Utterly Ridiculous

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:56 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by jdryan:

I would rather pass on a pick. then pick a guy I do not want to look at all season. bill cleavenger and mighty men would say you were unprepared [/QUOTE]well, i guess i have come across like this..and i apologize..but i go into a draft like everybody else, with one exception, i'm ready when it's my turn no matter what. the one minute they accomadate me is plenty of time. i don't know what everybody goes into the draft with, but i have a clipboard and a red marker.

if you get into a "fast" draft with a PC, i can see that making it hard to keep up.

the simpler the better.

sorry if i stepped on anybody's toes in this thread.

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:56 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

it's not the facilitator pushing the draft, it's the players. WRONG - I've been in a league with this SAME exact facilitator and he moves fast. don't get me wrong, he's a great facilitator, knows most players, injects humor into the picks at the right time, etc..

however, i've seen his drafts finish before most. [/QUOTE]I don't know Mark. I think it was both. He did push the draft at a nice pace, but picks were being made real fast by the majority of owners.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:59 pm

Originally posted by RichV:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

it's not the facilitator pushing the draft, it's the players. WRONG - I've been in a league with this SAME exact facilitator and he moves fast. don't get me wrong, he's a great facilitator, knows most players, injects humor into the picks at the right time, etc..

however, i've seen his drafts finish before most. [/QUOTE]I don't know Mark. I think it was both. He did push the draft at a nice pace, but picks were being made real fast by the majority of owners. [/QUOTE]oh yes, i agree with this. facilitator was a pusher and the drafters were push'n right back.

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:59 pm

That's another reason the 4th-5th round pitcher run seemed so crazy. Not only did 9 or 10 pitchers go in 12-13 picks...It took about a minute, 30 seconds!!

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:59 pm

Originally posted by RichV:

That's another reason the 4th-5th round pitcher run seemed so crazy. Not only did 9 or 10 pitchers go in 12-13 picks...It took about a minute, 30 seconds!!

tru dat!

jdryan · Post by **jdryan** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:02 pm

Seems Like the OA will not come out of that draft/

But who Knows.

Tony Cincotta · Post by **Tony Cincotta** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:02 pm

Bill,

anywhere near Ashland, Kentucky ?

Tony

JaserD · Post by **JaserD** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:12 pm

Having drafted in one of the other AC leagues, it was crazy how quick Gekko and Rich's league was drafting compared to the other 2 leagues. I would think the main issue I would have has nothing to do with prep, but the time to locate and cross players off my list. It can be easy to miss a picked player and then inadvertantly pick him later (we had a few people forced to skip a pick late because they picked someone taken).

The SP run shouldn't be that surprising. The talent level drops off pretty quickly after the top 25-30 SP's and the run reinforces the fact that the league managers were prepared and willing to adapt from somewhat meaningless ADP data (as it relates to the draft unfolding in front of you) to real-time supply/demand.

Personally, I was hoping for a similar SP run (and the creation of some hitting value) in our league but it never unfolded.

jdryan · Post by **jdryan** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:14 pm

Jaser, I hope your Draft went well

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:15 pm

Originally posted by JaserD:

Having drafted in one of the other AC leagues, it was crazy how quick Gekko and Rich's league was drafting compared to the other 2 leagues. I would think the main issue I would have has nothing to do with prep, but the time to locate and cross players off my list. i was trying to keep track of players on 2 lists. i gave up on that after round 2. just moving too fast

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:17 pm

Originally posted by Tony Cincotta:

Bill,

anywhere near Ashland, Kentucky ?

Tony tony, good to hear from you again.

Ashland is on the other side of the state. on the WVa border. i'm in the west, close to Indiana and Illinois.

Closter Knickerbockers · Post by **Closter Knickerbockers** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:18 pm

Very interesting thread ... it will be interesting to see a season's end recap of how this league performed OA. It strikes me that the couple of guys who were trying to use their full time allotment may be very "process oriented" decision makers. Their "process" works well for them, and while they'll make adjustments in terms of needs-based outcomes, they won't compromise on their "process", or at least will try to minimize that degree of compromise. I don't think that's a bad thing. I've facilitated drafts in baseball and football ... totally don't understand pushing the pace from that end . The guys sitting around the horseshoe have (in some cases) traveled huge distances, spent hours preparing that only those in the fraternity can understand, and have forked over considerable coin for the privilege. You're there for the players' benefit. Do it right, not fast and keep those sightlines to the board wide open for the #1 and #15 seats as well as for the middle-seated guys. Now if they want to shout 'em out quick on their own, that's their choice, but rushing 'em from the board end ... why? Just run things by the stated (and repeated) rules. Sticker on, clock starts. Tremendously fair, and reduces grounds for anyone feeling they were treated unfairly.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:19 pm

Flatlander...anything east of Lexington becomes hill country

JaserD · Post by **JaserD** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:20 pm

Thanks Jody. Many great managers in my league...just hoping for a respectable showing!

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:21 pm

Originally posted by Closter Knickerbockers:

Very interesting thread ... it will be interesting to see a season's end recap of how this league performed OA. It strikes me that the couple of guys who were trying to use their full time allotment may be very "process oriented" decision makers. Their "process" works well for them, and while they'll make adjustments in terms of needs-based outcomes, they won't compromise on their "process", or at least will try to minimize that degree of compromise. I don't think that's a bad thing. I've facilitated drafts in baseball and football ... totally don't understand pushing the pace from that end . The guys sitting around the horseshoe have (in some cases) traveled huge distances, spent hours preparing that only those in the fraternity can understand, and have forked over considerable coin for the privilege. You're there for the players' benefit. Do it right, not fast and keep those sightlines to the board wide open for the #1 and #15 seats as well as for the middle-seated guys. Now if they want to shout 'em out quick on their own, that's their choice, but rushing 'em from the board end ... why? Just run things by the stated (and repeated) rules. Sticker on, clock starts. Tremendously fair, and reduces grounds for anyone feeling they were treated unfairly. YEP

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:27 pm

Originally posted by RichV:

That's another reason the 4th-5th round pitcher run seemed so crazy. Not only did 9 or 10 pitchers go in 12-13 picks...It took about a minute, 30 seconds!!

An average of 9 seconds for all of this to happen?????

Facilitator: Team 5 is on the clock

Team 5: Clayton Kershawn

Facilitator: Team 5 selects Clayton Kershaw

[waits for sticker to be placed on board]

Facilitator: Team 4 is on the clock

Repeat 10 times!

Closter Knickerbockers · Post by **Closter Knickerbockers** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:30 pm

I'll say from experience ... If you're the guy with the stack of pitching stickers and that's where you've been focusing the last couple of picks it really doesn't take long to find the next one and slap it up there !

Sebadiah23 · Post by **Sebadiah23** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:32 pm

We need the Warren Commission to do a time trial.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:34 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

Here were the starting pitchers OFF THE BOARD by my pick in the mid FIFTH round...

Lincecum

Halladay

CC

Hernandez

Haren

Greinke

Lester

Wainwright

Santana

Beckett

Hanson

Carpenter

Gallardo

Vazquez

Jimenez

Kershaw[smartass]Mark, you should have grabbed Verlander at 5.06!

[/smartass]

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:38 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

Here were the starting pitchers OFF THE BOARD by my pick in the mid FIFTH round...

Lincecum

Halladay

CC

Hernandez

Haren

Greinke

Lester

Wainwright

Santana

Beckett

Hanson

Carpenter

Gallardo

Vazquez

Jimenez

Kershaw[smartass]Mark, you should have grabbed Verlander at 5.06!

[/smartass] [/QUOTE]no, while all this was going on, somebody's offense was getting stronger.. :rolleyes: and then he thinks, WTF, i'll stack up on offense, go the minimum IP route, go the relief pitcher option, forget the overall, try to win or get in the league money this weekend. regroup for next weekend.

[ March 21, 2010, 08:43 PM: Message edited by: Kentucky Reign ]

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:54 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by jdryan:

I would rather pass on a pick. then pick a guy I do not want to look at all season. bill cleavenger and mighty men would say you were unprepared [/QUOTE]That's not what I said at all. Go back and look at what I said, Mr. Sensitive.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:56 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Facilitator: Team 5 selects Clayton Kershaw

[waits for sticker to be placed on board]

Facilitator: Team 4 is on the clock

Repeat 10 times!

the "[waits for sticker to be placed on board]" didn't really happen.

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:57 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by RichV:

That's another reason the 4th-5th round pitcher run seemed so crazy. Not only did 9 or 10 pitchers go in 12-13 picks...It took about a minute, 30 seconds!!

An average of 9 seconds for all of this to happen?????

Facilitator: Team 5 is on the clock

Team 5: Clayton Kershawn

Facilitator: Team 5 selects Clayton Kershaw

[waits for sticker to be placed on board]

Facilitator: Team 4 is on the clock

Repeat 10 times!

[/QUOTE]That's about right. Maybe it was 1:45. Maybe 2 minutes. I didn't have a stop watch on the action. I was too busy trying to cross guys off my sheet faster than the sticker guy could find the name

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:57 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

Here were the starting pitchers OFF THE BOARD by my pick in the mid FIFTH round...

Lincecum

Halladay

CC

Hernandez

Haren

Greinke

Lester

Wainwright

Santana

Beckett

Hanson

Carpenter

Gallardo

Vazquez

Jimenez

Kershaw[smartass]Mark, you should have grabbed Verlander [/smartass] [/QUOTE]yep, add ANOTHER SP to the list!!!

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:00 pm

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

I thought you would be prepared for anything and everything.

[ March 21, 2010, 09:02 PM: Message edited by: Gekko ]