategy out there.
Ultimate Auction Jim S tried this and did well. But didn't cash.Team Longood won the league easily. Team Longood punted stolen bases.He put together a team where only one player on his roster had over 10 stolen bases.
The Super league Johnny Stacks tried this stategy, he had a good year but he didn't cash. Team Johnson won the league easily. Team Johnson had the best balanced team.
I tried this strategy in the Shawn Childs league, had a good year and finshed in the money.
I like to play multple leagues in the NFBC, I also like to try different strategies.
All reliever strategy is the wrong way to say it , I had over 200 IP from starting pitchers. Also Jim S and Johnny had close to 200IP from starters as well.
Just for the record how many leagues were won last year where owners punted wins and k's?
The best strategy is a balanced team any owner that drafts a goob balanced team will beat any other strategy out there.
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Originally posted by Kimo:
Last year I was in three leagues where owners tried this strategy.
Ultimate Auction Jim S tried this and did well. But didn't cash.Team Longood won the league easily. Team Longood punted stolen bases.He put together a team where only one player on his roster had over 10 stolen bases.
The Super league Johnny Stacks tried this stategy, he had a good year but he didn't cash. Team Johnson won the league easily. Team Johnson had the best balanced team.
I tried this strategy in the Shawn Childs league, had a good year and finshed in the money.
I like to play multple leagues in the NFBC, I also like to try different strategies.
All reliever strategy is the wrong way to say it , I had over 200 IP from starting pitchers. Also Jim S and Johnny had close to 200IP from starters as well.
Just for the record how many leagues were won last year where owners punted wins and k's?
The best strategy is a balanced team any owner that drafts a goob balanced team will beat any other strategy out there.
Last year I was in three leagues where owners tried this strategy.
Ultimate Auction Jim S tried this and did well. But didn't cash.Team Longood won the league easily. Team Longood punted stolen bases.He put together a team where only one player on his roster had over 10 stolen bases.
The Super league Johnny Stacks tried this stategy, he had a good year but he didn't cash. Team Johnson won the league easily. Team Johnson had the best balanced team.
I tried this strategy in the Shawn Childs league, had a good year and finshed in the money.
I like to play multple leagues in the NFBC, I also like to try different strategies.
All reliever strategy is the wrong way to say it , I had over 200 IP from starting pitchers. Also Jim S and Johnny had close to 200IP from starters as well.
Just for the record how many leagues were won last year where owners punted wins and k's?
The best strategy is a balanced team any owner that drafts a goob balanced team will beat any other strategy out there.
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Originally posted by Kimo:
Last year I was in three leagues where owners tried this strategy.
Ultimate Auction Jim S tried this and did well. But didn't cash.Team Longood won the league easily. Team Longood punted stolen bases.He put together a team where only one player on his roster had over 10 stolen bases.
The Super league Johnny Stacks tried this stategy, he had a good year but he didn't cash. Team Johnson won the league easily. Team Johnson had the best balanced team.
I tried this strategy in the Shawn Childs league, had a good year and finshed in the money.
I like to play multple leagues in the NFBC, I also like to try different strategies.
All reliever strategy is the wrong way to say it , I had over 200 IP from starting pitchers. Also Jim S and Johnny had close to 200IP from starters as well.
Just for the record how many leagues were won last year where owners punted wins and k's?
The best strategy is a balanced team any owner that drafts a goob balanced team will beat any other strategy out there. oops, hit button too quickly on previous post
to answer your question, I won the Las Vegas $1300 mixed auction this yesr, but it was with a low winning score (109.5). It is hard to get more than about 115 points, which wins probably less than 50% of the time.
Last year I was in three leagues where owners tried this strategy.
Ultimate Auction Jim S tried this and did well. But didn't cash.Team Longood won the league easily. Team Longood punted stolen bases.He put together a team where only one player on his roster had over 10 stolen bases.
The Super league Johnny Stacks tried this stategy, he had a good year but he didn't cash. Team Johnson won the league easily. Team Johnson had the best balanced team.
I tried this strategy in the Shawn Childs league, had a good year and finshed in the money.
I like to play multple leagues in the NFBC, I also like to try different strategies.
All reliever strategy is the wrong way to say it , I had over 200 IP from starting pitchers. Also Jim S and Johnny had close to 200IP from starters as well.
Just for the record how many leagues were won last year where owners punted wins and k's?
The best strategy is a balanced team any owner that drafts a goob balanced team will beat any other strategy out there. oops, hit button too quickly on previous post
to answer your question, I won the Las Vegas $1300 mixed auction this yesr, but it was with a low winning score (109.5). It is hard to get more than about 115 points, which wins probably less than 50% of the time.
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200 IP is basically one SP for the year - just enough to get you over the current minimum (which Capt Hook has again reminded us is 700)..
Just for arguments sake - as two guys who have knowledge of what it takes to make this work in a league - would either of you be willing to try to implement a form of it in a league with a 1000 innings limit?
Just for arguments sake - as two guys who have knowledge of what it takes to make this work in a league - would either of you be willing to try to implement a form of it in a league with a 1000 innings limit?
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Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:
i'm sure i'm preaching to the choir here...but with no minimum for I's P,,you MAY be tops in two CAT's,,but you're going to suck in two others. Kentucky, your missing the point, not only do you get the $ at the draft to go overboard on hitting, you get to specialize throughout the year with FAAB
imho, it seriously distorts the game,
1000ip or bust!!!
i'm sure i'm preaching to the choir here...but with no minimum for I's P,,you MAY be tops in two CAT's,,but you're going to suck in two others. Kentucky, your missing the point, not only do you get the $ at the draft to go overboard on hitting, you get to specialize throughout the year with FAAB
imho, it seriously distorts the game,
1000ip or bust!!!
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[ October 13, 2009, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: Bama ]
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Originally posted by Bama:
Too many idiots on this thread that want to turn fantasy baseball into kindergarden, cant win so must be the damn innnings pitched thing cause so and so said so. thats go back and be men and go back to 400ip and let the one's that want to punt 2 cats do so. after yall outlaw this then we can outlaw the punting of sb or saves. or god forbid the ones that punt era and whip. it goes on and on . maybe some of yall will be more comfortable in the yahoo kiddie leagues.
Too many idiots on this thread that want to turn fantasy baseball into kindergarden, cant win so must be the damn innnings pitched thing cause so and so said so. thats go back and be men and go back to 400ip and let the one's that want to punt 2 cats do so. after yall outlaw this then we can outlaw the punting of sb or saves. or god forbid the ones that punt era and whip. it goes on and on . maybe some of yall will be more comfortable in the yahoo kiddie leagues.
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That's rambling nonsense. Everyone can see miles past that attempt to divert focus and bully.
The punting of categories that happens in-season by some owners is almost always a move of desperation due to bad luck or injury. Not people trying to cheat the system.
The punting of categories that happens in-season by some owners is almost always a move of desperation due to bad luck or injury. Not people trying to cheat the system.
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I have always been of the opinion that the point of fantasy baseball was to simulate running an actual team. Sure we determine our champions based on a collection of individual statistics over the course of a season rather than a daily "team" concept, but I don't see the need to allow loopholes that pervert the process. There have been major league teams in the past such as Oakland and Boston who made a point of not trying to steal bases, but I can't think of any team that would do anything as idiotic as try to play each game of the season with the same nine pitchers going one inning each day.
It's not a level playing field if people are allowed to game the system. Having a reasonable IP minimum is the easiest way to make fantasy baseball resemble real baseball. My vote would be for a 900 IP minimum.
It's not a level playing field if people are allowed to game the system. Having a reasonable IP minimum is the easiest way to make fantasy baseball resemble real baseball. My vote would be for a 900 IP minimum.
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just another comment from the "peanut gallery"
why not make the minimum in all private leagues, 1000 IP?
leave the main as is, or make a change. i haven't played in the ME yet, but doesn't the most balanced team win the overall? if that's the case, and i do not know, then the minimum IP shouldn't matter as much. if you're going to be a balanced team, you're going to have plenty of IP.
i know the minimum IP has been increased over the years for all NFBC leagues, but was that done primarily for the high dollar private leagues, the ME, or for the "good of the game"?
i do not consider it a "loophole" if an owner has 701 IP and finishes third or fourth in a league. i believe a loophole is defined as "an ambiguity that makes it possible to evade a difficulty or obligation". there's nothing ambiguous and they didn't evade anything. they played by the rules of the game.
that being said, i do think it makes for a better competition if the min. IP was raised to help alleviate this situation.
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why not make the minimum in all private leagues, 1000 IP?
leave the main as is, or make a change. i haven't played in the ME yet, but doesn't the most balanced team win the overall? if that's the case, and i do not know, then the minimum IP shouldn't matter as much. if you're going to be a balanced team, you're going to have plenty of IP.
i know the minimum IP has been increased over the years for all NFBC leagues, but was that done primarily for the high dollar private leagues, the ME, or for the "good of the game"?
i do not consider it a "loophole" if an owner has 701 IP and finishes third or fourth in a league. i believe a loophole is defined as "an ambiguity that makes it possible to evade a difficulty or obligation". there's nothing ambiguous and they didn't evade anything. they played by the rules of the game.
that being said, i do think it makes for a better competition if the min. IP was raised to help alleviate this situation.
JMO
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Are you suggesting starting pitching isn't the toughest part of this game?
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Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
Are you suggesting starting pitching isn't the toughest part of this game? shawn, i'm not sure how you read that into my comment. i'm not suggesting anything, except you probably have to be well balanced to win the overall.
Are you suggesting starting pitching isn't the toughest part of this game? shawn, i'm not sure how you read that into my comment. i'm not suggesting anything, except you probably have to be well balanced to win the overall.
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