Utterly Ridiculous

[Gekko]

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Adp from sats are just a step better than mocks, but still a big step from the Main.



Now, if youcan get adp from the first weekend.... tell me how these picks will contain ANY value if included in a week one adp report...



C.Kershaw 4th round

G.Floyd 8th

E.Cabrera 9th

A.Escobar 10th

M.Bourne 10th

JA Happ 12th

M.Olivo 12th

N.Morgan 16th

[DOUGHBOYS]

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Adp from sats are just a step better than mocks, but still a big step from the Main.



Now, if youcan get adp from the first weekend.... tell me how these picks will contain ANY value if included in a week one adp report...



C.Kershaw 4th roundG.Floyd 8th

E.Cabrera 9th

A.Escobar 10th

M.Bourne 10th

JA Happ 12th

M.Olivo 12th

N.Morgan 16th [/QUOTE]It comes under the 'shitt happens' file.



We had Yunel Escobar taken in the 7th, Rollins in the first, Street didn't go till the 13th and Happ till the 17th...just some weird stuff from people with other ideas.

Morgan in the 16th? I hope that was you

[rkulaski]

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Adp from SATELITES, Mark?



Thats a different ballgame. adps from pay satellites vs what?



what is the better alternative measure of what other drafters will do? [/QUOTE]YOU, that is the better alternative.



You know that the better players don't draft in a Sat as they would for a Main. Those numbers are tainted. [/QUOTE]Aren't many guys in the satellites also in the main??



This will be my fourth year in the main and every year my experience has been that pitchers go earlier than they do according to the satellite adps. I guess this league they just went earlier even for a main event league. Will be interesting to see some of the teams posted from this league after next week.

[The Franchise]

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

it's not the facilitator pushing the draft, it's the players. WRONG - I've been in a league with this SAME exact facilitator and he moves fast. don't get me wrong, he's a great facilitator, knows most players, injects humor into the picks at the right time, etc..



however, i've seen his drafts finish before most. [/QUOTE]Mark, was he the same one in our Double play that night? I was in the league next to you but didn't pay attention to who were the facilitators.



If yes then I know exactly what your talking about.

[DoubleX]

Our most recent draft had 18 SP & 2 closers through 5 rounds and 26 SP's & 4 closers through 6.



I would bet everyone was prepared for what happened in my draft as well as this AC draft as it has happened to everyone before.



My question is: Doesn't some of the info in this topic go against the "spirit" of the quiet period between weekend drafts?



Just a question to be discussed like adults, don't anyone go get pissy with my question please.

[Doug Atkins]

Let me chime in from League 1 in Vegas. From reading the previous posts, it looks like our draft was "average". We had 12 pitchers gone by pick 5.6, and 14 after the fifth round. However, there were 11 taken in rounds 6 and 7. Lincecum didn't go until pick 2.4 and he was the first one. One different thing about our draft was that Hanley went first overall. By the way, someone asked when Childs took his first ace......I won't break the code of silence and tell you who he got, but he took a pitcher in round 3......Gekko, if Nyjer Morgan didn't go until round 16, then you made at least 5 bad picks.....you should have grabbed him....he went in the middle of round 10 in our draft, which I think is about right.....

[Gekko]

Originally posted by The Franchise:

Mark, was he the same one in our Double play that night? I was in the league next to you but didn't pay attention to who were the facilitators.



If yes then I know exactly what your talking about. yep, yep

[Gekko]

Originally posted by Doug Atkins:

Gekko, if Nyjer Morgan didn't go until round 16, then you made at least 5 bad picks.....you should have grabbed him....he went in the middle of round 10 in our draft, which I think is about right..... how do you know what my team looked like up till that point? maybe i didn't need speed. maybe i didn't want a player with a "groin" injury whose SOLE value is tied to his legs.

[billywaz]

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Adp from sats are just a step better than mocks, but still a big step from the Main.



Now, if youcan get adp from the first weekend.... tell me how these picks will contain ANY value if included in a week one adp report...



C.Kershaw 4th round

G.Floyd 8th

E.Cabrera 9th

A.Escobar 10th

M.Bourne 10th

JA Happ 12th

M.Olivo 12th

N.Morgan 16th [/QUOTE]I think "value" is a tricky word.



For me (and maybe I am the only one who feels like this), baseball drafts are like auctions....



it really doesn't matter who you get and where (in an auction, how much you pay), but more of what your team looks like at the end.



If I would have taken Billy Butler, Aaron Hill, Adam Lind, etc. in rounds 10-12 last year, people would have laughed and said I got "no value".



At the end of the day, I would have to disagree.



I realize you want to get players as late as possible, but in the end, you could end up getting "shut out" if you remain too rigid.



Not saying anyone did that....just an observation, as baseball and football seem completely different to me.



And I will say, baseball is GROWING on me!

[Ryan C]

Originally posted by DoubleX:

Our most recent draft had 18 SP & 2 closers through 5 rounds and 26 SP's & 4 closers through 6.



I would bet everyone was prepared for what happened in my draft as well as this AC draft as it has happened to everyone before.



My question is: Doesn't some of the info in this topic go against the "spirit" of the quiet period between weekend drafts?



Just a question to be discussed like adults, don't anyone go get pissy with my question please. Hey Jim - I'll answer your question first to provide a little buffer . It's a fair question, but here is part of the answer. The fact is we have never had multiple Main Event weekends before this year. So - this year you have a whole bunch of drafts now finished a week before the next round of drafts occurs.



Hard to expect people to not comment on their drafts especially when it seems that some unexpected stuff occurred. Could their be some underlying agendas - sure I guess. But as long as you are not calling out specific owners - it's well within the boundaries.



Take our RL draft. We have some owners heading into other drafts next week. I tried to take care not to mention any owners in discussing our draft so as to not expose anyone's strategy. At the same time I talked openly about the early run on SP's - something that was born out in these drafts.



Guys are always going to talk - it's just a matter of how much.



[ March 22, 2010, 08:11 AM: Message edited by: Ryan Carey ]

[Dickie V]

posted March 22, 2010 08:07 AM

quote:

Originally posted by DoubleX:

Our most recent draft had 18 SP & 2 closers through 5 rounds and 26 SP's & 4 closers through 6.



I would bet everyone was prepared for what happened in my draft as well as this AC draft as it has happened to everyone before.



My question is: Doesn't some of the info in this topic go against the "spirit" of the quiet period between weekend drafts?



Just a question to be discussed like adults, don't anyone go get pissy with my question please.

Hey Jim - I'll answer your question first to provide a little buffer . It's a fair question, but here is part of the answer. The fact is we have never had multiple Main Event weekends before this year. So - this year you have a whole bunch of drafts now finished a week before the next round of drafts occurs.



Hard to expect people to not comment on their drafts especially when it seems that some unexpected stuff occurred. Could their be some underlying agendas - sure I guess. But as long as you are not calling out specific owners - it's well within the boundaries.



Take our RL draft. We have some owners heading into other drafts next week. I tried to take care not to mention any owners in discussing our draft so as to not expose anyone's strategy. At the same time I talked openly about the early run on SP's - something that was born out in these drafts.



Guys are always going to talk - it's just a matter of how much.





Wow Ryan look at you all growed up now. I recall in a draft with you earlier this year you not only openly "exposed a certain drafter's strategy" but you plastered the entire draft results on a very popular web site.

[Dickie V]

well that didn't come out exactly as planned...but I'm sure you got the message

[CC's Desperados]

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:

This scenario is EXACTLY why I have always believed that you better take an ace early on. Year after year there is plenty of hitting. Year after year there is a lot less reliable pitching. Yet most people continue to try to win with hitting. There are going to be teams in this league that are at a disadvantage, right out of the gate. when does shawn childs normally take his ace? [/QUOTE]I'm the proud owner of Greinke

[CC's Desperados]

Originally posted by bustouts:

Regardless of the run on starters, the pace itself can throw you off your gameplan. I was in a draft 2 years ago and we finished an hour before the next closest draft. most others were only around round 20 when we were done. It doesnt give u a chance to weigh your options. I'll have to remember that for this weekend.



[ March 22, 2010, 09:31 AM: Message edited by: CC's Desperados ]

[Hard Heads]

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:

This scenario is EXACTLY why I have always believed that you better take an ace early on. Year after year there is plenty of hitting. Year after year there is a lot less reliable pitching. Yet most people continue to try to win with hitting. There are going to be teams in this league that are at a disadvantage, right out of the gate. when does shawn childs normally take his ace? [/QUOTE]I'm the proud owner of Greinke [/QUOTE]How dare you Shawn!!! You have revealed information and broken the rules!!! Looking forward to seeing you and the gang this weekend!

[CC's Desperados]

Originally posted by Hard Heads:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:

This scenario is EXACTLY why I have always believed that you better take an ace early on. Year after year there is plenty of hitting. Year after year there is a lot less reliable pitching. Yet most people continue to try to win with hitting. There are going to be teams in this league that are at a disadvantage, right out of the gate. when does shawn childs normally take his ace? [/QUOTE]I'm the proud owner of Greinke [/QUOTE]How dare you Shawn!!! You have revealed information and broken the rules!!! Looking forward to seeing you and the gang this weekend! [/QUOTE]Hell I'll post my whole team because I don't think it will flow the same way next weekend, but I do have too many drafts left to reveal too much.

[Ryan C]

Originally posted by Dickie V:

well that didn't come out exactly as planned...but I'm sure you got the message Hey whatever Rich- I got your message months ago in private - I took down that link very quickly and offered a private apology to you months ago for posting the results with owners names visible. It was an honest mistake that I made post draft. If you want to bring it up again now for all to see to try and make me look bad - okay - but I am not going to apologize again to you for something that happen after a Jan slow draft and in my mind was resolved amicably between us months ago. If it makes you feel better to basically call me out as being hypocritical - so be it.



As for talking about Mike's likely All-RP strategy going into that draft - I have no guilt whatsoever about that and specifically joined that draft BECAUSE he was in it. I talked about it before and after the draft. I don't like the strategy and I've made that clear by often speaking out against it's use. I felt that part of the price of lobbying against it's use was to actually play against it again this year - so I joined up and yes made it known on these boards why. The fact that Mike K. showed good humor about it and actually talked openly about the strategy DURING our draft was instructive to me and refreshing. If anyone had a reason to be upset it was Mike - but he just drafted his team (All-RP by the way) and I felt that his approach as well as the couple of other unique approaches in that draft (mine included) will actually make that a league that I will probably end up talking about again later in the year (don't worry - I'll make sure not to mention your team at all in subsequent posts). So did I have my own agenda in "outing" him prior to the draft - yes. Do I regret doing it - No. Because for me it was the purpose for doing that draft in the first place.



Only you know what your agenda was/is here but I hope you've gotten it out of your system now - we're all human - we all make mistakes - if so we own up to them or don't. Good day sir.

[Chest Rockwell]

[ March 22, 2010, 01:35 PM: Message edited by: Chest Rockwell ]

[Hawk]

I was in this draft as well - pick 10 - and what Gekko said was 100% true. It had nothing to do with the facilitator / sticker man. It had everything to do with 15 very prepared owners.

Even though it was super speed, it was a great time.

[Schwks]

Hey, as a second weekender only, thanks for this posting. I can now be prepared for both a) a quicker then expected pace and b)an earlier then expected pitcher run. Both things that I probably would have thought of, but not in real terms. Looking forward to drafting with you Gekko.

[poopy tooth]

Gekko - I hope this doesn't come across negatively, but owners who have played for several years have gotten use to things working out a certain way. When you infuse new blood - which is very welcome - some of the tried and true planning will go right out the window.



You're a very good player, so I'm sure you'll figure out something to help you out.



I was in the super yesterday, picking 9th - Lincecum came back to me, so I grabbed him and then Verlander in the 4th. I heard a couple people grumbling and then talking about it during breaks. I know one league vs. an overall is different strategies.



It just looks like there may be a changing of the guard, as far as strategies - closers seem to go later.



Good luck to you!

[beausole]

I'm the Vegas drafter mentioned earlier who went a little nuts with the starters at the front end. Not a pre-conceived strategy. Just who I thought was the best player available until I realized my co-owners might kill me if I added a fifth ace. Beauty of the main is that the continuous probability bell curve that the categories run across dings a lot louder (e.g., is bigger). I don't give a crap what other people pick and what runs are starting and going, I only care about value. Either that, or I was drunk.



What I don't get is any suggestion that this strategy screwed up others. (Nobody's done that for our league.) A bad pick is a bad pick. Every one that happens before you is a reason to celebrate. I'd say I really hope this screws folks up overthinking for week 2, but I'm one of those picking again this weekend. Like stocks or anything else, there are multiple ways to skin a cat. (Mixed metaphor.) My bet is that everyone of the folks complaining set their predraft selection preferences to the ends. Just a hunch.

[bustouts]

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Originally posted by bustouts:

Regardless of the run on starters, the pace itself can throw you off your gameplan. I was in a draft 2 years ago and we finished an hour before the next closest draft. most others were only around round 20 when we were done. It doesnt give u a chance to weigh your options.

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I'll have to remember that for this weekend.



i just became a bigger fan of greinke!!

[sportsbettingman]

Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:

The person that took 6 pitchers early i'd say 100% has another team drafting next weekend... Erah, we have a winnah!

[bjoak]

Originally posted by beausole:

I'm the Vegas drafter mentioned earlier who went a little nuts with the starters at the front end. Not a pre-conceived strategy. Just who I thought was the best player available until I realized my co-owners might kill me if I added a fifth ace. Beauty of the main is that the continuous probability bell curve that the categories run across dings a lot louder (e.g., is bigger). I don't give a crap what other people pick and what runs are starting and going, I only care about value. Either that, or I was drunk.



What I don't get is any suggestion that this strategy screwed up others. (Nobody's done that for our league.) A bad pick is a bad pick. Every one that happens before you is a reason to celebrate. I'd say I really hope this screws folks up overthinking for week 2, but I'm one of those picking again this weekend. Like stocks or anything else, there are multiple ways to skin a cat. (Mixed metaphor.) My bet is that everyone of the folks complaining set their predraft selection preferences to the ends. Just a hunch. You paid your money; do what you want, but since you seem clueless as to how it screws up others I'll fill you in. You are in an OVERALL competition. If your ERA is 3.00 and the next closest guy has a 4.00 because no one could get enough pitching depth (due to you), then the 4.00 guy may very well win the league with 14 points in ERA, but it is going to kill his chances in the overall.



Next week, also, you might want to keep in mind you are in a league with NO TRADES. Taking the best possible guy each time might look great in the round, but you will have a horrible team construction.