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Post by Gekko » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:04 pm

16 David Wright

17 Tim Lincecum

18 Jacoby Ellsbury

19 Jimmy Rollins

20 Matt Holliday

21 Grady Sizemore

22 Jose Reyes

23 Justin Upton

24 Victor Martinez (1B)

25 Joey Votto

26 Roy Halladay

27 Mark Reynolds (1B)

28 Dustin Pedroia

29 Brandon Phillips

30 Adrian Gonzalez



LIKES:

Wright - Regression to the mean. Unlike Tom K, I think 3B is a weak position after you get past ARAM. Wright was a top 4 pick last year. What has changed? He's had 4 kick ass years followed by one subpar year. Now he's the 16th best pick. I personally attribute the subpar year to "pressing"...which would 100% explain the rise in strikeout rate.



Where would he be going if his one subpar year was 5 years ago and he just had 4 kickass years in a row? ;) It's hard to trust sometimes, but "regression" in this case is GOOD.



Rollins - When was the last time you could get a great SS in the mid 2nd? 3 of the last 4 years, he's had over 20hr and over 35sb. If he gets lucky with his BA on "balls in play" this year, a .290 average would make him a top 5 pick at a scarce position.



DISLIKES:

Halladay - I'm a Halladay fan, don't get me wrong, but mid 2nd? The only way I can see that is if you are "punting" hr and rbi (like I did in a draft). If C.Carpenter managed to throw the same innings as Halladay last year, he would only have 29 less strikouts. Carpenter is going in the mid fifth round.) I just think the offense you are passing in the 2nd round is a bit too much). Even Childs said he'd pass on pitching (INCLUDING Lincecum unless it was the 3rd round).



Martinez - I liked Martinez a bit more about 6 weeks ago. Martinez is hitting in a nice lineup, but with the addition of Beltre to the diamond, Martinez's days at DH are limited at best. Shandler noted Martinez's offensive splits when he was catching as opposed to DH'ing and it wasn't pretty...

As catcher ---> OPS of 783

As DH ---> OPS of 942



Also, it's been noted that catchers break down more easily than other position players due to the grueling nature of catching, esp in the summer months.

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Post by ALL-IN JD » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:21 pm

Mark, have to respectfully disagree on Martinez. A very good hitter, in a great hitters park, in a very good lineup. Ortiz is starting to get injury prone and Beltre is already there. V Mart will still rack up the AB's, in my humble opinion.





Jeff

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Post by Gekko » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:39 pm

Originally posted by fireballs:

Mark, have to respectfully disagree on Martinez. A very good hitter, in a great hitters park, in a very good lineup. Ortiz is starting to get injury prone and Beltre is already there. V Mart will still rack up the AB's, in my humble opinion.





Jeff hi jeff!! how many AB do u have vmart for? how many of those at DH?



also, am i going to see u in the $1,300 NY mixed auction?

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Post by Walla Walla » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:46 pm

So Mark did you time this because you were overlooked for the hot tub? Your welcome to jump in too! :D

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Post by Red Sox Nation » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:58 pm

1. Miggy

2. VMart



So far we know your top two targets. Stop helping us!
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Post by Gekko » Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:46 am

Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

1. Miggy

2. VMart



So far we know your top two targets. Stop helping us! you guys are sharp! ;)



i will take miggy somewhere in the second and i'll take vmart somewhere in the 3rd or 4th



since neither will likely make it that far, i doubt i acquire them.

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Post by ALL-IN JD » Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:04 am

Mark, looking at 550-575 AB's. Atleast 30-35 games at DH. Between C, DH, and 1B, he should have no trouble getting there, IMO.



Ill miss you in the auction. Im doing the one at a different time. Plus I dont want to bang heads with you! :)

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Post by TOXIC ASSETS » Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:26 am

Gekko, gotta argue against you with regards to Roy Halliday.



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If C.Carpenter managed to throw the same innings as Halladay last year, he would only have 29 less strikouts.

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The reason Halladay should go first or second round, and Carpenter much much later is simple. Halliday is consistant year after year, while Carpenter is a walking injury waiting to happen. Carpenter is more likely than not to miss significant time. Which is why a guy like him can NEVER be relyed on in fantasy and certainly not with a high pick. As Gordon Gekko said..."I don't throw darts. I bet on sure things".

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Post by Gekko » Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:13 pm

Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:

Gekko, gotta argue against you with regards to Roy Halliday.



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If C.Carpenter managed to throw the same innings as Halladay last year, he would only have 29 less strikouts.

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The reason Halladay should go first or second round, and Carpenter much much later is simple. Halliday is consistant year after year, while Carpenter is a walking injury waiting to happen. Carpenter is more likely than not to miss significant time. Which is why a guy like him can NEVER be relyed on in fantasy and certainly not with a high pick. As Gordon Gekko said..."I don't throw darts. I bet on sure things". again, i like halladay. i just think there are better hitter options in the mid 2nd round.i don't believe halladay will be a 2nd round pick next year either.



childs says to pass on all pitchers until 3rd round, he'd pick lincecum.



not sure what angle you see, but you got two of the big boyz saying they'd pass.

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Post by King of Queens » Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:31 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

childs says Then it must be so!!!

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