Events Fees In 2010 For NFBC

Potter · Post by **Potter** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:48 pm

Multiple dates for the same contest. Multiple costs for competing in same contest, depending on date and/or co-manager. 15 team and 12 team formats. Auction, super, ultimate and diamond lgs. Multi team tie-ins for prizes. Online championship that draft in person. Live drafts that can be done from home. I've played every year in almost every format, and I'm starting to get confused. If I'd never played before, I might be discombobulated enough to find some other way to get my roto on. Not trying to be a downer. And since I have more than once entered two teams in the main event (letting someone else draft for me), I'm all for the concept of getting two bites of the apple. Some streamlining might be in order though. I haven't read all the posts in all the threads regarding all the changes for next year, so sorry if this has been brought up/discussed/resolved already.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:54 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

It's a home league. Yahoo type rules. 12th team (last team to draft) gets first pick. We draw out of a hat and nobody is unhappy to be the last pick.

We decided to go with a Big Board due to problems that would exist with too many illegal rosters. Does that mean you're in Dough? Keep the stakes on the lower side of high ... Thursday night in Vegas ???

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:04 pm

To tell the truth, KJ, I'm a 10 year old kid going to sleep on Christmas Eve. I know I'm getting the two big presents (2 Mains)I've been begging for, since I've begged the parents and Santa relentlessly(My wife).

All the other drafts are dancing in my head like sugerplums and I won't know what is going to be under that tree tomorrow.

Apologies for the cornyness.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:06 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

It's a home league. Yahoo type rules. 12th team (last team to draft) gets first pick. We draw out of a hat and nobody is unhappy to be the last pick.

We decided to go with a Big Board due to problems that would exist with too many illegal rosters. Does that mean you're in Dough? Keep the stakes on the lower side of high ... Thursday night in Vegas ???

[/QUOTE]I'd love something like this!

Once the draft starts...could I start writing down the top 300 players I'd have memorized?

No paper...no problem!

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:09 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

It's a home league. Yahoo type rules. 12th team (last team to draft) gets first pick. We draw out of a hat and nobody is unhappy to be the last pick.

We decided to go with a Big Board due to problems that would exist with too many illegal rosters. Does that mean you're in Dough? Keep the stakes on the lower side of high ... Thursday night in Vegas ???

[/QUOTE]I'd love something like this!

Once the draft starts...could I start writing down the top 300 players I'd have memorized?

No paper...no problem! [/QUOTE]In blood. No pen!

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:28 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

It's a home league. Yahoo type rules. 12th team (last team to draft) gets first pick. We draw out of a hat and nobody is unhappy to be the last pick.

We decided to go with a Big Board due to problems that would exist with too many illegal rosters. Does that mean you're in Dough? Keep the stakes on the lower side of high ... Thursday night in Vegas ???

[/QUOTE]I'd love something like this!

Once the draft starts...could I start writing down the top 300 players I'd have memorized?

No paper...no problem! [/QUOTE]In blood. No pen! [/QUOTE]

This poor guy passed out from trying to write "Anthony John Pierzynski, catcher" in blood at the 2010 NFBC "Twilight" Draft!

Doctors say his life was saved when catcher Jarrod Scott Saltalamacchia was drafted right before his pick!

[ October 18, 2009, 12:31 AM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:31 pm

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by rkulaski:

All I can say is now I go have one heck of a meal for $50 for TWO people in many restaurants. The price seems pretty steep but I'll wait to hear what's on the menu. Where are you having a heck of a meal for two for $50? Sizzler doesn't count....

Glenn [/QUOTE]I'm not sure whether you eat at French Laundry every time you go out ( http://www.tkrg.org/upload/fl_menu.pdf ), but off the top of my head, here is one from my town. Can get a heck of a meal for two for $30-35:

http://asenarestaurant.com/dinner.html [/QUOTE]Dude....first off, I didn't say I always eat at the "French Laundry" when I go out. I eat at places like the Asena Restaurant also....but I'm not eating there for two for $30-35.

Look at the prices on your menu link....an average entree is about $15.....that's $30 before you even add in appetizers, drinks, possibly a desert, coffee, tax & tip.

Simple math....you're not eating at Applebees for two for $30-35.

Now you've got me hungry....time to raid the fridge....

Glenn [/QUOTE]Nope, don't buy it. If my meal is big enough I don't need appetizers and I almost never get dessert. I don't drink coffee. Drinks, you got me but even then your critical post should have said, "Don't you drink?" rather than, "Where do you eat, the Sizzler?" Many people either don't drink or don't drink with dinner. The tip is a joke. I can't imagine anyone is going to come over to the draft table to take my order, but even if they do, I'll still be tipping out of my own pocket after the $50.

All that aside, you can just compare the flat $30 fee for the buffet at the Bellagio. If you don't drink it's just over $60 for two.

crazytown · Post by **crazytown** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:15 am

Okay, let's say I draft in Vegas on Sat. for main event and primetime. Although I will not be in Vegas, this is just wondering how things will go down. I show up at 9:30. Probably just need a small bite. Draft starts, how much am I really eating during the actual draft, not much. Can't really offer too much during the breaks otherwise they would take an eternity and with papers and computers in our areas do we really have the space. So prior to and during not much needed in my opinion. Or does Vegas offer a breakfast type sampling before the draft at 9 a.m.

Draft is over, this where the fun starts. Plenty of offerings, maybe a few drinks thrown in. Open bar has not been mentioned so I am assuming that is not happening. Maybe open bar only between drafts? Either way you fill up between drafts. Another small bite at the breaks in the 2nd draft. Then another open buffet(?) after the primetime. Seems like you are spending the whole day in the draft room for only $50. A bargain if you ask me. Wondering if this is the scenario or close to it.

Now if you only do 1 of the drafts, which is what I did last year(main event only) you still get the 1 main feast after the draft and probably some finger foods during the breaks. Not worth $50 unless they throw in some drinks, but not crazy since you have to have something anyway.

Are these the scenarios that most think will happen?

751542 · Post by **751542** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:38 am

why dont we just chill out and wait for the announcement...alot of people(crazy) are wasting time "speculating"....what a waste of time!! . lets show "alittle patience" and trust greg....thanks

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:52 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

The Belaggio only charges $30 for their buffet by way of comparison.

sorry i'm late to the discussion. brian brings up a good point. if the UNLIMITED buffet if $30, Greg and Co better slay us with what is being offered at $50. i have every trust that he WILL

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:01 am

I believe this says it all:

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

And please get beyond the $50 means $50 in just food. There are other amenities involved and we'll provide those in every city. Just stay tuned.I'll wait for the final say from Greg etal, but I do have one comment. If certain drafts are going to carry a $50 fee, while others will not, why not call it a "Food, Beverage and Entertainment Surcharge"? The EVENT is the NFBC weekend, and not the individual drafts. The term "Events Fee" is, in my opinion, a bit misleading.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:05 am

Originally posted by RoundTrippers:

why dont we just chill out and wait for the announcement...alot of people(crazy) are wasting time "speculating"....what a waste of time!! . lets show "alittle patience" and trust greg....thanks Unfortunately, and I'm sure Greg realizes this, when you provide piecemeal announcements, you invite speculation on the rest.

Glenn

crazytown · Post by **crazytown** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:53 am

Me crazy?

In my scenarios, although speculative, I stated that the $50 is worth it, in my opinion. Even if I don't know what IT is.

I guess what I am saying is, if you are getting food and drink for multiple hours, it is going to be worth the $50. If you're not, why not just go to the buffet in between drafts?

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:59 am

Eye candy and alcohol...two of my favorite things...are not free.

Damn it!

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:01 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Eye candy and alcohol...two of my favorite things...are not free.

Damn it!

Will there be eye candy?

Didn't see this announced as part of the ummm amenities?

Glenn

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:28 am

OK, I don't care about what is served at the events; I have never eaten anything, I am there to draft. I have drank soda at the Super and Auction.

Having to pay $50 so some others can eat is hard to take. Maybe while I draft my wife can eat the food being served...

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:30 am

In addition, we could be drafting in a parking lot and I wouldn't care; I just want to come to Vegas, have a good time and draft competitive teams in each game I participate in.

751542 · Post by **751542** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:46 am

then draft the 1st weekened and you wont have to pay the whole 50 bucks

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:52 am

How many times does it need to be said ... an events fee is not a food&bev fee?

We could just all fly to Iola and draft in Greg's basement and save a lot.

But I don't think that's in their business plan, and while the hardcore players would be in Iola, no one else would.

[ October 18, 2009, 11:56 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:56 am

The just say the entry fee is $1350 and $50 for a Co-Manager; but cheaper at the shitty Flamingo...

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:45 am

Originally posted by RoundTrippers:

then draft the 1st weekened and you wont have to pay the whole 50 bucks That's a viable option if you want to be at a disadvantage in the overall.

Also, since the draft is going to be subject to more luck the week before, that puts you at a greater disadvantage if you're good and a greater advantage if you're bad.

For example, for the sake of argument, let's say fantasy baseball is 50% skill and 50% luck. If you have the skill to finish 300th in the overall and you have average luck, you will end up around 250. On the other hand if you have the skill to finish 100th, then luck will pull you back to 150. The higher percentage the luck is the more it hurts good players.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:55 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

How many times does it need to be said ... an events fee is not a food&bev fee?

Which is the event: the weekend, or the individual draft?

I'm all for making the event (and by my definition, that means the weekend) bigger and better. However, once you start applying "Events Fees" to the equation, people are much more likely to challenge the specifics.

If you have to charge more for having the NFBC at the Bellagio, perhaps the better solution is to just make the entry fee bigger. There will be far less questions with a nebulous Entry Fee versus an entry fee plus a specific Events Fee.

751542 · Post by **751542** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:03 am

i disagree bjoak...to each his own. i personally feel there will be value in the 1st weekend. we agree to disagree for that reason i will be drafting week 1 and 2...good luck. i believe alot more people on the boards should be working on their cheatsheets rather than worrying about trivial bull****...back to my baseball prep!!!

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:10 am

Personally, I have time for trivial BS and preparing for 2010....

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:15 am

"None of the Events Fee is to cover our normal expenses: facility space, facilitators, draft boards, etc. Just food and beverage."

Initially when I heard about the "Events Fee" I assumed it was the extra cost to have the Bellagio. Greg did state that the "Events Fee" is specifically for food and drink. I have no problem with paying $50 for the weekend but I'm considering entering between 3-5 live drafts and that cost would be $300-$500 (team with co-partner)

I'm not part of the NFFC so I didn't see the folks complaining about chips and dip. I eat before the drafts so I've had zero complaints about the food/beverages. Crazytown.gov made a good point about food/drinks and lack of room to eat at the draft tables. The draft tables are already full with laptops, books, cheatsheets, etc.

I'm sure when Greg provides the specifics we'll have an understanding of the cost.

[ October 18, 2009, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: Red Sox Nation ]