Formatting of stats reports

[Navel Lint]

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Plymouth:



AB H R HR RBI SB AVG



Where is this standard? It isn't a standard box score, it isn't on CBS and it isn't on wcofb/rt sports.



And please explain the logic. [/QUOTE]OK, I'll try...



The way it's set up now is pathetic. I guess you used logic when you told them this would be better than before, but it is not.



If you were making a business presentation and were using power point or slides...would you total up things anywhere but the right side or bottom?



It's simply how we read. Top left to bottom right. Same for bill totals, receipts, etc, etc, etc.



Having these stats END in R HR RBI SB AVG is very comfortable, and you trying to make everyone re-learn how to read a stat line is a bit silly IMO.



Like I said...Runs are placed in front of Home Runs, followed by RBI's in so many different baseball formats it's become the norm. Having a summary stat (like Average) at the far right is a great place for it, as it is a total from a calculation. (like a receipt)



It just makes sense to keep things the way we are comfortable looking them over. I'd say if you are going to tack on a bunch of other stuff...tack it one to the beginning of the rows (left side) as to keep the good old classic view un cluttered on the right side, in case one wishes to bypass all the clutter.



As long as the final five rows have R HR RBI SB AVG...knock yourself out with the logic of cluttering the left rows. CBS sucks...you have to dig through 2B BB 3B etc to find the counting stats.



The way it is set up now is pathetic. The daily summary should be at the bottom of the "starters". The hitters should be separated from the bench. Same for the Pitchers. Starters, then summary of the day below that, then bench. The weekly and yearly totals should be below that. It would make things crystal clear. [/QUOTE]Yeah! What he said

[KJ Duke]

Originally posted by Navel Lint:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Plymouth:



AB H R HR RBI SB AVG



Where is this standard? It isn't a standard box score, it isn't on CBS and it isn't on wcofb/rt sports.



And please explain the logic. [/QUOTE]OK, I'll try...



The way it's set up now is pathetic. I guess you used logic when you told them this would be better than before, but it is not.



If you were making a business presentation and were using power point or slides...would you total up things anywhere but the right side or bottom?



It's simply how we read. Top left to bottom right. Same for bill totals, receipts, etc, etc, etc.



Having these stats END in R HR RBI SB AVG is very comfortable, and you trying to make everyone re-learn how to read a stat line is a bit silly IMO.



Like I said...Runs are placed in front of Home Runs, followed by RBI's in so many different baseball formats it's become the norm. Having a summary stat (like Average) at the far right is a great place for it, as it is a total from a calculation. (like a receipt)



It just makes sense to keep things the way we are comfortable looking them over. I'd say if you are going to tack on a bunch of other stuff...tack it one to the beginning of the rows (left side) as to keep the good old classic view un cluttered on the right side, in case one wishes to bypass all the clutter.



As long as the final five rows have R HR RBI SB AVG...knock yourself out with the logic of cluttering the left rows. CBS sucks...you have to dig through 2B BB 3B etc to find the counting stats.



The way it is set up now is pathetic. The daily summary should be at the bottom of the "starters". The hitters should be separated from the bench. Same for the Pitchers. Starters, then summary of the day below that, then bench. The weekly and yearly totals should be below that. It would make things crystal clear. [/QUOTE]Yeah! What he said [/QUOTE]



[ April 08, 2010, 11:03 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

[Glenneration X]

Originally posted by Navel Lint:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Plymouth:



AB H R HR RBI SB AVG



Where is this standard? It isn't a standard box score, it isn't on CBS and it isn't on wcofb/rt sports.



And please explain the logic. [/QUOTE]OK, I'll try...



The way it's set up now is pathetic. I guess you used logic when you told them this would be better than before, but it is not.



If you were making a business presentation and were using power point or slides...would you total up things anywhere but the right side or bottom?



It's simply how we read. Top left to bottom right. Same for bill totals, receipts, etc, etc, etc.



Having these stats END in R HR RBI SB AVG is very comfortable, and you trying to make everyone re-learn how to read a stat line is a bit silly IMO.



Like I said...Runs are placed in front of Home Runs, followed by RBI's in so many different baseball formats it's become the norm. Having a summary stat (like Average) at the far right is a great place for it, as it is a total from a calculation. (like a receipt)



It just makes sense to keep things the way we are comfortable looking them over. I'd say if you are going to tack on a bunch of other stuff...tack it one to the beginning of the rows (left side) as to keep the good old classic view un cluttered on the right side, in case one wishes to bypass all the clutter.



As long as the final five rows have R HR RBI SB AVG...knock yourself out with the logic of cluttering the left rows. CBS sucks...you have to dig through 2B BB 3B etc to find the counting stats.



The way it is set up now is pathetic. The daily summary should be at the bottom of the "starters". The hitters should be separated from the bench. Same for the Pitchers. Starters, then summary of the day below that, then bench. The weekly and yearly totals should be below that. It would make things crystal clear. [/QUOTE]Yeah! What he said [/QUOTE]I couldn't have said it better sober.



Glenn

[KJ Duke]

I suppose the majority sheep will rule in the end. So far it's:



Sheep: 3

Logic: 1







[ April 08, 2010, 11:03 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

[Glenneration X]

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

I suppose the majority sheep will rule. So far it's:



Sheep: 3

Logic: 1



Logic is all well and good, but I personally would prefer not to have to scroll up to the top of the page every couple players to remember what column is for what stat.



Glenn

[KJ Duke]

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

I suppose the majority sheep will rule. So far it's:



Sheep: 3

Logic: 1



Logic is all well and good, but I personally would prefer not to have to scroll up to the top of the page every couple players to remember what column is for what stat.



Glenn [/QUOTE]me too

[Plymouth]

KJ,

Standard box scores are



AB R H RBI AVG



They don't include HR and SB and list them below.



Most baseball magazines including Fanballs Fantasy Sports list it as follows:



AB R H HR RBS SB AVG



I can live with it this in this standard method. You keep saying your method is logical, logical to whom? You? Your logic seems to make sense to you but I didn't know you spoke for everyone. Now when we sugest alternate methods, you belittle them. I didn't know you had all the answers KJ.

[KJ Duke]

Originally posted by Plymouth:

KJ,

Standard box scores are



AB R H RBI AVG



They don't include HR and SB and list them below.



Most baseball magazines including Fanballs Fantasy Sports list it as follows:



AB R H HR RBS SB AVG



I can live with it this in this standard method. You keep saying your method is logical, logical to whom? You? Your logic seems to make sense to you but I didn't know you spoke for everyone. Now when we sugest alternate methods, you belittle them. I didn't know you had all the answers KJ. Plymouth - what you posted is neither standard box score nor logical.



So magazines is where all you guys get your info? that explains it. Print media is dead, move on.



[ April 08, 2010, 11:20 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

[sportsbettingman]

Freaking Kevin the Klingon!







(I mean Vulcan...but that's not as funny!)



[ April 08, 2010, 11:10 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

[KJ Duke]

box score from MLb.com:



AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG

Jeter, SS 3 0 1 0 1 0 0 .308



box score from CBS:



AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG

Denard Span, CF 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 .067



Exactly the same. That is a standard box score in my book. Swap in HR/SB for LOB and I can live with it (even though there's no logic to it).



[ April 08, 2010, 11:19 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

[KJ Duke]

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Freaking Kevin the Klingon!







(I mean Vulcan...but that's not as funny!) Never seen a star wars movie, but from the looks of it I'd take a Vulcan over a gaggle of sheep.

[sportsbettingman]

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

box score from MLb.com:



AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG

Jeter, SS 3 0 1 0 1 0 0 .308



box score from CBS:



AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG

Denard Span, CF 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 .067



Exactly the same. That is a standard box score in my book. Swap in HR/SB for LOB and I can live with it. Do what you say here, and eliminate BB and SO, and don't hide the R in between the AB and H, put that HR in between the R and RBI and we really have something!

[KJ Duke]

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

box score from MLb.com:



AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG

Jeter, SS 3 0 1 0 1 0 0 .308



box score from CBS:



AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG

Denard Span, CF 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 .067



Exactly the same. That is a standard box score in my book. Swap in HR/SB for LOB and I can live with it. Do what you say here, and eliminate BB and SO, and don't hide the R in between the AB and H, put that HR in between the R and RBI and we really have something! [/QUOTE]Yes, complete randomness!

[KJ Duke]

Lance, if the majority wants BS I'd tell Greg to go ahead and set it up as BS.



I've given my suggestions:

1.logic

2 standard box score format



Either way, I'll make it a special point to beat all of you random order guys no matter what the format this year.

[Plymouth]

OK, If you think I am just one of the sheep so be it. I still think what is out there now is just plain stupid, sorry. I am not aware of any place that considers AVG as the first column.



I am not a fan of the line below because I want to see the 5 scoring categories together.



AB R H RBI BB SO HR SB AVG



I would prefer:



AB H R HR RBI SB AVG BB SO and any thing else you want to put here on the right.

[KJ Duke]

Originally posted by Plymouth:

OK, If you think I am just one of the sheep so be it. I still think what is out there now is just plain stupid, sorry. I am not aware of any place that considers AVG as the first column.



I am not a fan of the line below because I want to see the 5 scoring categories together.



AB R H RBI BB SO HR SB AVG



I would prefer:



AB H R HR RBI SB AVG BB SO and any thing else you want to put here on the right. I agree with you that having the scoring cats together for fantasy makes sense, but it makes no sense putting them in the middle of the columns rather than as the first group of columns - which is why I moved H-AB off to the right.



sheep = Follows others for no apparent reason, just callin' it as I see it, no offense. You're welcome to retaliate with the logic slurs like Lance!



[ April 08, 2010, 11:33 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

[sportsbettingman]

Wouldn't being comfortable with something or it being aesthetically pleasing be a reason?

[KJ Duke]

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Wouldn't being comfortable with something or it being aesthetically pleasing be a reason? Sure, same reason sheep follow other sheep. Or people watch Glenn Beck on TV.

[KJ Duke]

Originally posted by Plymouth:

I would prefer:



AB H R HR RBI SB AVG BB SO and any thing else you want to put here on the right. There is absolutely no logic to this sequence, nothing relates to that which follows it. But I guess if the magazines do it, then it shall be written. :rolleyes:

[Plymouth]

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Plymouth:

OK, If you think I am just one of the sheep so be it. I still think what is out there now is just plain stupid, sorry. I am not aware of any place that considers AVG as the first column.



I am not a fan of the line below because I want to see the 5 scoring categories together.



AB R H RBI BB SO HR SB AVG



I would prefer:



AB H R HR RBI SB AVG BB SO and any thing else you want to put here on the right. I agree with you that having the scoring cats together for fantasy makes sense, but it makes no sense putting them in the middle of the columns rather than as the first group of columns - which is why I moved H-AB off to the right.



sheep = Follows others for no apparent reason, just callin' it as I see it, no offense. You're welcome to retaliate with the logic slurs like Lance! [/QUOTE]No retaliation KJ, I just wonder why you think your logic supercedes others logic or preferences.

[sportsbettingman]

"What you talkin' 'bout Kevin the Klingon!"







Be careful, Plymouth...the Klingon's getting angry!

[KJ Duke]

Originally posted by Plymouth:

No retaliation KJ, I just wonder why you think your logic supercedes others logic or preferences. I think my logic supercedes your logic because you haven't offered any logic. All you said was "that's what I'm used to seeing".



Preference is another story. Like I said earlier, if the majority wants something that makes zero sense to me personally, that's what Greg should go with.

[Plymouth]

Good enough for me.

[KJ Duke]

[ April 09, 2010, 02:12 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

[JohnZ]

Originally posted by Plymouth:

KJ,

Standard box scores are



AB R H RBI AVG



They don't include HR and SB and list them below.



Most baseball magazines including Fanballs Fantasy Sports list it as follows:



AB R H HR RBS SB AVG



I can live with it this in this standard method. You keep saying your method is logical, logical to whom? You? Your logic seems to make sense to you but I didn't know you spoke for everyone. Now when we sugest alternate methods, you belittle them. I didn't know you had all the answers KJ. This:

AB R H HR RBI SB AVG





or



AVG AB R H HR RBI SB



I don't like each site being different. Keep it similar to the box scores we all grew up with.



Screw logic. KISS.