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Post by rockitsauce » Wed May 12, 2010 7:08 pm

there's abit of talk that some don't even watch mlb games, sometimes I wish I didn't.



in the boxscore tomorrow you'll see Broxton got a save, but damn if that ump didn't give him strike 3 Bob Ueker say it....wayyyyy outside. really, like Tom Glavine outside. :D



actually the point of this thread is to question how you can have success in a contest such as nfbc if you don't actually watch the games.



this is NOT a dig at Mark, who is well known to claim to rarely watch games. I just feel I would be EVEN MORE LOST if I did not tune in and see for myself how much I should bid for say a Starlin Castro...($279 btw, hope it's worth it).



I'd be interested in how many actual games others out there feel they watch on average a wk. I usually watch DBacks & whatever games ESPN has...sometimes TBS (Braves, rarely) & WGN (White Sox, sometimes).



if Mark really watches as little as he claims, more power to him to be in 1st at any time.
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Post by waiverwire » Wed May 12, 2010 10:58 pm

Interesting topic. I'm like Mark - I almost never watch a game. Rarely even an inning. I might miss out on 'breaking news' once in a while, but there's very little that I can learn from a watching a game that doesn't show up somewhere in the statistics. And it probably helps me keep some perspective and not bid 200 on Castro because he 'looks good' and the broadcasters keep hyping him up. I can see where someone with more knowledge of pitching mechanics or batting stances or whatever might gain a lot from watching, but for me there's not much benefit.

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Post by Da bears » Wed May 12, 2010 11:09 pm

I never watch baseball except for a game or two in the world series every year. I must admit I find baseball extremely boring to watch on tv.



I didn't start playing fantasy baseball till 4 years ago. At first it was just something to pass the time till fantasy football started. But fantasy baseball began to grow on me as I'm a big-time STATS junkie and love the daily fix I get from fantasy baseball.



I check the boxscores daily to see how my players are doing and do keep up with the news through various baseball sites.



So far I have had some success in the NFBC as I have won a few satellite leagues and also have a main event league title in my first three years of NFBC competition.



Currently I'm third overall in the online/live 12-team competition. I'm also in first place in my Super League.



Maybe I would have even better success if I watched the games but I just can't get myself to do it. I could watch football all day long and it will always be #1 in my book. :cool:



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Post by converge241 » Thu May 13, 2010 1:24 am

I always will love real life baseball more than fantasy and can watch whole games while disregarding the stats. But I wouldnt judge anyone based off of that, if people like stat flipping more power to them nothign wrong with it!



That snafu by mlb.tv this year was huge all games for 10 bucks whole year..saved me a fortune compared for what I would be paying for extra innings.

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Post by TRAIN » Thu May 13, 2010 2:37 am

I think watching the games (players) can sometimes help, and sometimes hurt.



This year I heard the hype about Jason Heyward in spring training and decided to watch him in a couple of spring training games. After seeing his presence, and patient approach at the plate for a 20yr. old, I took him early (9 - 11) in every draft I had. That is an example of where watching a player helped me make, what so far, looks like a "good" decision.



Conversely, I happend to see Max Scherzer's sparkling debut a couple of year's ago in a D'backs game, and was blown away by how dominant he looked in his first appearance.



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After seeing that performance, I bid really high to make sure that I got him. While he was "ok" after that, I definitely way overbid for him and what he finally produced. That is an example of where watching a player led me to make a "bad" decision.



While just using stats to make a decision on a player may be "smarter", I think actually seeing a player perform is valuable as well.

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Post by billywaz » Thu May 13, 2010 2:46 am

Originally posted by Da bears:

I never watch baseball except for a game or two in the world series every year. I must admit I find baseball extremely boring to watch on tv.



I didn't start playing fantasy baseball till 4 years ago. At first it was just something to pass the time till fantasy football started. But fantasy baseball began to grow on me as I'm a big-time STATS junkie and love the daily fix I get from fantasy baseball.



I check the boxscores daily to see how my players are doing and do keep up with the news through various baseball sites.



So far I have had some success in the NFBC as I have won a few satellite leagues and also have a main event league title in my first three years of NFBC competition.



Currently I'm third overall in the online/live 12-team competition. I'm also in first place in my Super League.



Maybe I would have even better success if I watched the games but I just can't get myself to do it. I could watch football all day long and it will always be #1 in my book. :cool: Agree on EVERYTHING, Matt (except I don't have a Main Event c-ship and only 1 satellite c-ship!)



Also, EVERY time I have a pitcher going and I turn to watch them, they get BOMBED!!! They can be rolling along doing fine, and the minute I watch, they get destroyed! :(



I guess I am a jinx, and therefore stay away....plus it is about as exciting as watching golf!

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Post by Glenneration X » Thu May 13, 2010 4:03 am

I love watching baseball. Unfortunately, I don't get to watch many games on TV anymore since my 2-year old monopolizes the TV with the 500th running of Toy Story or the 1000th episode of Word World during the day and my wife hoards the TV with the Housewives of Whatever County or America's Least Ugly Model or whatever at night.



I'm more of a computer guy now anyway. While we're all relaxing together in the den, I'll let them watch whatever they want while I either work or visit various websites on my laptop. Thank God for MLB.TV.



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Post by Frozen Tundra » Thu May 13, 2010 4:45 am

haha...good topic



With me goes like this:



I'd usually watch my Mets until say mid June when they're about 15 games out. Then I'd watch more the Yankees because Arod and Posada are on my main event team.



But I feel I am my players' jinx as well. Every time I turn the TV on or log on to sportsline.com for live scores, my pitcher easpecially, who had been cruising up until that point, gets tatooed for like 4 ERs and doesn't make it out of the inning. The most painful experience is watching your shaky closer blow up. Thank God Marmol and Bailey have been mostly decent this year.
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Post by Navel Lint » Thu May 13, 2010 4:45 am

I’m a baseball fan more than a fantasy baseball fan. I’ve watched the game since I was a kid and continue to do so today. Because of my work schedule and my family life, I watch either the early afternoon weekday games or the late west coast games on the Extra Innings package.



I try not to let my observation of the game effect my fantasy decisions, but sometimes it does. Usually only to the negative though. If I see a young player do well (Heyward), I tend to discount what I’m seeing. But when I see one of my players struggling, I tend to think they are the worst player in the league and will want to drop them. :mad:



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Post by Plymouth » Thu May 13, 2010 4:48 am

I am like Glenn, I love watching baseball, at Target Field or on Extra Innings. During the season it is a rare day that I don't watch at least one game and with Extra Innings I surf around and watch the game that I thing is most interesting at the time. I don't watch baseball to improve my fantasy teams, I watch baseball because it is fun to watch. Then again I am retired with no kids at home with 4 TV's to pick from.........

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Post by The Franchise » Thu May 13, 2010 4:58 am

I have MLB Extra Innings along with NFL Sunday Ticket. I guess I would be in the minority so far, as I watch a lot of games.... :eek:





I usually just put it on Game Mix and watch all the games at once. I don't actually sit on the couch with my eyes glued to the TV full time (3 year old and wife don't allow that). So the games are just on in the background with volume low while the family hangs out or if it's late at night, my wife and I will watch our favorite shows. Two and Half Men / Rules of Engagement and all the CSI's, although we DVR most of them. Unless it's Football season. Then I retire to the Theater downstairs(man cave for some) every Sunday.





So to answer the question, I think it helps me evaluate players to a certain degree rather than just looking at the box score (which doesn't always show you the whole picture). I guess by watching the games it can cause you to read into it too much (over analyze)?





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Post by Thunder » Thu May 13, 2010 5:00 am

i'll watch when i have a chance and it's supposed to be a good game, with good contending teams. i don't let fantasy get in the way. i simply like to watch baseball.



though i try not to watch when i have one of my pitchers going. it can be too painful.
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Post by Glenneration X » Thu May 13, 2010 5:12 am

Originally posted by The Franchise:



PS. Glenn, you know it's called "Desperate Housewives" and "The Real Housewives of New Jersey" :D Dude, I think there's like 500 different versions of those shows now....and they're all horrible. Still, she likes them and whatever keeps my 9 months pregnant wife happy.....



We do have a few shows we both enjoy (though I definitely miss more episodes than I watch)....Saturday Night Live is a personal fave, American Idol, Two & 1/2 Men, How I Met Your Mother, Survivor, etc....but for the most part, I ignore the TV and websurf to my heart's content. :cool:



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Post by rockitsauce » Thu May 13, 2010 6:43 am

Originally posted by Da bears:

I never watch baseball except for a game or two in the world series every year. I must admit I find baseball extremely boring to watch on tv.



I guess I can understand this from a football fan's perspective. When Rick "I love Tiger" Reilly has the audacity to call baseball boring I take offense. I mean, golf?! What could be more boring? Auto racing, maybe?



I love watching baseball, esp my Phillies (I'm sure growing up listening to Harry Kalas & Richie Ashburn had something to do w/ it
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Post by bjoak » Thu May 13, 2010 7:18 am

I watch maybe 14 games a week. I flip from game to game a lot but it averages out to a solid six hours a day. That's not to say I sit and stare at the TV the whole time. I am far too busy for that. But baseball is usually on.
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Post by rockitsauce » Thu May 13, 2010 8:00 am

Originally posted by billywaz:





Also, EVERY time I have a pitcher going and I turn to watch them, they get BOMBED!!! They can be rolling along doing fine, and the minute I watch, they get destroyed! :(



No doubt. I've been there and just had the opposite happen....yesterday I watched Bonderman pitch pretty well against the mighty Yankees of all teams :eek: of course I sat him, can't trust that bum against the Yankees :mad:
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Post by bustouts » Thu May 13, 2010 8:06 am

I watch as many games as possible, although I hardly watch a game in its entirety. I consider high stakes fantasy baseball a part time job so for me its the most enjoyable job a person can have. Except , of course when your pitchers get lit up or your entire team gets an ofer!

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Post by Sebadiah23 » Thu May 13, 2010 9:27 am

Besides watching my home team, I jump around on my iPhone and computer to my players or players I scouting, etc.



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Post by Quahogs » Thu May 13, 2010 9:51 am

Originally posted by bustouts:

I watch as many games as possible, although I hardly watch a game in its entirety. I consider high stakes fantasy baseball a part time job so for me its the most enjoyable job a person can have. Except , of course when your pitchers get lit up or your entire team gets an ofer! part time? what a lallygagger ;) I'm pulling nights and weekends here ! I think my real job is the part time one.

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Post by Cobb » Thu May 13, 2010 11:20 am

I wonder how many pro scouts get all of the info they need from the boxscores...
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Post by KJ Duke » Thu May 13, 2010 2:01 pm

I don't believe anyone that doesn't watch games will ever win this contest. Too many players that are good at all other aspects and pickup something extra with the firsthand data that comes from watching.

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Post by Sebadiah23 » Thu May 13, 2010 2:42 pm

2004 Update of Player Drafted on Stats Alone



Jeremy Brown is one of Moneyball's main characters. After four years at Alabama, Brown left as the school's all-time leader in games played (251), runs scored (244), runs batted in (231), and walks (207). He hit .363/.465/.574 as a junior and .320/.493/.566 as a senior. Baseball America did not have Brown ranked among their top 250 draft prospects.



When the A's draft room discussed Brown, there weren't a whole lot of positive things said by their scouts. One Oakland scout said, "This kid wears a large pair of underwear." Another scout chimed in that "it's a soft body ... a fleshy kind of body." To which Billy Beane uttered the now-famous line, "We're not selling jeans here."



As a college senior who had not been getting much attention from scouts, Jeremy Brown expected to be drafted in the late rounds. The A's called him prior to the draft and informed him that they were interested in taking him in the first round. According to Moneyball, Brown thought it was one of his friends playing a prank on him and he told A's scout Billy Owens that he would need to call him back. "He thought it was a crank call ... he said he wanted to make sure it was me, and that I was serious," Owens said.



The A's were serious and they selected Brown with the 35th pick in the draft, signing him to a pre-draft deal worth just $350,000, far lower than the bonuses the other players selected in that range received.



Brown's first two years as a pro were very good. He hit a combined .307/.452/.516 between two levels of Single-A after signing in 2002, smacking 10 homers and drawing 54 walks in 65 games. Then Brown moved up to Double-A Midland last season and hit a very respectable .275/.388/.391 while showing a ton of plate discipline and no power in 66 games, before missing the second-half of the season with a thumb injury.



Through his first two seasons and 131 games as a pro, Brown hit .290/.419/.451 with 15 homers, 25 doubles and 95 walks. In other words, he was exactly what the A's were hoping he would be. This year, however, things are not going as well for Brown. He is back at Double-A and hitting just .226/.322/.345. He is continuing to walk a ton (24 walks in 47 games), but he has also struck out 35 times and has just three homers in 177 at-bats. Perhaps the thumb injury is hurting Brown's hitting or perhaps the scouts were right about him. Either way, he'll need to turn it up a notch offensively if he wants to play a big role in Oakland someday.



Interesting 2008 Updates



The best that can be said about Brown in his six years in the Oakland organization is that he made the team’s 40-man roster and played five games in the majors.



But Brown will be remembered most as a portly college catcher who was a central figure in “Moneyball” by Michael Lewis, the book on the revolutionary way Oakland identified players to be drafted for a system that had little money to spend because of the team’s low-revenue status.





Brown was one of seven players the Athletics picked among the first 39 players taken in the 2002 draft, a focal point of the book. Billy Beane, the Athletics’ general manager, found Brown attractive, despite his size, because he was a college player with a high on-base percentage.



Veteran scouts for the A’s scoffed at the pick. Picking amateur players from among thousands was too much of a gamble, as everyone knew, and Beane sought a system that could be more reliable and less wasteful.



Brown’s retirement is a good time to look back at the Athletics’ 2002 draft and see how the system worked. Based on statistics more than on the established method of having scouts identify prospects from seeing them play, the system has become more widely used and has created debate between old-timers and younger executives.





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Jeremy Brown of the Oakland A’s retired last week. He was a prominent figure in the delicious baseball tome, Moneyball, which, depending on whom you speak with, was either baseball’s new bible, or the first sign of the apocalypse.



If you are a firm believer in Moneyball, then we recommend the book Black Swan. A snippet: “I call this overload of examples naive empiricism – successions of anecdotes selected to fit a story do not constitute evidence. Anyone looking for confirmation will find enough of it to deceive himself – and no doubt his peers. The Black Swan idea is based on the structure of randomness in empirical reality.”
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Post by rkulaski » Thu May 13, 2010 3:32 pm

I watch very little baseball during the season yet I've had plenty of success in the NFBC (although you wouldn't know it by tracking my main event team this year). With my hours after work, I'd much rather PLAY baseball/softball (county league) or catch up on favorite tv shows with the wife or play Wii.
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Post by Sebadiah23 » Thu May 13, 2010 4:15 pm

Its cool if you don't watch games but it certainly does not make a victory more impressive.
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Post by bjoak » Fri May 14, 2010 7:41 am

Originally posted by Sebadiah23:

Besides watching my home team, I jump around on my iPhone and computer to my players or players I scouting, etc.



Bjoak, feel free to steal my signature. It's for all these whiners out there that blame things on luck I've been here since 2005 and had this signature the entire time. I did not steal it from you.



W/R/T the A's 2002 draft class, I always get a kick out of how the media and/or individuals like to cherry-pick this example as though every other year's 32nd pick has worked out. The fact is that that draft produced major league regulars Nick Swisher, Mark Teahen, Brad Ziegler, and Joe Blanton. That makes it an unqualified success. They even drafted Papelbon, though he did not sign. Also, Michael Lewis wrote Moneyball as an anti-scout narrative. In real life, the A's did what every team now does, which is to combine scouting with statistical analysis to make the best possible decisions.



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