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Post by jaybvl » Fri Apr 09, 2010 2:00 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by RoundTrippers:

quote:Originally posted by jaybvl:

AVG HR SB R RBI AB H





The order of the live stats is really getting annoying. Do these programmers even know what baseball is? There is no rhyme or reason to this order. **** poor!!! please some one contact me, childs, jupinka, koq, gekko, doughy... anyone.... on the live standings format it is horrible!!! it has no flow....is a 10 year old setting it up?? GREG PLEASE PULLUP SOMEONES LIVE STATS...ITS HORRIBLE...FIX IT YESTERDAY PLEASE!!!!
[/QUOTE]RT - what I suggested was ---

BA R RBI HR SB H AB --- and to have this order consistent across various locations.



The point is to have the 5 scoring cats upfront to satisfy those who only want to see the scoring cats. For FAAB and stats, I suggested tacking on K - BB and possibly OBP and SLG in the far right columns. (OBP/SLG I don't really care about, but I assume some traditionalists would probably want to see them).
[/QUOTE]Nowhere in the world are AB and H listed at the end of any stat report or box score!!

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Post by Scared $ Dont Make $ » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:57 am

After reading ALL arguments and what seems to cover most arguments (some people u will never please:) )

R - HR - RBI - SB - BA - AB - H - rest of crap



Logic:



First 5 are what you care about. AB and H's next to BA since they are what is used to tabulate

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Post by KJ Duke » Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:04 am

Originally posted by PantherPride:

After reading ALL arguments and what seems to cover most arguments (some people u will never please:) )

R - HR - RBI - SB - BA - AB - H - rest of crap



Logic:



First 5 are what you care about. AB and H's next to BA since they are what is used to tabulate This is the worst arrangement Ive seen yet. Just shoot me if this is what we end up with.



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Post by KJ Duke » Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:08 am

Originally posted by JohnZ:



This:

AB R H HR RBI SB AVG



or



AVG AB R H HR RBI SB



I don't like each site being different. Keep it similar to the box scores we all grew up with.



Screw logic. KISS. :D Neither of those are standard box scores John. RBI follows hits.



mlb.com, CBS and ESPN all start with:



AB * R * H * RBI * BB * SO, with AVG to the far right.



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Post by GOD Loves You » Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:44 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by PantherPride:

After reading ALL arguments and what seems to cover most arguments (some people u will never please:) )

R - HR - RBI - SB - BA - AB - H - rest of crap



Logic:



First 5 are what you care about. AB and H's next to BA since they are what is used to tabulate This is the worst arrangement Ive seen yet. Just shoot me if this is what we end up with.
[/QUOTE]Curious, Kevin, how is the above not logical?



The 5 scoring cats are grouped together, as well as the ones that provide the BA.



In actuality, this one makes the most sense to me, even if you put the non-scoring cats first and end with the ones counting towards league standings.

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Post by KJ Duke » Fri Apr 09, 2010 6:10 am





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Post by KJ Duke » Fri Apr 09, 2010 6:24 am

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by PantherPride:

After reading ALL arguments and what seems to cover most arguments (some people u will never please:) )

R - HR - RBI - SB - BA - AB - H - rest of crap



Logic:



First 5 are what you care about. AB and H's next to BA since they are what is used to tabulate This is the worst arrangement Ive seen yet. Just shoot me if this is what we end up with.
[/QUOTE]Curious, Kevin, how is the above not logical?



The 5 scoring cats are grouped together, as well as the ones that provide the BA.



In actuality, this one makes the most sense to me, even if you put the non-scoring cats first and end with the ones counting towards league standings.
[/QUOTE]My first suggestion was put the scoring cats together in a logical way, no one liked it.



In the above, why R first?

why HR between R and RBI?

why SB betw BA and RBI?

And why AB before H?



Nothing in this string relates to each other in a logical pattern.



Am I really having this debate with fantasy baseball players?



When you guys evaluate power and speed, do they not relate to each other in your mind? These are the toolsy individual stats. Everyone loves to talk about shawn's 75/75 rule. But on a lineup card you'd rather see it as 90/75/100/75?



R and RBI. They are the team dependent stats. And you prefer seeing a layout where they're all jumbled together. Sorry, I just don't get it.



If you want scoring cats together, this has logic: web page Or, alternatively move AVG to the 5th column just before H-AB.



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Post by Bama » Fri Apr 09, 2010 6:37 am

Personally i dont even know why we need the h column at all. Ab X avg get you the hits so it is really not needed. Ive always liked a games played but that don seem like like something yall want. i always write everything i do invovling stat cats in the following way. agv-r-hr-rbi-sb. dont know why but thats just the way ive always done it. to me all you would need is GP-ab-avg-r-hr-rbi-sb. Everything else you add is just clutter to me.



I really think we need to work on getting the history done and viewable, making sure faab works properly before we waste anymore time on this as everyone wants something different and it shouldnt be top priority.

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Post by GOD Loves You » Fri Apr 09, 2010 7:56 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by PantherPride:

After reading ALL arguments and what seems to cover most arguments (some people u will never please:) )

R - HR - RBI - SB - BA - AB - H - rest of crap



Logic:



First 5 are what you care about. AB and H's next to BA since they are what is used to tabulate This is the worst arrangement Ive seen yet. Just shoot me if this is what we end up with.
[/QUOTE]Curious, Kevin, how is the above not logical?



The 5 scoring cats are grouped together, as well as the ones that provide the BA.



In actuality, this one makes the most sense to me, even if you put the non-scoring cats first and end with the ones counting towards league standings.
[/QUOTE]My first suggestion was put the scoring cats together in a logical way, no one liked it.



In the above, why R first?

why HR between R and RBI?

why SB betw BA and RBI?

And why AB before H?



Nothing in this string relates to each other in a logical pattern.



Am I really having this debate with fantasy baseball players?



When you guys evaluate power and speed, do they not relate to each other in your mind? These are the toolsy individual stats. Everyone loves to talk about shawn's 75/75 rule. But on a lineup card you'd rather see it as 90/75/100/75?



R and RBI. They are the team dependent stats. And you prefer seeing a layout where they're all jumbled together. Sorry, I just don't get it.



If you want scoring cats together, this has logic: web page Or, alternatively move AVG to the 5th column just before H-AB.
[/QUOTE]Man, that's one crappy team! ;)



I actually prefer ONLY the stats pertinent to the standings being recorded in the live scoring. Include every single stat imaginable for the players individual page, but in the live scoring, why do we need to see anything other than what is counting towards our league standings?



I agree, the grouping referenced above isn't put in the best order, but it had the 5 stats together, that was all I am asking for.



I've actually grown accustomed to Yahoo's boxscores, for every sport. For baseball, they have AB R H RBI HR BB K SB LOB Season Avg, no rhyme or reason, but it's what I've looked at for years.



I do like what you provided......just keep the 5 scoring cats together and do whatever is preferred by the masses for the other non-counting cats. I don't care to see how many AB my player had for the day.

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Post by KJ Duke » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:39 am

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

Man, that's one crappy team! ;)

Thanks Patrick, it's in first place - as are both of my NFBC main event teams (and my wcofb).

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Post by Scared $ Dont Make $ » Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:49 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by PantherPride:

After reading ALL arguments and what seems to cover most arguments (some people u will never please:) )

R - HR - RBI - SB - BA - AB - H - rest of crap



Logic:



First 5 are what you care about. AB and H's next to BA since they are what is used to tabulate This is the worst arrangement Ive seen yet. Just shoot me if this is what we end up with.
[/QUOTE]KJ Duke, PLEASE....

What do you do for a living? Lets see, I design applications and websites. So 15 years of that plus what I have read from all business personnel (that is all the people on here), the format I have given makes 90% of the people happy.



People like you that come up with your deranged logic are the ones that cause mass confusion in companies and overcomplicate things.



I hope Greg does not kiss your a&& much more just because you called him and talked to him and use your suggestion because in reality, it misses the mark. And you are the type that can not listen to what the others are requesting(based off you getting offended by anyone with a different opinion).



1. List our pertinent categories first

2. Group relative data together

3. Keep the useless data to the right since most people read from left to right



Please read the whole thread and disprove me mr. know-it-all



GREG, listen to the masses, not the king suck up



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Post by KJ Duke » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:22 pm

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:31 pm

Okay, with MLB games starting at 1 ET today and no chance to turn off Live Scoring at any point today because games were always on, the IT team made the decision not to push a reorder of categories tonight. I agree. The key is that Live Scoring is working well, and even though I agree the order of categories right now is confusing, it's there and it's not worth disrupting for hours to reload everything.



Besides, I sent different orders of information that we wanted after going through much of this thread. I chose in the end to make this look like a box score, similar to what you see every day in the newspaper/websites. We're not going to push this live over the weekend because again if we do it wrong we don't have a full staff on hand to correct it this weekend. I know, I know, you want it reformatted, but let's make sure Live Scoring works all weekend first and then push it live on Monday.



I think I'll start a new thread tomorrow morning with the format I told IT we need for our consistent look of Team Stats and Live Scoring. You can debate me this weekend and then Monday we push it live. Sorry for this delay, but disrupting Live Scoring had more possible negatives than benefits on a Friday night.



Let the debate of stat categories begin...tomorrow.
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Post by Motorboat Jones » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:37 pm

KJ and Panther...enough already. Enjoy Baseball :D

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Post by Scared $ Dont Make $ » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:41 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by PantherPride:

KJ Duke, PLEASE....

What do you do for a living? Lets see, I design applications and websites.

I was a Wall Street analyst. I wrote professional research reports for other professional analsyts. I have a degree in marketing as well as finance. While a WS analyst I designed a report format for financial statement projections that the DOR liked so much that he standardized on it for the other 30 analysts at the firm. That firm, which had gone thru about 5 buyouts since I left, still had analysts using the format that I designed as of a couple years ago. Prior to the internet coverage I was for a time the top analyst covering Nike, which is arguably one the best marketing firms of the last two decades.



Originally posted by PantherPride:

Lets see, I design applications and websites.

Congrats Mr. 15yr Web Designer. I was appx the 3rd or 4th internet analyst on wall street. So while you were playing video games and trying to learn html, I was sitting in meetings with Steve Case (AOL founder) and CEO's of other early net companies.



Originally posted by PantherPride:



People like you that come up with your deranged logic are the ones that cause mass confusion in companies and overcomplicate things.

I got A's in every logic, calculus, psychology and consumer behavior class I every recall taking. From around age 10 up until 35 (last test I took) I consistently scored at the 99th+ percentile in IQ tests, standardized school tests and military tests for those sections relating to math/patterns and spatial recognition (although less than 99th pct on vocabulary/etc). I also have about as good a professional track record on stockpicking over the past 8 years at my current firm as you could find anywhere.



So that's the root of my deranged logic and my clearly sub-par professional experience, in comparison to you, Mr. 15yr Web-Designer. Any other questions about my resume?



And if you think I am sucking up to Greg, ask him how many times in the last 7 yrs I've pissed him off. You clearly don't know sh**, so don't go making statements about sh** for which you are clueless, Mr. Web Designer.
[/QUOTE]Hahahaha... thats some funny stuff. I am honored to be in your presence. Thanks, your desire to layout all that useless info just shows your utter arrogance



If Fanball wants to cure this, they can just give user preferences and let each owner determine his own order. Or just use captain know-it-all's method since he is obviously too smart for us dummies



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Post by KJ Duke » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:42 pm

Originally posted by Motorboat Jones:

KJ and Panther...enough already. Enjoy Baseball :D I'm enjoying every game.



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Post by KJ Duke » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:46 pm

Originally posted by PantherPride:

Or just use captain know-it-all's method since he is obviously too smart for us dummies Don't offend the other good people here by lumping yourself in with them.



If you thoroughly read thru my earlier posts, and if you were in on the conversations I had with Greg today, you'd realize just how stupid your prior post was.



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Post by Motorboat Jones » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:52 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Motorboat Jones:

KJ and Panther...enough already. Enjoy Baseball :D I'm enjoying every game. [/QUOTE]Excellent :cool:

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Post by Scared $ Dont Make $ » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:55 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by PantherPride:

Or just use captain know-it-all's method since he is obviously too smart for us dummies Don't offend the other good people here by lumping yourself in with them.



If you thoroughly read thru my earlier posts, and if you were in on the conversations I had with Greg today, you'd realize just how stupid your prior post was.
[/QUOTE]Dude, honestly I don't care that much about this ordering. I just read you rejecting all others ideas which was annoying. Again, I don't know you and don't mean to offend or argue, just replying to how you came off a few times in the thread. Good day and good luck on your season

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Post by sportsbettingman » Fri Apr 09, 2010 2:19 pm

Get to work on changing how boxscores and magazines and most team scoring is laid out all over baseball land and fantasy baseball land. YOU CAN DO IT!



Until then, our tiny community of fantasy players enjoy what we are used to. It has been this way since many of us were born, and definitely been this way as long as we have been playing fantasy baseball.



Here's a clipping from July 18th, 1970...







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Post by eddiejag » Fri Apr 09, 2010 2:28 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Get to work on changing how boxscores and magazines and most team scoring is laid out all over baseball land and fantasy baseball land. YOU CAN DO IT!



Until then, our tiny community of fantasy players enjoy what we are used to. It has been this way since many of us were born, and definitely been this way as long as we have been playing fantasy baseball.



Here's a clipping from July 18th, 1970...







Respect Baseball History. Lance love the 1970 box score.how bad were the 1970 Expos not many names i reconize,maybe Staub.

But look at the Giants,

Mays 2 hits

Bonds 2 hits

McCovey 2 hits

Hart 2 hits

But the biggest suprise 2 hits is Gaylord Perry and he hits the homer of the game. :D
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Post by sportsbettingman » Fri Apr 09, 2010 2:33 pm

That post immediately reminded me of a this...



"Sonofabitch! Do you know who I am? I'm Moe Greene! I made my bones when you were going out with cheerleaders!"



Love ya KJ! :D
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Post by KJ Duke » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:09 pm

Had to look it up Lance.



The dude knows how to dress! :D







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Post by JohnZ » Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:28 pm

Originally posted by eddiejag:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Get to work on changing how boxscores and magazines and most team scoring is laid out all over baseball land and fantasy baseball land. YOU CAN DO IT!



Until then, our tiny community of fantasy players enjoy what we are used to. It has been this way since many of us were born, and definitely been this way as long as we have been playing fantasy baseball.



Here's a clipping from July 18th, 1970...







Respect Baseball History. Lance love the 1970 box score.how bad were the 1970 Expos not many names i reconize,maybe Staub.

But look at the Giants,

Mays 2 hits

Bonds 2 hits

McCovey 2 hits

Hart 2 hits

But the biggest suprise 2 hits is Gaylord Perry and he hits the homer of the game. :D
[/QUOTE]Eddie, I have a baseball card of everyone of the Expos except Dillman :D



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Post by JohnZ » Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:31 pm

Originally posted by PantherPride:

KJ Duke, PLEASE....

What do you do for a living? He is a stock picker :D



As you can see, he MUST have everything in the exact right spot :D :D





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