Main event - 2 weekends- fair or unfair

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:13 pm

I know it was discussed in the winter but I was wondering...

The main event had the distinction, unlike the online championships last year, of a tournament where all of the leagues draft same day, same time. One team per owner. No second chances.

This year there are 2 main event weeknends. For those owners who draft on both weekends, is it an advantage to have 2 teams? Disadvantage? Fair to other owners with one team or unfair? In another world, money and sales aside, would it be best to have 1 main event like 2009 (and all previous years) or 2 weekends of the main event like this year?

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:58 pm

I know I have busted your balls a few times so I hope you do not take my response as antagonistic...

Why debate it now? It gets the people against it riled up and they can do absolutely nothing about it. It is going to happen and I would bet a large sum of money it happens every year.

I am on record as liking the idea. It allows more people to participate. I see it as competing against 434 other entries not 434 or 404 other people. The bottom line is IMO they have done a great job of marketing it this year- but would have stayed flat in the main event without it.

I can certainly see validity in the other side's opinion, but this one is here to stay....

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:21 pm

It's fair. Just like buying a lotto ticket. You have the choice of buying more than one. :rolleyes:

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:05 pm

Agree with all of the above re: the benefit of expansion (and mostly expansion among the same folks)

What I do concede is that since this money maker has gone into effect...the prestige is gone.

Period.

Argue all you want about money made and such...but the actual prestige of winning the main event is gone.

Nothing wrong with that...just don't try to sell prestige ever again.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:10 pm

Prestige is a very pathetic thing anyway, but nonetheless...it is used very often in marketing...

1 : standing or estimation in the eyes of people : weight or credit in general opinion

2 : commanding position in people's minds

1.reputation or influence arising from success, achievement, rank, or other favorable attributes.

2.distinction or reputation attaching to a person or thing and thus possessing a cachet for others or for the public

DrDobs · Post by **DrDobs** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:16 pm

I'll second the fact that bringing it up at this point is probably not the right time, it's clearly happening and will probably happen this way in the future.

With that said, the comment above referencing buying a lotto ticket and comparing that to competing in the NFBC if completely off mark.

Unlike playing in the lottery, what we're trying to achieve here is to crown the best fantasy baseball player in the country. In the Lotto, we're not trying to determine who's the best lotto player.

In no championship event does one unit or one team have the benefit of competing twice against their competition which competes just once. Even the mighty Yankeess with all financial prowess are still bound by the same rules of their competition which is the same 25-man roster, and the same 162 games, 3 outs in an inning, 9 innings in a game, etc.

They didn't need two dates last year to sell out, they wouldn't have needed it this year.

There, I wasn't paying close enough attention until recently when I learned it had gone this way and I must admit I'm very sad it has gone in this direction. Two weekends of Fantasy Baseball events is great, but there should have always been one main event, taking place at one place in time, crowning one champion and ranking each player once.

Jon

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:04 pm

I can't draft the weekend of Week 2.

I look forward to drafting a few players in the 20's that will go around rd 12 Week 2.

waiverwire · Post by **waiverwire** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:40 pm

Even the mighty Yankeess with all financial prowess are still bound by the same rules of their competition which is the same 25-man roster, and the same 162 games, 3 outs in an inning, 9 innings in a game, etc....as are the players on people's NFBC teams.

And like the guy buying two teams in the NFBC, the Yankees have double the resources (actually much more than double) to try to get players to accumulate wins in those 162 games.

Jim Christie · Post by **Jim Christie** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:32 pm

Let me point out that Lindy had 1 ONLINE team last year; a number of owners had 3 teams. Many of the owners who had 3 teams were TOP players in the game. I don't think it bothered Lindy.

That said, I do not like the idea of drafting on 2 different weekend and I believe it will go back to 1 weekend for the Main Event next year. If I am wrong and it stays at 2, I will accept it.

I am playing 2 Main Event teams this year; did I do it to gain an advantage? Nope, I added Atlantic City because I had the opportunity to team up with a good friend.

Finally, as stated above, there is no reason to rekindle this debate on 3/13. Acceptance is a wonderful thing; it saved my life over 25 years ago.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:45 pm

Originally posted by rkulaski:

I know it was discussed in the winter but I was wondering...

The main event had the distinction, unlike the online championships last year, of a tournament where all of the leagues draft same day, same time. One team per owner. No second chances.

This year there are 2 main event weeknends. For those owners who draft on both weekends, is it an advantage to have 2 teams? Disadvantage? Fair to other owners with one team or unfair? In another world, money and sales aside, would it be best to have 1 main event like 2009 (and all previous years) or 2 weekends of the main event like this year? The timing of this post is interesting, to say the least. But what the heck.

Last year we had 390 unique owners in the NFBC's main event. This year we have MORE THAN 390 unique owners in the main event. There is no doubt that if we had just one weekend this year we would not have 390+ teams in the main event this year. Some owners have local league drafts on the 27th and just can't make it to our event that weekend. Some owners are in Las Vegas for March Madness first weekend and wouldn't return the second weekend.

If there is an advantage in one weekend over the other weekend and you can identify that RIGHT NOW, then do all you can to draft that weekend. I don't see it because 15 good owners are sitting at the same table at the same time with the same rules and each have to win their league title first. Who has the advantage at that table?

But enjoy the discussion. As you said, it has been discussed already.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:50 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Agree with all of the above re: the benefit of expansion (and mostly expansion among the same folks)

What I do concede is that since this money maker has gone into effect...the prestige is gone.

Period.

Argue all you want about money made and such...but the actual prestige of winning the main event is gone.

Nothing wrong with that...just don't try to sell prestige ever again. Lance, let's admit that you're not even in the main event. You don't even realize that we don't have the same folks drafting twice in big numbers as you state. And let's admit that you are such a big promoter of another football event that not only drafts at different times but has more online drafters than live drafters. Is the prestige gone (or was never there) from your favorite FFPC?

Please on the prestige thing here. There are going to be 435 owners fighting for the overall title and 390+ will be unique owners. If you think it's not tough to beat this field, then get off the sidelines and play the game. Sheesh. Whoever wins the NFBC this year will have earned it as well as when Artie Rastelli won it, Brian Oldenski won it, David DiDonato won it, Terry Haney won, Bobby Jurney won it and Lindy Hinkelman won it.

Get in the game before calling out this year's winner. Crazy.

Jim Christie · Post by **Jim Christie** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:52 pm

Is it 5:45am in Wisconsin

? Another morning person...

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:15 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

The timing of this post is interesting, to say the least. But what the heck.

Last year we had 390 unique owners in the NFBC's main event. This year we have MORE THAN 390 unique owners in the main event. There is no doubt that if we had just one weekend this year we would not have 390+ teams in the main event this year. Some owners have local league drafts on the 27th and just can't make it to our event that weekend. Some owners are in Las Vegas for March Madness first weekend and wouldn't return the second weekend.

If there is an advantage in one weekend over the other weekend and you can identify that RIGHT NOW, then do all you can to draft that weekend. I don't see it because 15 good owners are sitting at the same table at the same time with the same rules and each have to win their league title first. Who has the advantage at that table?

But enjoy the discussion. As you said, it has been discussed already. greg,

a successful business model HAS to be the #1 priority for the nfbc. just understand that some people may not like it, and won't play. NO PROBLEM as far as i'm concerned. if the nfbc (or any contest) can't fill their events), WE ALL LOSE.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. THE MAJORITY OF US APPRECIATE IT

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:17 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Lance, let's admit that you're not even in the main event. You don't even realize that we don't have the same folks drafting twice in big numbers as you state. And let's admit that you are such a big promoter of another football event that not only drafts at different times but has more online drafters than live drafters. Is the prestige gone (or was never there) from your favorite FFPC?

Please on the prestige thing here. There are going to be 435 owners fighting for the overall title and 390+ will be unique owners. If you think it's not tough to beat this field, then get off the sidelines and play the game. Sheesh. Whoever wins the NFBC this year will have earned it as well as when Artie Rastelli won it, Brian Oldenski won it, David DiDonato won it, Terry Haney won, Bobby Jurney won it and Lindy Hinkelman won it.

Get in the game before calling out this year's winner. Crazy. lance isn't even playing?!?!? haha! and he's talking about prestige???

lance, no offense, but YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. HOW ABOUT YOU WIN AN NFBC LEAGUE BEFORE YOU TALK ABOUT PRESTIGE. DAMN!!

Potter · Post by **Potter** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:32 am

Did someone steal Gekko's password?

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:42 am

Originally posted by Potter:

Did someone steal Gekko's password?

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:45 am

Originally posted by waiverwire:

Even the mighty Yankeess with all financial prowess are still bound by the same rules of their competition which is the same 25-man roster, and the same 162 games, 3 outs in an inning, 9 innings in a game, etc....as are the players on people's NFBC teams.

And like the guy buying two teams in the NFBC, the Yankees have double the resources (actually much more than double) to try to get players to accumulate wins in those 162 games. I completely disagree with this.

It's not like the people drafting two teams can COMBINE their teams for one "super" team.

As someone who has drafted two teams in football at two separate times for one grand prize, I can tell you that it can sometimes "screw you up".

What I mean is that often when you drafted player A the week before, and you have the opportunity to draft him again the next weekend, you may pass because you don't want all your eggs in one basket. Player A goes on to be a monster, while the player who you never would have taken had you not had two teams is a complete disappointment.

Also, if everyone has say 2 hours on Sunday to dedicate to FAAB, they have to SPLIT their time between two teams, which would be 1 hour less (per team) than the person who only has one team. I call THAT a disadvantage.

And don't forget, people with two teams are risking TWICE the amount of $$$ to play. Yes, they get two chances, but they do it because they LOVE the game.

People who say "it's not fair they have two teams" will NEVER understand the time that goes in to owning multiple (and by that I mean MANY) teams in a season. It is a second job, and this is America. If people have the resources to play in 2 main events...... I say go for it!!!

You may ask, "Why aren't you in two main events?" Well, it is simple....

I am merely a teacher and athletic director in VA. However, I do spend approximately 20% of my yearly salary on fantasy football because it has been a source of 2nd income for me.

This will be my 2nd year in the NFBC (played satellites the 2 previous years), and quite honestly, I need to find out if I am "good enough" to play in two main events.

If in fact I feel this too can be a way to supplement my income, you can damn well better believe I will have two teams in the main event and maybe a higher stakes league as well next year!

Keep fighting the good fight, and super job exceeding expectations yet again this year, Greg!

[ March 13, 2010, 07:00 AM: Message edited by: billywaz ]

Babe Ruthless · Post by **Babe Ruthless** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:36 am

Whether there is one weekend or two for the main event, those participating all knew the rules going in. I would think that if you shelled out that much money, you would have considered all factors. I did.

I feel those drafting the 2nd weekend have an advantage over players participating in the 1st week in avoiding Joe Nathan type situations.

But this is interesting discussion for next.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:36 am

I'll say right off that I'm a huge fan of what the NFBC/Fanball has done this year. For those who think the two weekend event/Main is not already considered a huge success and a permanent contest fixture by those who run the show here, think again. Fanball has already changed their original stance & unofficially announced a two weekend event for the NFFC, and the contests they'll be challenging in that sport are much more ominous than those in baseball.

The two weekend event & Main is here to stay and I say great. As a consumer, it gives me options. I have the option to play the 1st weekend, the 2nd weekend, or both. I have the option to play at any of a multitude of cities that I may want to visit or play online if need be. I have the option to have one Main Event team or two, or even none trying an Auction, Double Play, Super, or Satellite instead if not happy with the Main Event format. I don't really get why being given MORE choices is considered a problem by so many here. Choices is what we should want. I say give me more contests, more choices within contests, more dates for those choices, etc. etc. etc., and let me choose what I want. Don't put limits on me, my wife already does that...

Also for those who think having multiple teams gives those with multiple teams an advantage in winning the overall, you are mathematically incorrect. One entry still controls one team. Whether an owner has one team or two different teams, each entry stands on its own and is independent of the other. For those who play Fantasy Football & are familiar with the FFOC, one of the contest participants, a member of the NFBC/NFFC community in fact, bought and ran over 100 teams. There was an uproar on the message boards, some arguing that it gave him too much of a chance to win. Though he did incredibly well in my mind, in the end he did not even make the Vegas bracket (top 15). In fact, I believe the overall winner had only one full priced team and won with a discounted team (which then became the issue other participants complained about :rolleyes: ).

Greg, Tom, Ryan, keep up the good work. I'm hoping you extend to a month of live contests.

Glenn

[ March 13, 2010, 07:46 AM: Message edited by: Glenneration X ]

Babe Ruthless · Post by **Babe Ruthless** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:38 am

oops meant to say interesting subject for next year.

Cowboy Joe · Post by **Cowboy Joe** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:25 am

On a related subject -- for players with two main event teams and multiple online/live double play teams, how are the links between main event and online teams made to qualify for the the $75K bonus?

My concern is that a player shouldn't be allowed the benefit of all possible combinations. For example, Joe Blow owns 2 main event teams and 3 online/live double play teams. He should get 3 combinations, each online team tied to one and only one main event team (That main event team could be different for each online team). He should not be allowed all 6 possible combinations:

online 1 - main event 1

online 1 - main event 2

online 2 - main event 1

online 2 - main event 2

online 3 - main event 1

online 3 - main event 2

How will a player declare which links he wants and how will that declaration be recorded for public viewing?

My apologies if this topic has been discussed elsewhere. I didn't see it.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:35 am

Originally posted by Cowboy Joe:

On a related subject -- for players with two main event teams and multiple online/live double play teams, how are the links between main event and online teams made to qualify for the the $75K bonus?

My concern is that a player shouldn't be allowed the benefit of all possible combinations. For example, Joe Blow owns 2 main event teams and 3 online/live double play teams. He should get 3 combinations, each online team tied to one and only one main event team (That main event team could be different for each online team). He should not be allowed all 6 possible combinations:

online 1 - main event 1

online 1 - main event 2

online 2 - main event 1

online 2 - main event 2

online 3 - main event 1

online 3 - main event 2

How will a player declare which links he wants and how will that declaration be recorded for public viewing?

My apologies if this topic has been discussed elsewhere. I didn't see it. Why is this a concern of yours regarding the bonus? You work for the insurance company?

Why should someone have to declare a tie-in between teams? If you had two or three Online teams last year, they each tied into your Main Event team for both the Lindy bonus & the combined standings. The same concept should apply this year with the multiple Main Event owners. A precedent is already in place.

Glenn

DrDobs · Post by **DrDobs** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:36 am

Originally posted by waiverwire:

Even the mighty Yankeess with all financial prowess are still bound by the same rules of their competition which is the same 25-man roster, and the same 162 games, 3 outs in an inning, 9 innings in a game, etc....as are the players on people's NFBC teams.

And like the guy buying two teams in the NFBC, the Yankees have double the resources (actually much more than double) to try to get players to accumulate wins in those 162 games. No, you didn't read this carefully... The yankees team has the same opportunity of wins and losses as every other team. Their resources are the equivelent of Ron Shandler bringing in a team of 5 people to help him manage his team (Yankees) versus Me (Padres) where I can only afford to buy his book and a magazine or two.

The Yankee analogy as giving somebody competative edge does not change the factors that take place in the game of play which is a level playing field for everybody. Why is this so hard for people to comprehend the very obvious difference?

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:04 am

Originally posted by Cowboy Joe:

On a related subject -- for players with two main event teams and multiple online/live double play teams, how are the links between main event and online teams made to qualify for the the $75K bonus?

My concern is that a player shouldn't be allowed the benefit of all possible combinations. For example, Joe Blow owns 2 main event teams and 3 online/live double play teams. He should get 3 combinations, each online team tied to one and only one main event team (That main event team could be different for each online team). He should not be allowed all 6 possible combinations:

online 1 - main event 1

online 1 - main event 2

online 2 - main event 1

online 2 - main event 2

online 3 - main event 1

online 3 - main event 2

How will a player declare which links he wants and how will that declaration be recorded for public viewing?

My apologies if this topic has been discussed elsewhere. I didn't see it. that's exactly how it is, otherwise i wouldn't have signed up for the Live Double Play

Cowboy Joe · Post by **Cowboy Joe** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:07 am

Ooops! Forgot that bonus was funded with an insurance policy. My mistake.