Integrity

lschechter · Post by **lschechter** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:21 pm

Ottawaclo -- what happened last week is inexcusable and sucked. However, this was the only time I've ever seen a real problem with an NFBC game. I've played NFBC/NFFC almost since it began, and I've played CDM/Fanball for years and years. They're generally very well run and the integrity has always been impeccable (except last Monday). I'm assuming things will be fine from now on.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:35 pm

Originally posted by Larry Schechter:

Ottawaclo -- what happened last week is inexcusable and sucked. However, this was the only time I've ever seen a real problem with an NFBC game. I've played NFBC/NFFC almost since it began, and I've played CDM/Fanball for years and years. They're generally very well run and the integrity has always been impeccable (except last Monday). I'm assuming things will be fine from now on. Again, there were lots of people asking us to do a number of things after FAAB reran at 2 ET, like wait until the end of the week and let everyone start their best possible lineups, or let everyone set a lineup starting on Tuesday, etc. I wanted Week 1 set in stone as fast as possible and with everyone setting starting lineups before any more games started. I didn't realize all starting lineups reset to where they were before FAAB run, but quickly learned how long it takes to reset 800+ lineups.

We erred with the first FAAB, plain and simple. Everything else after that is a result of that. Every owner had to get me their starting lineups as quickly as possible with seven games started.

Hey, I hate reading every email, every post, every PM criticizing me/us and telling me how much this sucks. I have some people who used to be best friends ripping me apart via emails because they hate what happened. Every word hurts. Every customer disappointed hurts. Now I'm dealing with this one questioning the integrity of all of us again. It sucks. But it sucked that we had to get lineups after games started but the alternatives some folks requested would have been worse.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:37 pm

Originally posted by Larry Schechter:

The only relevant piece of evidence is what time Gekko sent his e-mail. If it really was after Padilla had given up 3 runs, combined with how STUPID it would be to start Moyer over Padilla, then that is a smoking gun. We wouldn't be piling on so much except Gekko has such a history of a being a jack*ss. larry - moyer was a good play against a weak houston lineup (without berkman). if you think it's STUPID...I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS. thanks for the management help, but keep it to yourself.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:41 pm

FAAB...what happened last week, STAYS in last week!

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:44 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Larry Schechter:

Ottawaclo -- what happened last week is inexcusable and sucked. However, this was the only time I've ever seen a real problem with an NFBC game. I've played NFBC/NFFC almost since it began, and I've played CDM/Fanball for years and years. They're generally very well run and the integrity has always been impeccable (except last Monday). I'm assuming things will be fine from now on. Again, there were lots of people asking us to do a number of things after FAAB reran at 2 ET, like wait until the end of the week and let everyone start their best possible lineups, or let everyone set a lineup starting on Tuesday, etc. I wanted Week 1 set in stone as fast as possible and with everyone setting starting lineups before any more games started. I didn't realize all starting lineups reset to where they were before FAAB run, but quickly learned how long it takes to reset 800+ lineups.

We erred with the first FAAB, plain and simple. Everything else after that is a result of that. Every owner had to get me their starting lineups as quickly as possible with seven games started.

Hey, I hate reading every email, every post, every PM criticizing me/us and telling me how much this sucks. I have some people who used to be best friends ripping me apart via emails because they hate what happened. Every word hurts. Every customer disappointed hurts. Now I'm dealing with this one questioning the integrity of all of us again. It sucks. But it sucked that we had to get lineups after games started but the alternatives some folks requested would have been worse. [/QUOTE]For what it is worth I think you made the correct call in a no win situation. I also think it is time to move on from the constant chatter about what happened last Monday. We will all remember it for awhile. Things are moving in the right direction very swiftly.

As far as Mark goes I like him. I think he is a good guy. I have no idea if he cheated or if he did not. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt like everyone should get.

I know that stats at the beginning of the year are like they pretty much are for any week stretch in the season. Some guys hit 130 some hit 430. I do find it hard to believe that so many quality pitchers have a week like this very often. Add Jurjens and Peavy to the list today.

One last thought about integrity that I am only posting b/c I love the quote. Integrity is what you say when everyone is watching and what you do when no one is watching.

Piggy · Post by **Piggy** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:52 pm

Greg,,,I never questioned your integrity at all and if Tom said I did he was absolutely incorrect..it was Gekko who I was talking about in regards to that issue...I would say reread it but I am sure you are tired of reading these postz...

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:56 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Larry Schechter:

The only relevant piece of evidence is what time Gekko sent his e-mail. If it really was after Padilla had given up 3 runs, combined with how STUPID it would be to start Moyer over Padilla, then that is a smoking gun. We wouldn't be piling on so much except Gekko has such a history of a being a jack*ss. larry - moyer was a good play against a weak houston lineup (without berkman). if you think it's STUPID...I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS. thanks for the management help, but keep it to yourself. [/QUOTE]LOL. Mark, you're not the victim here.

You could have sent an email Sunday night that said "If I get my conditional pick Moyer, start him instead of Padilla."

You didn't.

You could have sent that email Monday morning.

You didn't.

Instead, in true Gekko fashion, you waited until after the game started, and Padilla was giving up runs, and then you sent an email...

and somehow, you've managed to BS your way out of a jam, again.

Gee, what a surprise.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:56 pm

Originally posted by Larry Schechter:

Okay, Greg. If others did criticize you personally, then I stand corrected. I am not criticizing you. You had no choice but to trust the owner's integrity and take their word for it.

Unfortunately, as has been mentioned, it's very obvious not all were honest. Anyone who doesn't see that also thinks OJ is innocent. OJ wasn't innocent????

Glenn

Piggy · Post by **Piggy** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:58 pm

But you did tell me to "trust you" when I mentioned it...leading me to think you were going to police those changes...I don't question your integrity and I want you to know that...maybe I misunderstood what you meant there when you said "trust me"...

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:59 pm

Originally posted by SluggoJD:

LOL. Mark, you're not the victim here.

You could have sent an email Sunday night that said "If I get my conditional pick Moyer, start him instead of Padilla."

You didn't.

You could have sent that email Monday morning.

You didn't.

Instead, in true Gekko fashion, you waited until after the game started, and Padilla was giving up runs, and then you sent an email...

and somehow, you've managed to BS your way out of a jam, again.

Gee, what a surprise. me thinks you need a reality check. i had multiple bids on multiple players. there's no telling who i would have wound up with! ya, just what greg needs 500 people emailing him POSSIBLE starting lineup moves the night before. :rolleyes:

are you all there man?

lschechter · Post by **lschechter** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:00 pm

Greg -- maybe I missed something in all the posts, but I don't think anybody was questioning YOUR integrity or NFBC's integrity. We were only questioning Gekko's integrity.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:03 pm

Originally posted by Piggy:

Greg,,,I never questioned your integrity at all and if Tom said I did he was absolutely incorrect. I never said anything of the kind.

lschechter · Post by **lschechter** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:06 pm

Sluggo -- I'm just waiting for him to say "if the time-stamp don't fit, you must acquit."

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:06 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by SluggoJD:

LOL. Mark, you're not the victim here.

You could have sent an email Sunday night that said "If I get my conditional pick Moyer, start him instead of Padilla."

You didn't.

You could have sent that email Monday morning.

You didn't.

Instead, in true Gekko fashion, you waited until after the game started, and Padilla was giving up runs, and then you sent an email...

and somehow, you've managed to BS your way out of a jam, again.

Gee, what a surprise. me thinks you need a reality check. i had multiple bids on multiple players. there's no telling who i would have wound up with! ya, just what greg needs 500 people emailing him POSSIBLE starting lineup moves the night before. :rolleyes:

are you all there man? [/QUOTE]Mark, what goes around will come around. You've put a big red X on your forehead in your league, after just one week. Others now know exactly what kind of person you really are.

I'm fine with that

Scott Boras · Post by **Scott Boras** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:10 pm

Actually I like the idea of backdating roster moves. I could use one right now after benching Kyle Blanks. Doh!

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:14 pm

Originally posted by SluggoJD:

Mark, what goes around will come around. You've put a big red X on your forehead in your league, after just one week. Others now know exactly what kind of person you really are.

I'm fine with that

as if i didn't have that X to begin with. :rolleyes:

anyone who knows me, knows what kind of person i am. I DON'T NEED THE APPROVAL OF YOU OR A SMALL GROUP OF THUGS HIDING BEHIND THEIR COMPUTERS. i hope that meets your approval.

[ April 12, 2010, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: Gekko ]

Piggy · Post by **Piggy** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:15 pm

Greg, I will say this and then I am done with this issue...I said part of this in another thread but I want you to see it...it does not seem right to give the individuals who had FAAB bidz an option to have part of a cheat game and be able to take advantage of it...they were allowed to take Padilla or others out and those of us who did not have FAAB bids were allowed to take players out and why I begged for a cheat day once the FAAB got foulked up because those with FAAB bids in the system were going to get an advantage no matter how slight. They got the option to take Padilla out, myself and others did not, which makes an uneven playing field...You made the decision to not police the FAAB bid moves and even if I don't like it I will live with it...and it does not mean I don't trust you now, it just meanz you made a tough decision I did not like...we are good...

Rock on...

Money · Post by **Money** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:18 pm

I hope nobody hits the "Lindy" this year. The insurance company will have a field day investigating this one......

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:20 pm

Originally posted by Scott Boras:

I could use one right now after benching Kyle Blanks. Doh! larry schecter would say that was STUPID!

Piggy · Post by **Piggy** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:22 pm

My bad Tom...

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:23 pm

Why is Gekko allowed to make posts like the one in the first page of the "I Apologize" thread when other people get kicked off these boards for it? Thanks.

[ April 13, 2010, 12:40 AM: Message edited by: bjoak ]

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:24 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by SluggoJD:

Mark, what goes around will come around. You've put a big red X on your forehead in your league, after just one week. Others now know exactly what kind of person you really are.

I'm fine with that

as if i didn't have that X to begin with. :rolleyes:

anyone who knows me, knows what kind of person i am...[/QUOTE]You're right!

Piggy · Post by **Piggy** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:24 pm

FYI, is there still a Pujols/Hanley debate for pick #1???

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:25 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

Why is Gekko aloud to make posts like the one in the first page of the "I Apolagize" thread when other people get kicked off these boards for it? Thanks. That post has been edited. If Mark or anyone creates a thread and drops the F bomb in several posts in succession they will be dealt with accordingly.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:27 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

Why is Gekko aloud to make posts like the one in the first page of the "I Apolagize" thread when other people get kicked off these boards for it? Thanks. that one made it past my screeners. i put up a different one for you. enjoy!