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Originally posted by Joe Sambito:
When do we hear about this East Coast venue? It's not casa de Zola, is it? Beantown I got a room reserved at the Nolan house.
When do we hear about this East Coast venue? It's not casa de Zola, is it? Beantown I got a room reserved at the Nolan house.
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Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
quote:Originally posted by Joe Sambito:
When do we hear about this East Coast venue? It's not casa de Zola, is it? Beantown I got a room reserved at the Nolan house. [/QUOTE]Is it all you can eat spaghetti with that signature?

quote:Originally posted by Joe Sambito:
When do we hear about this East Coast venue? It's not casa de Zola, is it? Beantown I got a room reserved at the Nolan house. [/QUOTE]Is it all you can eat spaghetti with that signature?

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Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
quote:Originally posted by Joe Sambito:
When do we hear about this East Coast venue? It's not casa de Zola, is it? Beantown I got a room reserved at the Nolan house. [/QUOTE]Ugh....hopefully its not there.
AC's my hope....
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quote:Originally posted by Joe Sambito:
When do we hear about this East Coast venue? It's not casa de Zola, is it? Beantown I got a room reserved at the Nolan house. [/QUOTE]Ugh....hopefully its not there.
AC's my hope....
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Originally posted by Joe Sambito:
When do we hear about this East Coast venue? It's not casa de Zola, is it? The East Coast venue folks are slow to deliver contracts for us. We are looking in Manhattan for the 27th weekend and we'll see if we can make that work. We have a couple of options for the 20th that we're working on, but we have a lot of work to do. This is our next focus, I promise.
I've done this enough to know how this works, but it really is amazing to some of those working on hotels for the first time how unresponsive these folks are. In today's economy, you would think they would be calling us back ASAP and throwing incentives at us. Instead, there are few return phone calls and this attitude like "I'm too busy to work things out with you." Simply amazing.
When do we hear about this East Coast venue? It's not casa de Zola, is it? The East Coast venue folks are slow to deliver contracts for us. We are looking in Manhattan for the 27th weekend and we'll see if we can make that work. We have a couple of options for the 20th that we're working on, but we have a lot of work to do. This is our next focus, I promise.
I've done this enough to know how this works, but it really is amazing to some of those working on hotels for the first time how unresponsive these folks are. In today's economy, you would think they would be calling us back ASAP and throwing incentives at us. Instead, there are few return phone calls and this attitude like "I'm too busy to work things out with you." Simply amazing.
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NFBC/FANBALL, looks like you are on your way to the "world series of fantasy baseball." If this flies and I'm sure it will because of the variety you have for everyone. This 2 weekend event may turn into the entire month of March event. As a Las Vegas local, I'm looking forward to more live events. I do like the $500 and $800 fees of the new games, because of no sticker shock that the main event creates with a $1300 price tag.
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by Gekko:
greg - this is starting to feel like the WSOP with all these events.
however, all of these offerings require weekly management/FAAB which will likely limit most people. any thoughts on a LIVE Draft Champions Overall format? I totally understand and appreciate the role of the Draft Champions format without any in-season management. I'd like to create something like this, but would really need to do some work on a spreadsheet. Right now we are guaranteeing so many prizes that we are really out there. To create an NFBC Draft Champions Championship, we'd need to determine the overall prize pool and guarantee it.
Maybe we keep it low and expand the prize pool to make it happen. Time is also tough because we are now in two locations for 11 or so days and thus running these too close to the events makes it tough. If we could figure this all out and price point, anything is possible. But we're out there already with a lot!!!
But again, I understand the concept and a 15-team format, 45-round DC contest would get good response. If folks agree to earlier drafts, maybe we could consider.
Sound reasonable? [/QUOTE]Greg - What about a Live Slow Draft Draft Champions League? The draft addicts that will be in Vegas both weekends need something to fill the time during the week!
Cots in the draft room and unlimited free Coronas for all participants of course.
[ October 12, 2009, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: Liquidhippo ]
quote:Originally posted by Gekko:
greg - this is starting to feel like the WSOP with all these events.

however, all of these offerings require weekly management/FAAB which will likely limit most people. any thoughts on a LIVE Draft Champions Overall format? I totally understand and appreciate the role of the Draft Champions format without any in-season management. I'd like to create something like this, but would really need to do some work on a spreadsheet. Right now we are guaranteeing so many prizes that we are really out there. To create an NFBC Draft Champions Championship, we'd need to determine the overall prize pool and guarantee it.
Maybe we keep it low and expand the prize pool to make it happen. Time is also tough because we are now in two locations for 11 or so days and thus running these too close to the events makes it tough. If we could figure this all out and price point, anything is possible. But we're out there already with a lot!!!

But again, I understand the concept and a 15-team format, 45-round DC contest would get good response. If folks agree to earlier drafts, maybe we could consider.
Sound reasonable? [/QUOTE]Greg - What about a Live Slow Draft Draft Champions League? The draft addicts that will be in Vegas both weekends need something to fill the time during the week!
Cots in the draft room and unlimited free Coronas for all participants of course.
[ October 12, 2009, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: Liquidhippo ]
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Originally posted by Glenneration X:
Why not schedule a couple of these drafts during the week between the two big weekends to keep those staying the full week busy?
Glenn There is another alternative...especially for those coming from parts North and East..........it's only a 4-5 hour drive from Las Vegas to Northwest Phoenix suburbs of Peoria (spring training home of Mariners and Padres, or Surprise, spring training home of the Rangers and Royals)........so anyone coming out for the first weekend could draft their a$$ off and then Monday drive down and see three or four days of spring training baseball in the SUN, and then drive back for the second weekend of drafts.
Why not schedule a couple of these drafts during the week between the two big weekends to keep those staying the full week busy?
Glenn There is another alternative...especially for those coming from parts North and East..........it's only a 4-5 hour drive from Las Vegas to Northwest Phoenix suburbs of Peoria (spring training home of Mariners and Padres, or Surprise, spring training home of the Rangers and Royals)........so anyone coming out for the first weekend could draft their a$$ off and then Monday drive down and see three or four days of spring training baseball in the SUN, and then drive back for the second weekend of drafts.
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Originally posted by Liquidhippo:
quote:Greg - What about a Live Slow Draft Draft Champions League? The draft addicts that will be in Vegas both weekends need something to fill the time during the week!
Cots in the draft room and unlimited free Coronas for all participants of course. [/QUOTE]I think everyone knows that if the demand is there, I'll host it. I have no problem with a Slow Draft League being held live in LV. But if you think I'm providing free Corona's for a 15-team, 45-round Slow Draft you're crazier than I thought!!
Do you know how much Corona our group could drink during that time??!!
How about free cots and pay Corona's? 
quote:Greg - What about a Live Slow Draft Draft Champions League? The draft addicts that will be in Vegas both weekends need something to fill the time during the week!
Cots in the draft room and unlimited free Coronas for all participants of course. [/QUOTE]I think everyone knows that if the demand is there, I'll host it. I have no problem with a Slow Draft League being held live in LV. But if you think I'm providing free Corona's for a 15-team, 45-round Slow Draft you're crazier than I thought!!



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Ok there are so many options now, I'm trying not to get confused.
The double play... If we play in the $500 live event draft, we will be competing with ~300 teams. BUT WE ALSO put our team in the pool of ~700 other teams in the online championship with the chance to win that grand prize too?
FINALLY, I know this question likely belongs in another thread but... will we know this week if there is another midwest location for drafts on the weekend of March 20th???
So much to look forward to in March. Thanks, Greg.
The double play... If we play in the $500 live event draft, we will be competing with ~300 teams. BUT WE ALSO put our team in the pool of ~700 other teams in the online championship with the chance to win that grand prize too?
FINALLY, I know this question likely belongs in another thread but... will we know this week if there is another midwest location for drafts on the weekend of March 20th???
So much to look forward to in March. Thanks, Greg.
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I love the NFBC and the new enthusiasm for 2010, but the Double Play format makes no sense to me whatsoever! Online should be Online only. Why add a live component to an already overcrowded live schedule? From a business standpoint, unless I'm missing something, it's even harder to understand. Live events require a great deal of cost and staff. Online requires little work on your part and cuts costs. I could have seen the Online Championship eventually growing to literally thousands of players in the years ahead, but this bizarre, and somewhat confusing, format will add costs and retard growth. I don't get it.
In general, I see a disturbing trend of adding more and more events which goes after the pockets of the same loyal group of players, but I'm not hearing much about trying to grow events with NEW players. I'd like to hear plans to advertise on mlb.com or on TV during live sporting events. That would excite me! WE NEED NEW BLOOD. FOR REAL GROWTH, WE NEED NEW PLAYERS. Yes, I know that advertising is expensive, but it's a necessary evil if you are to really grow fantasy baseball. There are millions of baseball fans that have never heard of the NFBC. We need to reach them. I wonder how many new people you could snag with ads on mlb.com during Feb-March? If I were running things, I would damn sure try to answer that question!!
In general, I see a disturbing trend of adding more and more events which goes after the pockets of the same loyal group of players, but I'm not hearing much about trying to grow events with NEW players. I'd like to hear plans to advertise on mlb.com or on TV during live sporting events. That would excite me! WE NEED NEW BLOOD. FOR REAL GROWTH, WE NEED NEW PLAYERS. Yes, I know that advertising is expensive, but it's a necessary evil if you are to really grow fantasy baseball. There are millions of baseball fans that have never heard of the NFBC. We need to reach them. I wonder how many new people you could snag with ads on mlb.com during Feb-March? If I were running things, I would damn sure try to answer that question!!
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Originally posted by rkulaski:
Ok there are so many options now, I'm trying not to get confused.
The double play... If we play in the $500 live event draft, we will be competing with ~300 teams. BUT WE ALSO put our team in the pool of ~700 other teams in the online championship with the chance to win that grand prize too?That's correct. Everyone in the Double Play will be competing for the grand prize. That includes both the people who spend $350 to draft online and those who spend $500 to draft live. The additional bonus is for those who choose the live draft option. They will have the opportunity to compete for two grand prizes.
We know there's a lot to digest but we're really excited about everything that we're offering next year. Like I posted on Saturday, our goal is to be the place for fantasy baseball players to go to when deciding about what national leagues they want to participate in. Whether it's 12-team or 15-team drafts or a national auction or the $10,000 event, we believe we will provide enough options that you wouldn't even consider drafting anywhere else. Why would you?
And to answer the question from earlier about additional incentives for people who sign up for multiple events, the answer is yes we have some things in mind. We'll roll those out shortly so stay tuned.
Ok there are so many options now, I'm trying not to get confused.
The double play... If we play in the $500 live event draft, we will be competing with ~300 teams. BUT WE ALSO put our team in the pool of ~700 other teams in the online championship with the chance to win that grand prize too?That's correct. Everyone in the Double Play will be competing for the grand prize. That includes both the people who spend $350 to draft online and those who spend $500 to draft live. The additional bonus is for those who choose the live draft option. They will have the opportunity to compete for two grand prizes.
We know there's a lot to digest but we're really excited about everything that we're offering next year. Like I posted on Saturday, our goal is to be the place for fantasy baseball players to go to when deciding about what national leagues they want to participate in. Whether it's 12-team or 15-team drafts or a national auction or the $10,000 event, we believe we will provide enough options that you wouldn't even consider drafting anywhere else. Why would you?

And to answer the question from earlier about additional incentives for people who sign up for multiple events, the answer is yes we have some things in mind. We'll roll those out shortly so stay tuned.
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Originally posted by Catch:
NFBC/FANBALL, looks like you are on your way to the "world series of fantasy baseball." If this flies and I'm sure it will because of the variety you have for everyone. This 2 weekend event may turn into the entire month of March event. As a Las Vegas local, I'm looking forward to more live events. I do like the $500 and $800 fees of the new games, because of no sticker shock that the main event creates with a $1300 price tag. Thanks Catch -- appreciate the kind words. We are hopeful the new price tags can accommodate most budgets. We'll have plenty of things to keep you busy all week. Thanks again!
NFBC/FANBALL, looks like you are on your way to the "world series of fantasy baseball." If this flies and I'm sure it will because of the variety you have for everyone. This 2 weekend event may turn into the entire month of March event. As a Las Vegas local, I'm looking forward to more live events. I do like the $500 and $800 fees of the new games, because of no sticker shock that the main event creates with a $1300 price tag. Thanks Catch -- appreciate the kind words. We are hopeful the new price tags can accommodate most budgets. We'll have plenty of things to keep you busy all week. Thanks again!
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Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
quote:Originally posted by rkulaski:
Ok there are so many options now, I'm trying not to get confused.
The double play... If we play in the $500 live event draft, we will be competing with ~300 teams. BUT WE ALSO put our team in the pool of ~700 other teams in the online championship with the chance to win that grand prize too?That's correct. Everyone in the Double Play will be competing for the grand prize. That includes both the people who spend $350 to draft online and those who spend $500 to draft live. The additional bonus is for those who choose the live draft option. They will have the opportunity to compete for two grand prizes.
We know there's a lot to digest but we're really excited about everything that we're offering next year. Like I posted on Saturday, our goal is to be the place for fantasy baseball players to go to when deciding about what national leagues they want to participate in. Whether it's 12-team or 15-team drafts or a national auction or the $10,000 event, we believe we will provide enough options that you wouldn't even consider drafting anywhere else. Why would you?
And to answer the question from earlier about additional incentives for people who sign up for multiple events, the answer is yes we have some things in mind. We'll roll those out shortly so stay tuned. [/QUOTE]Thanks Tom for your reply.
Throwing out another thought for you guys...
I LOVE the 15-team leagues and contests much more so than the 12-team leagues. I know others feel this way too, just not sure how many others. Anyways, one thing I would love to see is a contest (a "mini" main event- live OR online) with 15-team leagues with an entry fee in the $500-$750 range. Similar to the price of NFFC Primetime Tournament.
Again, I love playing in the 15-team leagues, which originally the NFBC was all about, right? I would love to see some expansion in this area for LIVE and/or ONLINE events. It seems like most of the growth/expansion is ONLY directed to 12-team leagues.
I just wanted to let my #1 wish be known for what I want the NFBC to offer. Hopefully, I speak for others as well.
quote:Originally posted by rkulaski:
Ok there are so many options now, I'm trying not to get confused.
The double play... If we play in the $500 live event draft, we will be competing with ~300 teams. BUT WE ALSO put our team in the pool of ~700 other teams in the online championship with the chance to win that grand prize too?That's correct. Everyone in the Double Play will be competing for the grand prize. That includes both the people who spend $350 to draft online and those who spend $500 to draft live. The additional bonus is for those who choose the live draft option. They will have the opportunity to compete for two grand prizes.
We know there's a lot to digest but we're really excited about everything that we're offering next year. Like I posted on Saturday, our goal is to be the place for fantasy baseball players to go to when deciding about what national leagues they want to participate in. Whether it's 12-team or 15-team drafts or a national auction or the $10,000 event, we believe we will provide enough options that you wouldn't even consider drafting anywhere else. Why would you?

And to answer the question from earlier about additional incentives for people who sign up for multiple events, the answer is yes we have some things in mind. We'll roll those out shortly so stay tuned. [/QUOTE]Thanks Tom for your reply.
Throwing out another thought for you guys...
I LOVE the 15-team leagues and contests much more so than the 12-team leagues. I know others feel this way too, just not sure how many others. Anyways, one thing I would love to see is a contest (a "mini" main event- live OR online) with 15-team leagues with an entry fee in the $500-$750 range. Similar to the price of NFFC Primetime Tournament.
Again, I love playing in the 15-team leagues, which originally the NFBC was all about, right? I would love to see some expansion in this area for LIVE and/or ONLINE events. It seems like most of the growth/expansion is ONLY directed to 12-team leagues.
I just wanted to let my #1 wish be known for what I want the NFBC to offer. Hopefully, I speak for others as well.
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Originally posted by Nevadaman:
I love the NFBC and the new enthusiasm for 2010, but the Double Play format makes no sense to me whatsoever! Online should be Online only. Why add a live component to an already overcrowded live schedule? From a business standpoint, unless I'm missing something, it's even harder to understand. Live events require a great deal of cost and staff. Online requires little work on your part and cuts costs. I could have seen the Online Championship eventually growing to literally thousands of players in the years ahead, but this bizarre, and somewhat confusing, format will add costs and retard growth. I don't get it.
In general, I see a disturbing trend of adding more and more events which goes after the pockets of the same loyal group of players, but I'm not hearing much about trying to grow events with NEW players. I'd like to hear plans to advertise on mlb.com or on TV during live sporting events. That would excite me! WE NEED NEW BLOOD. FOR REAL GROWTH, WE NEED NEW PLAYERS. Yes, I know that advertising is expensive, but it's a necessary evil if you are to really grow fantasy baseball. There are millions of baseball fans that have never heard of the NFBC. We need to reach them. I wonder how many new people you could snag with ads on mlb.com during Feb-March? If I were running things, I would damn sure try to answer that question!! I agree with all your points. Our goal throughout this entire process was to develop ways to grow the event + attract new customers.
Fanball has over 60,000 unique fantasy baseball players playing our games. In addition, with the acquisition of the Fantasy Sports magazines, coupled with our existing publications - we will have over 1,000,000 magazines on the national newsstand. Furthermore, CDM + Fanball have well over 150,000 fantasy baseball players to market this product to. We have extensive marketing plans in addition to internal marketing objectives and we are hopeful this will bring in the new users you are expecting.
We both want the same thing and we will do our best to make it happen. I agree with you - we don't want to keep going to the well so to speak and having players like you depended upon for multiple contests. We want you to pick the one that best suits your needs and we are hopeful we'll find some new players to dive in. That's the goal and we'll be aggressive with those goals.
Thanks for the note and pointing this out. I think it's important for everyone to understand our plans and we want to fully disclose as much as possible.
I love the NFBC and the new enthusiasm for 2010, but the Double Play format makes no sense to me whatsoever! Online should be Online only. Why add a live component to an already overcrowded live schedule? From a business standpoint, unless I'm missing something, it's even harder to understand. Live events require a great deal of cost and staff. Online requires little work on your part and cuts costs. I could have seen the Online Championship eventually growing to literally thousands of players in the years ahead, but this bizarre, and somewhat confusing, format will add costs and retard growth. I don't get it.
In general, I see a disturbing trend of adding more and more events which goes after the pockets of the same loyal group of players, but I'm not hearing much about trying to grow events with NEW players. I'd like to hear plans to advertise on mlb.com or on TV during live sporting events. That would excite me! WE NEED NEW BLOOD. FOR REAL GROWTH, WE NEED NEW PLAYERS. Yes, I know that advertising is expensive, but it's a necessary evil if you are to really grow fantasy baseball. There are millions of baseball fans that have never heard of the NFBC. We need to reach them. I wonder how many new people you could snag with ads on mlb.com during Feb-March? If I were running things, I would damn sure try to answer that question!! I agree with all your points. Our goal throughout this entire process was to develop ways to grow the event + attract new customers.
Fanball has over 60,000 unique fantasy baseball players playing our games. In addition, with the acquisition of the Fantasy Sports magazines, coupled with our existing publications - we will have over 1,000,000 magazines on the national newsstand. Furthermore, CDM + Fanball have well over 150,000 fantasy baseball players to market this product to. We have extensive marketing plans in addition to internal marketing objectives and we are hopeful this will bring in the new users you are expecting.
We both want the same thing and we will do our best to make it happen. I agree with you - we don't want to keep going to the well so to speak and having players like you depended upon for multiple contests. We want you to pick the one that best suits your needs and we are hopeful we'll find some new players to dive in. That's the goal and we'll be aggressive with those goals.
Thanks for the note and pointing this out. I think it's important for everyone to understand our plans and we want to fully disclose as much as possible.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
It looks like I can just live in the draft room! VIP pass = rollaway bed, an outlet and a bucket of Corona inside a draft room Cabana. [/QUOTE]The buckets will have to serve double-duty.
Love the $500 Live "Online" championship idea. Absolutely the best value I have seen yet. The 12-team format does not bother me in the least as I can suck in this format equally as well as I do in the 15-team event.
Now I have to work on my arguements, proposals, promises, cajoling, groveling, and other general actions degrading to my remaining manhood to convince my wife that doing the Main, the Auction Championship, and the Live "Online" Championship is a good idea given my track record. Roll 'em up boys because it is gonna get deep!
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
It looks like I can just live in the draft room! VIP pass = rollaway bed, an outlet and a bucket of Corona inside a draft room Cabana. [/QUOTE]The buckets will have to serve double-duty.
Love the $500 Live "Online" championship idea. Absolutely the best value I have seen yet. The 12-team format does not bother me in the least as I can suck in this format equally as well as I do in the 15-team event.
Now I have to work on my arguements, proposals, promises, cajoling, groveling, and other general actions degrading to my remaining manhood to convince my wife that doing the Main, the Auction Championship, and the Live "Online" Championship is a good idea given my track record. Roll 'em up boys because it is gonna get deep!
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
It looks like I can just live in the draft room! VIP pass = rollaway bed, an outlet and a bucket of Corona inside a draft room Cabana. [/QUOTE]The buckets will have to serve double-duty.
Love the $500 Live "Online" championship idea. Absolutely the best value I have seen yet. The 12-team format does not bother me in the least as I can suck in this format equally as well as I do in the 15-team event.
Now I have to work on my arguements, proposals, promises, cajoling, groveling, and other general actions degrading to my remaining manhood to convince my wife that doing the Main, the Auction Championship, and the Live "Online" Championship is a good idea given my track record. Roll 'em up boys because it is gonna get deep! [/QUOTE]When you see the host hotel Wayne, your Mrs. will be so honored that you are taking her along for the weekend that she will allow you to play ANYTHING YOU WANT HONEY!!
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
It looks like I can just live in the draft room! VIP pass = rollaway bed, an outlet and a bucket of Corona inside a draft room Cabana. [/QUOTE]The buckets will have to serve double-duty.
Love the $500 Live "Online" championship idea. Absolutely the best value I have seen yet. The 12-team format does not bother me in the least as I can suck in this format equally as well as I do in the 15-team event.
Now I have to work on my arguements, proposals, promises, cajoling, groveling, and other general actions degrading to my remaining manhood to convince my wife that doing the Main, the Auction Championship, and the Live "Online" Championship is a good idea given my track record. Roll 'em up boys because it is gonna get deep! [/QUOTE]When you see the host hotel Wayne, your Mrs. will be so honored that you are taking her along for the weekend that she will allow you to play ANYTHING YOU WANT HONEY!!

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Originally posted by Nevadaman:
I love the NFBC and the new enthusiasm for 2010, but the Double Play format makes no sense to me whatsoever! Online should be Online only. Why add a live component to an already overcrowded live schedule? From a business standpoint, unless I'm missing something, it's even harder to understand. Live events require a great deal of cost and staff. Online requires little work on your part and cuts costs. I could have seen the Online Championship eventually growing to literally thousands of players in the years ahead, but this bizarre, and somewhat confusing, format will add costs and retard growth. I don't get it.
In general, I see a disturbing trend of adding more and more events which goes after the pockets of the same loyal group of players, but I'm not hearing much about trying to grow events with NEW players. I'd like to hear plans to advertise on mlb.com or on TV during live sporting events. That would excite me! WE NEED NEW BLOOD. FOR REAL GROWTH, WE NEED NEW PLAYERS. Yes, I know that advertising is expensive, but it's a necessary evil if you are to really grow fantasy baseball. There are millions of baseball fans that have never heard of the NFBC. We need to reach them. I wonder how many new people you could snag with ads on mlb.com during Feb-March? If I were running things, I would damn sure try to answer that question!! Steve, I know Ryan already answered this but I want to address your points too. I know you are one of our most passionate owners and you compete in many of our offerings already. You are, as you say, one of our best customers that we are catering these two weekends and multiple events to.
But you're not the only one we are trying to recruit for the Double Play or the Auction Championship. We proved last year with the introduction of the 12-team Online Championship at a good price point of $350 that we could greatly expand our user base in the NFBC. We had over 200 new players in the NFBC Online Championship who had never played a 15-team NFBC Satellite League or live event before. We expanded our new users more last year than in any single year before that and we believe we can do that again this year with Fanball's vast customer base and promotional reach.
You are correct about the Double Play on one part: The Live version is very costly to us and cuts down on our profits for that model. The easier route would have been to project 1,020 Online teams and keep growing that through more and more online teams. In a way we are doing that and if demand exceeds 720 online teams, then we'll expand the prize pool like we did last year. We will put a maximum number of teams we can take for this Double Play contest in the rules just like we did last year and expand if needed, while expanding the prize pool. But the prize money is GUARANTEED on both ends right now, a big risk on our part, but one we're willing to take to grow both the online and the live portion of this contest. So again, if you think thousands of people will play online in the Double Play, we will accommodate more than 720 this year if needed and plan accordingly for that growth in future years, but the Live portion still is a win-win for everyone (although less for us because of the live expenses).
I will gladly address the promotional part of this since I have experience in trying to grow the high-stakes model through newspaper ads, local radio ads, sports magazine ads and competing fantasy mag ads. The best bang for our buck is, First, our own fantasy publications where we can picture the NFBC, picture the NFBC champions, and write thoroughly about our contest. Nothing compares to Fantasy Sports Magazine through the years for bringing in new customers, that's a fact. And secondly, if we do spend promotional dollars, most of them should be spent within the fantasy sports industry.
Here's why: Recent surveys show that only 7% of adult Americans play fantasy sports and less than 1% of that total has ever played what they consider a high-stakes event. So while it's cool to advertise on MLB.com (we had banner ads there for 3 years) or USA Today or other high-trafficked publications or web sites, the truth of the matter is that you're spending a lot to reach a small audience of potential buyers. We are better off preaching to the choir, which in many cases are current fantasy players with CDM Diamond Challenge, and our range of fantasy publications.
You are right that we should go to the mainstream media in new ways and trust me we are working on that right now. Stay tuned on that. But just throwing advertising dollars out to get your name out won't cut it at this price point. We need players who already play the game and now have the passion to step up to the next level. And we'll convince them of that somehow. Sometimes it's with an entry level game like a satellite league or the Online Championship, but once we get them to try the NFBC, chances are they are here to stay.
Thanks Steve.
I love the NFBC and the new enthusiasm for 2010, but the Double Play format makes no sense to me whatsoever! Online should be Online only. Why add a live component to an already overcrowded live schedule? From a business standpoint, unless I'm missing something, it's even harder to understand. Live events require a great deal of cost and staff. Online requires little work on your part and cuts costs. I could have seen the Online Championship eventually growing to literally thousands of players in the years ahead, but this bizarre, and somewhat confusing, format will add costs and retard growth. I don't get it.
In general, I see a disturbing trend of adding more and more events which goes after the pockets of the same loyal group of players, but I'm not hearing much about trying to grow events with NEW players. I'd like to hear plans to advertise on mlb.com or on TV during live sporting events. That would excite me! WE NEED NEW BLOOD. FOR REAL GROWTH, WE NEED NEW PLAYERS. Yes, I know that advertising is expensive, but it's a necessary evil if you are to really grow fantasy baseball. There are millions of baseball fans that have never heard of the NFBC. We need to reach them. I wonder how many new people you could snag with ads on mlb.com during Feb-March? If I were running things, I would damn sure try to answer that question!! Steve, I know Ryan already answered this but I want to address your points too. I know you are one of our most passionate owners and you compete in many of our offerings already. You are, as you say, one of our best customers that we are catering these two weekends and multiple events to.
But you're not the only one we are trying to recruit for the Double Play or the Auction Championship. We proved last year with the introduction of the 12-team Online Championship at a good price point of $350 that we could greatly expand our user base in the NFBC. We had over 200 new players in the NFBC Online Championship who had never played a 15-team NFBC Satellite League or live event before. We expanded our new users more last year than in any single year before that and we believe we can do that again this year with Fanball's vast customer base and promotional reach.
You are correct about the Double Play on one part: The Live version is very costly to us and cuts down on our profits for that model. The easier route would have been to project 1,020 Online teams and keep growing that through more and more online teams. In a way we are doing that and if demand exceeds 720 online teams, then we'll expand the prize pool like we did last year. We will put a maximum number of teams we can take for this Double Play contest in the rules just like we did last year and expand if needed, while expanding the prize pool. But the prize money is GUARANTEED on both ends right now, a big risk on our part, but one we're willing to take to grow both the online and the live portion of this contest. So again, if you think thousands of people will play online in the Double Play, we will accommodate more than 720 this year if needed and plan accordingly for that growth in future years, but the Live portion still is a win-win for everyone (although less for us because of the live expenses).
I will gladly address the promotional part of this since I have experience in trying to grow the high-stakes model through newspaper ads, local radio ads, sports magazine ads and competing fantasy mag ads. The best bang for our buck is, First, our own fantasy publications where we can picture the NFBC, picture the NFBC champions, and write thoroughly about our contest. Nothing compares to Fantasy Sports Magazine through the years for bringing in new customers, that's a fact. And secondly, if we do spend promotional dollars, most of them should be spent within the fantasy sports industry.
Here's why: Recent surveys show that only 7% of adult Americans play fantasy sports and less than 1% of that total has ever played what they consider a high-stakes event. So while it's cool to advertise on MLB.com (we had banner ads there for 3 years) or USA Today or other high-trafficked publications or web sites, the truth of the matter is that you're spending a lot to reach a small audience of potential buyers. We are better off preaching to the choir, which in many cases are current fantasy players with CDM Diamond Challenge, and our range of fantasy publications.
You are right that we should go to the mainstream media in new ways and trust me we are working on that right now. Stay tuned on that. But just throwing advertising dollars out to get your name out won't cut it at this price point. We need players who already play the game and now have the passion to step up to the next level. And we'll convince them of that somehow. Sometimes it's with an entry level game like a satellite league or the Online Championship, but once we get them to try the NFBC, chances are they are here to stay.
Thanks Steve.
Greg Ambrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
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Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
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Originally posted by RoundTrippers:
when will we know hotel?? ur killing us!!! It's not the Iola Norseman, I promise you that!!
The contract is in hand, but I'm sure it will take a few days to finalize all of that. Nothing in the next day or two with Ryan and Charlie flying to the Great Northwest today. There was snow on the ground this morning here for them, but it's gone now. Bummer. 45 and sunny for a brisk, beautiful fall day for the boys to see our digs for the first time.
Keep thinking about the potential host hotel and then be ready for a surprise.
when will we know hotel?? ur killing us!!! It's not the Iola Norseman, I promise you that!!

The contract is in hand, but I'm sure it will take a few days to finalize all of that. Nothing in the next day or two with Ryan and Charlie flying to the Great Northwest today. There was snow on the ground this morning here for them, but it's gone now. Bummer. 45 and sunny for a brisk, beautiful fall day for the boys to see our digs for the first time.
Keep thinking about the potential host hotel and then be ready for a surprise.

Greg Ambrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
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Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by RoundTrippers:
when will we know hotel?? ur killing us!!! It's not the Iola Norseman, I promise you that!!
The contract is in hand, but I'm sure it will take a few days to finalize all of that. Nothing in the next day or two with Ryan and Charlie flying to the Great Northwest today. There was snow on the ground this morning here for them, but it's gone now. Bummer. 45 and sunny for a brisk, beautiful fall day for the boys to see our digs for the first time.
Keep thinking about the potential host hotel and then be ready for a surprise.
[/QUOTE]Where are the oddsmakers on this one? Is it a wynn wynn for everyone?
quote:Originally posted by RoundTrippers:
when will we know hotel?? ur killing us!!! It's not the Iola Norseman, I promise you that!!

The contract is in hand, but I'm sure it will take a few days to finalize all of that. Nothing in the next day or two with Ryan and Charlie flying to the Great Northwest today. There was snow on the ground this morning here for them, but it's gone now. Bummer. 45 and sunny for a brisk, beautiful fall day for the boys to see our digs for the first time.
Keep thinking about the potential host hotel and then be ready for a surprise.

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One person's opinion. LOVE the opportunity to play 3 different fantasy formats (15 team, 12 team, & auction) live in Vegas for $2600 buy in.
Shawn & 70 year old waitresses? Have we found a weakness to exploit during the draft? If so, I'll stack (well, stack might be the wrong word)the room these fine feminine forms.
Shawn & 70 year old waitresses? Have we found a weakness to exploit during the draft? If so, I'll stack (well, stack might be the wrong word)the room these fine feminine forms.
I feel like I'm the Jerry Quarry of the NFBC.
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Originally posted by Cowboy Joe:
One person's opinion. LOVE the opportunity to play 3 different fantasy formats (15 team, 12 team, & auction) live in Vegas for $2600 buy in.
Shawn & 70 year old waitresses? Have we found a weakness to exploit during the draft? If so, I'll stack (well, stack might be the wrong word)the room these fine feminine forms. "Anybody seen Shawn (or as I like to call him, my "Mayberry Muffin")? I need to give him his room key back."
[ October 13, 2009, 12:08 PM: Message edited by: Edwards Kings ]
One person's opinion. LOVE the opportunity to play 3 different fantasy formats (15 team, 12 team, & auction) live in Vegas for $2600 buy in.
Shawn & 70 year old waitresses? Have we found a weakness to exploit during the draft? If so, I'll stack (well, stack might be the wrong word)the room these fine feminine forms. "Anybody seen Shawn (or as I like to call him, my "Mayberry Muffin")? I need to give him his room key back."
[ October 13, 2009, 12:08 PM: Message edited by: Edwards Kings ]
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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GREG - sorry but I don't have time to read through posts (don the driver picking me up for Opening day soon).
But two questions:
1) If a player does Live Play option only is he eligible for Main/Online bonus
2) Are the Online and Live Play option scored separately and THEN combined.....seems obvious but have to ask
But two questions:
1) If a player does Live Play option only is he eligible for Main/Online bonus
2) Are the Online and Live Play option scored separately and THEN combined.....seems obvious but have to ask
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While I do think that this is a good idea, I could potentially see this event as one that steals players away from the main event. Especially for people who have been hit hard by the economy, or people that share a main event team and might want to branch out on their own.
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Ok, so I read 4 pages and I still have one question......when is the 2010 Main Event (ie. 15 team leagues, $1300 entry fee, $100,000 grand prize)?