Slow Draft Etiquette

[billywaz]

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by waiverwire:

Greg may want to seriously rethink how slow drafts work based on this thread. I'm in one right now. It's my first experience with NFBC, and from my point of view it's been going well so far (in the 7th round right now). That said, if I had read this thread before I signed up, I probably would have skipped it. I've made my most of my picks quickly, putting myself on auto when I had a good idea of who I wanted and whether they'd be available. But when I signed up, I did so assuming that if I wanted 12 hours for a pick I had it. The idea that there are going to be 14 pissed off guys who may berate me if I'm out all day without internet access (as I will be on Thursday and Friday this week) isnt very appealing, and is going to be a good way to make new players have an unpleasant initial NFBC experience. If there are expectations about providing contact information (which I've done), making rapid picks, etc. those should be communicated to people before they register. The best solution would probably be to have two types of slow drafts, as a number of people have said. This was the post before KJ's first slow draft.



This is a rematch of last season's first slow draft, but we've got a few spots open for newcomers.



For those of you interested in a faster slow draft and some baseball chat ... Shawn and I will keep this draft moving with text messages or phone calls. We'll target a 7-10 day finish with a 45-round DC format.



The Original Slow Draft II

begins Thursday, January 7, 2010

$325 DC for 3 free entries



1 KJ Duke

2 Steve Jupinka

3 Shawn Childs

4 Bill Cleavenger

5 GlennX

6 Rick Thomas

7 Emory Upchurch

8 George Kleemann

9 Bobby Jurney

10 Billy Waz

11 Mike Cameron

12 Anson Chan

13 Steve Wells

14 Bryan Vogel

15 Paul Spradling [/QUOTE]I think the key to making a draft like this work, is giving someone "commissioner access".



KJ had this during the draft above, and even if I was away from the computer, he would text or call and I could tell him who I wanted, and the draft wouldn't miss a beat.



We finished this in 7.5 days!



On a side note, the people who refuse to give out any contact info are the ones who irk me the most. It's not like anyone is going to hack into your bank accounts or find that you are surfing porn all the time!



Giving a cell # where someone could text or call should be REQUIRED for these type drafts. For the record, I wouldn't give out my home phone # for the reasons this thread was started.

[The Mighty Men]

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Son of Jack Bauer:

I was the person who called Bobby's house. I left a telephone message, was very polite, and simply said the clock had started and he had twelve hours to make the pick.



I have already sent Bobby an apology and told him it will not happen again. In light of the reaction from the board, I acknowledge that I made a mistake. Still learning slow draft etiquette.



Yesterday, we, as a group, had tried to get everyone's contact information. We did not have anything for Bobby. Earlier today, he told us that he likely would be at work from approximately 7:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. EST. Since his pick likely would come due right at the end of his shift, and because he mentioned he could not be contacted at work, I googled him and found his home number. I was just trying to give him a heads up...I didn't realize that a telephone message would be so upsetting to him and his wife. The message was left at around 7:15 p.m. EST, about the same time as solicitors call houses.



People who have spoken with me in drafts or through the message board know I am a jovial, straight shooting guy who is the first to call myself out for something which may be viewed as inappropriate. That is what I am doing here.



My name is Kevin Park, and I am an attorney in Phoenix, AZ. If you think I deserve it, feel free to berate me for what I did.



Finally, it figures Mark Srebro comes out and wants me treated like a pariah. Given his constant harassment to just about everybody on this board, I find his reaction richly ironic. Pot calling the kettle black, huh Gekko.



Again, my apologies to Bobby and his wife. Also, I wish to apologize to Greg and Tom for any unnecessary consternation I caused with my action. I very much appreciate and enjoy NFBC and NFFC and the efforts of those gentlemen. hey at least you apologized. all is forgotten. and when i harass someone on these boards, they are free to read it or not. i'm not sitting here calling people at their HOME. what would have been the next step Kevin...call Bobby at his WORK and leave a message with his supervisor that it was his pick?? [/QUOTE]In case anyone missed it, Kevin FIRST apologized to Bobby D privately, which was the right act. Then without being asked, Kevin voluntarily came on these boards, explained what happened, and publicly apologized. While perhaps he should not have called Bobby D's house, he stepped forward and accepted responsibility for his actions.



You then try to up the ante and ridiculously speculate about a call at work. That doesn't help anything, does it?

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by MadCow Sez:

Some people forget the SLOW portion of a slow draft. I've done several over the last 2 years and the average seems to be 2 rounds/day totaling 3 weeks.



I am as excited about the next guy to see what my early season prognostications will reap....but c'mon y'all. Calling someone at home is out of line if they haven't told you to call them. Try that with me and all you'll do is **** off my wife and make yourself look silly.



Some people can't access the internet while working. Some of us have days when we don't see the inside of a building all day. Deal with it and hold yer horses.



You want speed? Join a regular satellite. NFBC offers several would be glad to have your business. They're fun, fast, and you'll get your gratification earlier. I won't enter a slow draft unless it takes a week. Being in the draft room for three weeks sucks the life out of you. [/QUOTE]Pleeeeeeeeeeaaaase. There is a reason that these are called Slow Drafts. It's because people have A LIFE to take care of. It's cool for that special league that wants to do this in a week's time and I know that Shawn and KJ do a great job with that league. But for the most part, people want to see the picks being made via email and still do the job that pays the bills.



These Slow Drafts are addicting, educational and for the most part a lot of fun. What Kevin did should never be condoned by anyone in our event and Tom and I certainly don't condone that behavior. That being said, Kevin has come forward and apologized to Bobby and the masses and hopefully something like this will never happen again.



Patience is a virtue my friends. Hopefully if you're signed up for a Slow Draft you'll understand that these do take about 21-22 days to complete and by that time 675 players will have been picked and 15 owners will have formed a very fun league. Now everyone settle down and enjoy the ride. These drafts should be fun, not life threatening.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by waiverwire:

Greg may want to seriously rethink how slow drafts work based on this thread. I'm in one right now. It's my first experience with NFBC, and from my point of view it's been going well so far (in the 7th round right now). That said, if I had read this thread before I signed up, I probably would have skipped it. I've made my most of my picks quickly, putting myself on auto when I had a good idea of who I wanted and whether they'd be available. But when I signed up, I did so assuming that if I wanted 12 hours for a pick I had it. The idea that there are going to be 14 pissed off guys who may berate me if I'm out all day without internet access (as I will be on Thursday and Friday this week) isnt very appealing, and is going to be a good way to make new players have an unpleasant initial NFBC experience. If there are expectations about providing contact information (which I've done), making rapid picks, etc. those should be communicated to people before they register. The best solution would probably be to have two types of slow drafts, as a number of people have said. Honestly, I try to run these leagues and the Message Boards (and now the Slow Drafts) with one common idea: Use common sense. I give our members enough leeway because I believe that they will all use common sense when posting about others. Sometimes our adults act like children and step over the boundaries and I have to step in. But I'm not big on too much government control or too much government intervention, and thus I usually let our participants use common sense when doing things.



Too many rules aren't good. In this case, Kevin definitely stepped out of line. Honestly, some folks with their posts here are being too demanding of Slow Draft participation. Bottom line is that if you can't take the 12-hour limit because you need picks quicker, then we'll form a Slow Draft League that gets everyone together for 7-8 days and make picks that way. That's what Shawn and KJ did in January and everyone was happy. Those participants don't want a three-week Slow Draft and they are posting that here, but we already have 20+ other leagues that went off fine and continue to run fine with the 12-hour time limit, so all isn't bad.



This was a unique case and I don't think this will happen again, certainly not from Kevin. So let's move on and continue filling these as we go.

[Atlas]

Hey guys!

I've read most of the posts here (well, the first and last pages) and thought perhaps I could offer some observations....and for the record, I completed my very first slow draft last month, so I am in no way holding myself out to be the expert in SDs.



Having said that, we had a great group of guys (and gal) and things went very smooth for the most part. We found out where each of us were located and what our time restraints were and worked with them. We had cell phones and used text messaging when necessary to alert members of an impending pick. Worked well, I thought.



Some thoughts...

1. Offer 2 (or more)types of SD. A 12 hour and a 6 hour.



2. Break the offerings to west coast and east coast so at least the participants are on essentially the same time schedule. The central time zoners can choose the one that works best for them or even have their own.



Just throwing this out for public consumption.

Given my experience with the first one, I would definitely do another.

[Gekko]

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

You then try to up the ante and ridiculously speculate about a call at work. That doesn't help anything, does it? I upped the "ante"??? kevin was in the wrong, and even after he apologized, bobby found it necessary to correct kevin's "apology" post. i think it's 100% ridiculous that someone would google you and call oyu at home. maybe you don't but i do. if he calls your house, why not your work??



jack, you are always one day late in trying to be a MB cop against me.



in any event, this issue is over.



[ February 23, 2010, 10:57 AM: Message edited by: Gekko ]

[The Mighty Men]

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

You then try to up the ante and ridiculously speculate about a call at work. That doesn't help anything, does it? I upped the "ante"??? kevin was in the wrong, and even after he apologized, bobby found it necessary to correct kevin's "apology" post. i think it's 100% ridiculous that someone would google you and call oyu at home. maybe you don't but i do. if he calls your house, why not your work??



jack, you are always one day late in trying to be a MB cop against me.



in any event, this issue is over. [/QUOTE]Read your post directly above. Who is being the message board cop?

[Gekko]

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

You then try to up the ante and ridiculously speculate about a call at work. That doesn't help anything, does it? I upped the "ante"??? kevin was in the wrong, and even after he apologized, bobby found it necessary to correct kevin's "apology" post. i think it's 100% ridiculous that someone would google you and call oyu at home. maybe you don't but i do. if he calls your house, why not your work??



jack, you are always one day late in trying to be a MB cop against me.



in any event, this issue is over. [/QUOTE]Read your post directly above. Who is being the message board cop? [/QUOTE]YOU are trying to correct my MB posts...hence MB cop. don't you have better things to do with your time? seriously.

[The Mighty Men]

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

You then try to up the ante and ridiculously speculate about a call at work. That doesn't help anything, does it? I upped the "ante"??? kevin was in the wrong, and even after he apologized, bobby found it necessary to correct kevin's "apology" post. i think it's 100% ridiculous that someone would google you and call oyu at home. maybe you don't but i do. if he calls your house, why not your work??



jack, you are always one day late in trying to be a MB cop against me.



in any event, this issue is over. [/QUOTE]Read your post directly above. Who is being the message board cop? [/QUOTE]YOU are trying to correct my MB posts...hence MB cop. don't you have better things to do with your time? seriously. [/QUOTE]My goodness what a hypocrite.

[The Mighty Men]

Originally posted by Gekko:

googling your name and calling you...that's a first. no way i would stand for that. i'd post the guys name here so we can all avoid him like the plague.



one thing i will note after being in a couple slow drafts is that some people don't have access during the day and can tie up drafts all day long. frustrating for all owners except that one. some owners take it upon themselves to seek "revenge"...in the form of having it out with the owner in the chat box, slowing down their picks out of spite, etc...



in fine, while it's shocking someone would call your HOME, it doesn't surprsie me. some people are aholes Post any names today, Mr. Cop?



Call anyone an ahole today, Mr. Cop?

[Gekko]

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

Post any names today, Mr. Cop?



Call anyone an ahole today, Mr. Cop? jack - if you have an axe to grind, please do it in private and stop infecting the nfbc boards.



the guy apologized and it is over from what i can tell. thx

[Terry Pass]

I've done about five or six slow drafts. The quick analysis is (as was mentioned earlier) about 30-35 picks per day. This is pretty much standard. The way to speed it up is put a one-hour clock from picks 31-45. If you can't check in, then put a lot of players in your queue on go on auto until you can check in. This would cut 4 or 5 days off the draft.

[The Mighty Men]

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

Post any names today, Mr. Cop?



Call anyone an ahole today, Mr. Cop? jack - if you have an axe to grind, please do it in private and stop infecting the nfbc boards.



the guy apologized and it is over from what i can tell. thx [/QUOTE]I have no axe to grind. And please live up to the same "stop infecting the message board" standard that you just set. Awesome. Thanks.

[Gekko]

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

I have no axe to grind. And please live up to the same "stop infecting the message board" standard that you just set. Awesome. Thanks. you can talk with yourself on this thread moving forward. goodbye jack.

[The Mighty Men]

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

I have no axe to grind. And please live up to the same "stop infecting the message board" standard that you just set. Awesome. Thanks. you can talk with yourself on this thread moving forward. goodbye jack. [/QUOTE]goodbye mark.

[DoubleX]

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

[QUOTE] And please live up to the same "stop infecting the message board" standard that you just set. Awesome. Thanks. Couldn't agree more with that. First thing I though was 1)Gekko stirring the pot 2)He should practice what he preaches.

[team z]

Perhaps this book could be of use?



[ February 24, 2010, 07:27 AM: Message edited by: the untouchables ]

[TOXIC ASSETS]

Unfortunately what happened in slow draft 4 is a sympton of our entire society....rush rush rush. Especially with younger folks who have grown up with the internet / cell phone / text messaging. We are so used to instant gratification with everything, and that problem nearly brought down the entire economy in 2008.