Now Presenting: Conditional Bid DEMO!!!

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:38 am

Owner 1 bids

Jon Lester $1

B.J. Upton $50

Owner 2 bids

Jason Heyward $3

Joe Nathan $200

Owner 3 bids

Joe Nathan $2

Jason Hayward $1

Owner 1 gets Lester for $1

Owner 2 gets Heyward for $3

Owner 3 gets Nathan for $2

All bids were unopposed.

[ March 06, 2010, 06:39 AM: Message edited by: Gekko ]

viper · Post by **viper** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:41 am

My thought on this style of FAAB bidding is that it is bad. For every year of the NFBC, bid resolution was based on whoever had the highest primary bid for a player. Suddenly things are changing. Not everyone reads these boards all the time. Maybe they should but they don't. An assumption is that without a major announcement sent to all explaining changes, a significant change like this is going to cause a lot of grief the first week(s) when FAAB bids are processed. And that's assuming the first week goes well.

I am reminded of something a famous sage once said:

"Lucy, you've got some 'splainin' to do!"

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:41 am

I have a feeling this new type of bidding will be tough to explain and some owners will feel like they got ripped off come FAAB sunday.

remember we are only using 2 or 3 owner examples. imagine how complicated it will be when 15 owners are bidding and listing 10 conditional bids for each of their pickups.

trying explaining that! i'm a fan of KISS. keep the current system of highest bid wins the player/ easy to administer and easy to explain.

Nutty Scrats · Post by **Nutty Scrats** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:55 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

who wins heyward and for how much?

Owner 1 bids...

Heyward $1

Heyward $2

Heyward $3

Heyward $4

Heyward $5

Heyward $6

Heyward $7

Heyward $8

Heyward $9

Heyward $10

Owner 2 bids...

Lester $5

Heyward $5

Owner 3 bids...

Lester $10 Team 1 Heyward for $6. Since there was no higher bid than team 2 for Heyward for $5. Team 1 should get him for $6. Doesn;t seem right that someone should be able to do this but if the system allows it than no problem. Just opens another can of worms.

[ March 06, 2010, 06:57 AM: Message edited by: Nutty Scrat ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:36 am

sundays with auction style bidding...

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:37 am

then this...

viper · Post by **viper** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:44 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

I have a feeling this new type of bidding will be tough to explain and some owners will feel like they got ripped off come FAAB sunday.

remember we are only using 2 or 3 owner examples. imagine how complicated it will be when 15 owners are bidding and listing 10 conditional bids for each of their pickups.

trying explaining that! i'm a fan of KISS. keep the current system of highest bid wins the player/ easy to administer and easy to explain. well said.

The current system is easy to explain to new people and many vets. This concept may be good for some but I would love to see the logic chart on how bids are resolved with 15 owners bidding and all using multiple cases of conditional bids being higher. I too can see a lot of complaints after the first week of bidding. [when will be the first live week of bidding?] And correcting any errors would be impossible to do prior to that first Monday game when lineups are set. At least the Monday morning game in Boston isn't until the third week of the season.

team z · Post by **team z** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:57 am

While the gamblers and sharks continue to push this f**king loser idea of FAAB to confuse and frustrate as much of the competition as possible and to insure they will have access to all players at all times, this enters a whole new realm of confusion.

Gee that whole simple last to first weekly draft with players listed by round in which they are wanted is just too simple and fair. Can't have that.

JamesH · Post by **JamesH** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:00 am

NFBC needs to make sure the ladder bidding system is impossible. We should only be able to list one bid amount per player. This has been the case in the past, correct?

ALL-IN JD · Post by **ALL-IN JD** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:00 am

So why are you playing here? Pick up your ball and go play elsewhere.

JamesH · Post by **JamesH** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:02 am

Originally posted by the untouchables:

While the gamblers and sharks continue to push this f**king loser idea of FAAB to confuse and frustrate as much of the competition as possible and to insure they will have access to all players at all times, this enters a whole new realm of confusion.

Gee that whole simple last to first weekly draft with players listed by round in which they are wanted is just too simple and fair. Can't have that. Dude, the FAAB system is far superior to worst team first. It's not even close.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:05 am

Guys, I was the one who suggested to Fanball that we allow the system to give owners the chance to rank their conditional bids rather than run them by highest bid down. If this isn't something you folks want and you think it may be confusing, then I'll step in now and stop the programming this way. Again, this was my idea from suggestions you folks gave me.

Right now the computer would look at everyone's TOP BID for each player and run accordingly. TOP BID is what the computer would go through to award the free agent you'd get.

If you feel we should go back to the way we had it where all bids are ranked by dollar values and you can't adjust your conditional bids, then we'll do it. In fact, I'll call the gang today and get it done that way. I was the one who suggested this, but will change it before we get any further because we have time to.

Thanks for the feedback.

Now, keep the suggestions on the interface coming. We'll analyze each suggestion. Thanks.

JamesH · Post by **JamesH** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:11 am

I think being able to list different players as conditional bids at higher amounts is great. I just don't think you should be able to make more than one bid amount for any one player. For instance:

1. Banks $62

2. Santo $74

3. Jenkins $81

4. Banks $83

5. Banks $110

The first three are great. The last two should be forbidden.

[ March 06, 2010, 08:12 AM: Message edited by: Beezman ]

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:11 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Guys, I was the one who suggested to Fanball that we allow the system to give owners the chance to rank their conditional bids rather than run them by highest bid down. If this isn't something you folks want and you think it may be confusing, then I'll step in now and stop the programming this way. Again, this was my idea from suggestions you folks gave me.

Right now the computer would look at everyone's TOP BID for each player and run accordingly. TOP BID is what the computer would go through to award the free agent you'd get.

If you feel we should go back to the way we had it where all bids are ranked by dollar values and you can't adjust your conditional bids, then we'll do it. In fact, I'll call the gang today and get it done that way. I was the one who suggested this, but will change it before we get any further because we have time to.

Thanks for the feedback.

Now, keep the suggestions on the interface coming. We'll analyze each suggestion. Thanks. Ummmm, no.

This is a great improvement and honestly not as complicated as some are making it out here using worst case scenerios & examples of potential scheming & treachery.

Just put in the controls that KJ suggested earlier and all potential backdoor scamming will be thwarted.

I can't see how anything that puts more control in the hands of the player can be considered a bad thing.

Glenn

team z · Post by **team z** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:11 am

Originally posted by Beezman:

quote:Originally posted by the untouchables:

While the gamblers and sharks continue to push this f**king loser idea of FAAB to confuse and frustrate as much of the competition as possible and to insure they will have access to all players at all times, this enters a whole new realm of confusion.

Gee that whole simple last to first weekly draft with players listed by round in which they are wanted is just too simple and fair. Can't have that. Dude, the FAAB system is far superior to worst team first. It's not even close. [/QUOTE]Cool, please help me understand why. Could you elaborate on what makes FAAB a FAIR and less confusing system then last to first draft?

JamesH · Post by **JamesH** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:17 am

Originally posted by the untouchables:

quote:Originally posted by Beezman:

quote:Originally posted by the untouchables:

While the gamblers and sharks continue to push this f**king loser idea of FAAB to confuse and frustrate as much of the competition as possible and to insure they will have access to all players at all times, this enters a whole new realm of confusion.

Gee that whole simple last to first weekly draft with players listed by round in which they are wanted is just too simple and fair. Can't have that. Dude, the FAAB system is far superior to worst team first. It's not even close. [/QUOTE]Cool, please help me understand why. Could you elaborate on what makes FAAB a FAIR and less confusing system then last to first draft? [/QUOTE]1. It allows all teams the ability to pick up a player. Just bid the most and he's yours. If you don't have enough money, that's your problem.

2. It adds additional strategy to the game. A team could save money until the second half of the season or spend a fortune on an early season call-up. It gives the owner more control over his or her team.

3. It eliminates a small element of luck. Why should the worst team be rewarded for having a bad team?

4. A team that's in last in the early week might also be the best team that has started slow.

JamesH · Post by **JamesH** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:18 am

I forgot something. It's not confusing at all. Each team has $1,000 to spend however they'd like. Bid as much or as little as you want.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:34 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

who wins heyward and for how much?

Owner 1 bids...

Heyward $1

Heyward $2

Heyward $3

Heyward $4

Heyward $5

Heyward $6

Heyward $7

Heyward $8

Heyward $9

Heyward $10

Owner 2 bids...

Lester $5

Heyward $5

Owner 3 bids...

Lester $10 I'm pretty sure the system doesn't allow you to list the same player more than once.

team z · Post by **team z** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:36 am

Originally posted by Beezman:

quote:Originally posted by the untouchables:

quote:Originally posted by Beezman:

quote:Originally posted by the untouchables:

While the gamblers and sharks continue to push this f**king loser idea of FAAB to confuse and frustrate as much of the competition as possible and to insure they will have access to all players at all times, this enters a whole new realm of confusion.

Gee that whole simple last to first weekly draft with players listed by round in which they are wanted is just too simple and fair. Can't have that. Dude, the FAAB system is far superior to worst team first. It's not even close. [/QUOTE]Cool, please help me understand why. Could you elaborate on what makes FAAB a FAIR and less confusing system then last to first draft? [/QUOTE]1. It allows all teams the ability to pick up a player. Just bid the most and he's yours. If you don't have enough money, that's your problem.

2. It adds additional strategy to the game. A team could save money until the second half of the season or spend a fortune on an early season call-up. It gives the owner more control over his or her team.

3. It eliminates a small element of luck. Why should the worst team be rewarded for having a bad team?

4. A team that's in last in the early week might also be the best team that has started slow. [/QUOTE]None of that changes the confusion of the bidding system itself. How about a weekly live auction?

One more question regarding the FAAB system. Can you change the player being cut for every bid? If so will you see that player listed with the bid?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:38 am

Originally posted by Beezman:

NFBC needs to make sure the ladder bidding system is impossible. We should only be able to list one bid amount per player. This has been the case in the past, correct? That is still the case, I believe. One bid amount per player. You can use that same player in different player pickups, but just once within that one FAAB bid.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:45 am

Personally, I think it is great.

We haven't had this before because STATS couldn't change it that way.

I'm confused easily, and it is simple to me .

Insted of highest bid, it is highest placement, no big deal.

george k · Post by **george k** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:06 am

First thought is please go back to last year. I feel 100% stupid when before just a computer dummy. OK where to start?? The names from your first bid disappear??? The names and statistics are all over the page???? The bid amounts decrease (62 60 55 29 dollars ) to save a few bucks???? I know you do not like change when you get old, but compared to last years process I think right now this could be one big mess. Been wrong before, but confused???????

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:29 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Guys, I was the one who suggested to Fanball that we allow the system to give owners the chance to rank their conditional bids rather than run them by highest bid down. If this isn't something you folks want and you think it may be confusing, then I'll step in now and stop the programming this way. Again, this was my idea from suggestions you folks gave me.

The old way of highest bid/ highest priority was simple and effective.

The danger in allowing lower bids on higher priorities is that laddered bidding (see my first post here and gekko's subsequent post) can trick the system. If someone figures out how to trick the system the whole contest is compromised.

I prefer the old method, and I think you'll have less confusion on the part of players. FWIW, Fantasy Jungle used the proposed new method, so vets of that contest may like it.

[ March 06, 2010, 09:51 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Asumijet · Post by **Asumijet** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:50 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

who wins heyward and for how much?

Owner 1 bids...

Heyward $1

Heyward $2

Heyward $3

Heyward $4

Heyward $5

Heyward $6

Heyward $7

Heyward $8

Heyward $9

Heyward $10

Owner 2 bids...

Lester $5

Heyward $5

Owner 3 bids...

Lester $10 I'm pretty sure the system doesn't allow you to list the same player more than once. [/QUOTE]The system should allow you to list the same player more than once, as a participant may want to drop different players to get the same player due to teh results of other bids.

One other thing I noticed, as I played with the system--- I selected a player, then hit conditional bid, then went to sort stats in order to select the next player, and whe I sorted the orginal bid/selection disappeared.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:50 am

Greg, I am in favor of this method. I'll make that perfectly clear.

BUT, the number one rule in any fantasy sports endeavor is to never change rules after sign ups.

This rule trumps every other rule or suggestion.

Again,I am in favor, but not this year.