There was talk on another thread of Marlon Byrd being a five category player. He ranks 20th in batting average and is outside the top 50 in the other four categories.
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Although Byrd contributes in all five categories, like most players, to consider him a five category player, in real terms, would certainly be ill-fitting.
So, who are the real five category players?
Miguel Cabrera is a top five player in four categories. If he wasn't as slow as me from the waiting room to a dentist chair, he would be a consideration. This also knocks out other players who are having phenomenal seasons such as Cano and Guerrero, and even Josh Hamilton, who ranks 69th in stolen bases. However, in trying to find THE five category player, we are probably better off with one of these players.
In determining the five category player, I am simply taking their rank in each category at the moment of this post.
I looked at the usual suspects and a couple of others as well. Here is that list:
Wright, Pujols, Votto, Hunter, Longoria, Hanley, C Young, Rios, Braun, C Gonzalez, and Victorino.
Now, how many of these players, do you think , would rank in the top 20 of all five categories...
Cue the Jeopardy music...
If you said zero, you win dinner with Don Pardo, however, he may be dead. If he is, let's spin that as a quiet evening with Pardo.
Top 30 in all five cats? Again, zero.
Top 40? Redundancy is king. Zero
We have to go to a ranking of top 50 before we see a name in all five categories. Those names would be Longoria and Gonzalez.
Of course, this alone, does not make Longoria and Gonzalez THE five category players. In fact, this year, I'd say, we don't really have that quintessential five category player.
As said before, stolen bases are the killer for a lot of hitters. Joey Votto is top 20 in all cats, but in stolen bases he ranks 55.
Hanley is only in the top 20 in ONE category, stolen bases, he is 19th.
Surprisingly, Ryan Braun is top 40 in every category, but home runs, where he ranks 58th.
It'd be tough to call Pujols even a four category player this year since he ranks 50th in runs and 55th in stolen bases.
It is a pitchers year. Of course, we knew that.
We knew that when someone other than Mrs. Byrd and Byrd's bff (Yeah, that's right, I know what that means) intimated that Byrd is a five category player.
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Dough, I'd call any player that is at least average in all a 5-cat player.
Your list ... interesting ... I'd call a search for the 5-cat stud. Hanley and Braun may be the only realistic candidates for a top 20 finish across the board.
(edit: When I say average, I mean avg for needed fantasy stats, so roughly 280-80-80-20-10 for the season, or about half that by the end of the week to be on pace).
[ June 30, 2010, 12:38 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
Your list ... interesting ... I'd call a search for the 5-cat stud. Hanley and Braun may be the only realistic candidates for a top 20 finish across the board.
(edit: When I say average, I mean avg for needed fantasy stats, so roughly 280-80-80-20-10 for the season, or about half that by the end of the week to be on pace).
[ June 30, 2010, 12:38 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
TIMEOUT- Just a second, sorry, I seem to have a personal fact checker. Quite nice, really. Sort of like Stat Boy on that ESPN talk show. I want to take a timeout and alert him that I used the ESPN site for my source.
Funny.
I know your talkin’ about someone else, but I want to let you know. In the past I have looked up some of your “Stuff” and “Junk” because, like you, I find the stories and stats of baseball to be interesting, amazing and forever appealing. And I have wanted to corroborate some of your stuff with my own personal knowledge and expand my frame of reference. I just don’t have the writing skills to bring them to life like you have.
I want to let you know that I have found you to be 99.9% accurate.
So, to your personal fact checker; Unless you are looking up Dan’s stuff to expand your personal knowledge beyond what he has already told you, don’t bother wasting your time. Unless it’s a typing error, you aren’t going to find a lot to write about. Just read and enjoy.
TIMEOUT- Just a second, sorry, I seem to have a personal fact checker. Quite nice, really. Sort of like Stat Boy on that ESPN talk show. I want to take a timeout and alert him that I used the ESPN site for my source.
Funny.
I know your talkin’ about someone else, but I want to let you know. In the past I have looked up some of your “Stuff” and “Junk” because, like you, I find the stories and stats of baseball to be interesting, amazing and forever appealing. And I have wanted to corroborate some of your stuff with my own personal knowledge and expand my frame of reference. I just don’t have the writing skills to bring them to life like you have.
I want to let you know that I have found you to be 99.9% accurate.
So, to your personal fact checker; Unless you are looking up Dan’s stuff to expand your personal knowledge beyond what he has already told you, don’t bother wasting your time. Unless it’s a typing error, you aren’t going to find a lot to write about. Just read and enjoy.
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Originally posted by Navel Lint:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
TIMEOUT- Just a second, sorry, I seem to have a personal fact checker. Quite nice, really. Sort of like Stat Boy on that ESPN talk show. I want to take a timeout and alert him that I used the ESPN site for my source.
Funny.
I know your talkin’ about someone else, but I want to let you know. In the past I have looked up some of your “Stuff” and “Junk” because, like you, I find the stories and stats of baseball to be interesting, amazing and forever appealing. And I have wanted to corroborate some of your stuff with my own personal knowledge and expand my frame of reference. I just don’t have the writing skills to bring them to life like you have.
I want to let you know that I have found you to be 99.9% accurate.
So, to your personal fact checker; Unless you are looking up Dan’s stuff to expand your personal knowledge beyond what he has already told you, don’t bother wasting your time. Unless it’s a typing error, you aren’t going to find a lot to write about. Just read and enjoy. [/QUOTE]Thanks Russel, I appreciate that.
You underestimate your writing skills however.
On a personal note, I smiled when Farnsworth was dropped.
On another personal note, I am tired of looking at your behind in our Chicago League!
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
TIMEOUT- Just a second, sorry, I seem to have a personal fact checker. Quite nice, really. Sort of like Stat Boy on that ESPN talk show. I want to take a timeout and alert him that I used the ESPN site for my source.
Funny.
I know your talkin’ about someone else, but I want to let you know. In the past I have looked up some of your “Stuff” and “Junk” because, like you, I find the stories and stats of baseball to be interesting, amazing and forever appealing. And I have wanted to corroborate some of your stuff with my own personal knowledge and expand my frame of reference. I just don’t have the writing skills to bring them to life like you have.
I want to let you know that I have found you to be 99.9% accurate.
So, to your personal fact checker; Unless you are looking up Dan’s stuff to expand your personal knowledge beyond what he has already told you, don’t bother wasting your time. Unless it’s a typing error, you aren’t going to find a lot to write about. Just read and enjoy. [/QUOTE]Thanks Russel, I appreciate that.
You underestimate your writing skills however.
On a personal note, I smiled when Farnsworth was dropped.
On another personal note, I am tired of looking at your behind in our Chicago League!
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
On another personal note, I am tired of looking at your behind in our Chicago League! For the last 2 weeks I can’t help but think of Satchel Paige;
“Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you.”
On another personal note, I am tired of looking at your behind in our Chicago League! For the last 2 weeks I can’t help but think of Satchel Paige;
“Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you.”
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Last year, top 20 in each category would have been .310, 100 runs, 32 HR, 103 RBI, and 27 steals. That's an absolute monster player. If I had to put my money on one person to get there this year it would probably be Wright, though he would need a strong second half in the power department. Braun also a good choice.
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Originally posted by whipsaw:
Last year, top 20 in each category would have been .310, 100 runs, 32 HR, 103 RBI, and 27 steals. A combination of those stats or better has only happened 9 times in the history of baseball.
ARod 1998
Vlad 2002
Ba Bonds 1992-3 (pre-roids)
K Williams 1922
L Walker 1997 - .366, 143R, 49, 130, 33SB
E Burks 1996
Aaron 1963
Mays 1959
[ June 30, 2010, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: Navel Lint ]
Last year, top 20 in each category would have been .310, 100 runs, 32 HR, 103 RBI, and 27 steals. A combination of those stats or better has only happened 9 times in the history of baseball.
ARod 1998
Vlad 2002
Ba Bonds 1992-3 (pre-roids)
K Williams 1922
L Walker 1997 - .366, 143R, 49, 130, 33SB
E Burks
1996Aaron 1963
Mays 1959
[ June 30, 2010, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: Navel Lint ]
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Originally posted by Navel Lint:
quote:Originally posted by whipsaw:
Last year, top 20 in each category would have been .310, 100 runs, 32 HR, 103 RBI, and 27 steals. A combination of those stats or better has only happened 9 times in the history of baseball.
ARod 1998
Vlad 2002
Ba Bonds 1992-3 (pre-roids)
K Williams 1922
L Walker 1997 - .366, 143R, 49, 130, 33SB
E Burks 1996
Aaron 1963
Mays 1959 [/QUOTE]Amazing how great Willie was from 1954- 66. Interestingly, Baseball cards did not have SB on them. He was stealing from 20 to 40 per year.
[ June 30, 2010, 02:41 PM: Message edited by: Dub ]
quote:Originally posted by whipsaw:
Last year, top 20 in each category would have been .310, 100 runs, 32 HR, 103 RBI, and 27 steals. A combination of those stats or better has only happened 9 times in the history of baseball.
ARod 1998
Vlad 2002
Ba Bonds 1992-3 (pre-roids)
K Williams 1922
L Walker 1997 - .366, 143R, 49, 130, 33SB
E Burks
1996Aaron 1963
Mays 1959 [/QUOTE]Amazing how great Willie was from 1954- 66. Interestingly, Baseball cards did not have SB on them. He was stealing from 20 to 40 per year.
[ June 30, 2010, 02:41 PM: Message edited by: Dub ]
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Originally posted by Dub:
quote:Originally posted by Navel Lint:
quote:Originally posted by whipsaw:
Last year, top 20 in each category would have been .310, 100 runs, 32 HR, 103 RBI, and 27 steals. A combination of those stats or better has only happened 9 times in the history of baseball.
ARod 1998
Vlad 2002
Ba Bonds 1992-3 (pre-roids)
K Williams 1922
L Walker 1997 - .366, 143R, 49, 130, 33SB
E Burks 1996
Aaron 1963
Mays 1959 [/QUOTE]Amazing how great Willie was from 1955- 65. Interestingly, Baseball cards did not have SB on them. He was stealing from 20 to 40 per year.
[/QUOTE]Thanks Dub!
Loved those cards!
THE five category player.
I don't want to go into the whole story, but it even lists Mays current home at the time as Atherton, Cal.
When Mays moved to San Francisco with the rest of the NY Giants, he was denied the home that he had picked out through a realtor due to his race. Of course,that was denied by the powers that be.
At the time it was San Francisco's biggest story. The Mayor was involved, and after a lot of bad press, they relented and Mays moved into his new home.
quote:Originally posted by Navel Lint:
quote:Originally posted by whipsaw:
Last year, top 20 in each category would have been .310, 100 runs, 32 HR, 103 RBI, and 27 steals. A combination of those stats or better has only happened 9 times in the history of baseball.
ARod 1998
Vlad 2002
Ba Bonds 1992-3 (pre-roids)
K Williams 1922
L Walker 1997 - .366, 143R, 49, 130, 33SB
E Burks
1996Aaron 1963
Mays 1959 [/QUOTE]Amazing how great Willie was from 1955- 65. Interestingly, Baseball cards did not have SB on them. He was stealing from 20 to 40 per year.
[/QUOTE]Thanks Dub!
Loved those cards!
THE five category player.
I don't want to go into the whole story, but it even lists Mays current home at the time as Atherton, Cal.
When Mays moved to San Francisco with the rest of the NY Giants, he was denied the home that he had picked out through a realtor due to his race. Of course,that was denied by the powers that be.
At the time it was San Francisco's biggest story. The Mayor was involved, and after a lot of bad press, they relented and Mays moved into his new home.
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Originally posted by Navel Lint:
quote:Originally posted by whipsaw:
Last year, top 20 in each category would have been .310, 100 runs, 32 HR, 103 RBI, and 27 steals. A combination of those stats or better has only happened 9 times in the history of baseball.
ARod 1998
Vlad 2002
Ba Bonds 1992-3 (pre-roids)
K Williams 1922
L Walker 1997 - .366, 143R, 49, 130, 33SB
E Burks 1996
Aaron 1963
Mays 1959 [/QUOTE]Walker's line is incredible. I think if you previously asked me if Larry had ever stolen 30+ bases, I would have gambled a pretty good chunk of change on the No.
[ June 30, 2010, 02:59 PM: Message edited by: whipsaw ]
quote:Originally posted by whipsaw:
Last year, top 20 in each category would have been .310, 100 runs, 32 HR, 103 RBI, and 27 steals. A combination of those stats or better has only happened 9 times in the history of baseball.
ARod 1998
Vlad 2002
Ba Bonds 1992-3 (pre-roids)
K Williams 1922
L Walker 1997 - .366, 143R, 49, 130, 33SB
E Burks
1996Aaron 1963
Mays 1959 [/QUOTE]Walker's line is incredible. I think if you previously asked me if Larry had ever stolen 30+ bases, I would have gambled a pretty good chunk of change on the No.
[ June 30, 2010, 02:59 PM: Message edited by: whipsaw ]
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Stat Boy is Tony Reali. I personally think he's great as host of Around the Horn.
Speaking of 5 category studs, if you took the LOWEST total in all 5 categories for any season over the past 11 years, here is the line you would get:
96 15 79 22 283
Not great per se, but certainly qualifies as a 5 category contributor and would have solid value even in 12 team leagues.
His highs over the same span:
118 31 110 40 335
Not quite Larry Walker, but wow.
Who is this player? Only the most under-rated offensive player in fantasy baseball history (5x5). Over the past 11 seasons Bob Abreu has AVERAGED 107 runs, 21 homers, 99 RBI, 29 steals, and a cool .300 average. His career 162 game average numbers are nearly identical.
Yeah yeah, the power leaves a handful of homers to be desired, but how can we talk about 5 category players without mentioning old man Abreu? One day age may finally catch up with him, but would anyone be surprised if Abreu ended 2010 with 100 runs, 15 homers, 100 rbi, 25 steals, and a 290 average? I wouldn't. He's damn near Byrd-like.
Doughy, time for an all-time most under-rated fantasy players thread?
Speaking of 5 category studs, if you took the LOWEST total in all 5 categories for any season over the past 11 years, here is the line you would get:
96 15 79 22 283
Not great per se, but certainly qualifies as a 5 category contributor and would have solid value even in 12 team leagues.
His highs over the same span:
118 31 110 40 335
Not quite Larry Walker, but wow.
Who is this player? Only the most under-rated offensive player in fantasy baseball history (5x5). Over the past 11 seasons Bob Abreu has AVERAGED 107 runs, 21 homers, 99 RBI, 29 steals, and a cool .300 average. His career 162 game average numbers are nearly identical.
Yeah yeah, the power leaves a handful of homers to be desired, but how can we talk about 5 category players without mentioning old man Abreu? One day age may finally catch up with him, but would anyone be surprised if Abreu ended 2010 with 100 runs, 15 homers, 100 rbi, 25 steals, and a 290 average? I wouldn't. He's damn near Byrd-like.
Doughy, time for an all-time most under-rated fantasy players thread?
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I'll be mostly gone from the computer for the next four days. I'll jot that down, Scott.
Abreu came up in a conversation at the ballpark the other night about the Hall of Fame.
Abreu would certainly be nominated for a fantasy Hall of Fame...much like Vada Pinson , but like Pinson, he probably will not make the real Hall of Fame.
Maybe, we should start some kind of on-line Hall of Fame for players like these.
Larry Walker would be a shoo-in. Since we don't have steroids in the fantasy game, just numbers, McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, etc, would get in.
For us, it would not be a lifetime achievment award like Cooperstown. It could include one-year wonders if that one year was enough to put a lot of owners over the top.
Heck, screw the five year waiting period , Ubaldo Jimenez might make it after this year.
Lets give some credit to guys like Maury Wills and Willie McGee and Rico Carty and Felipe Alou and Bobby Bonds and Richie Allen and Fernando Valenzuela.
These guys did not accumulate World Championships, or have a place in the real Hall, but they would have made fantasy Championship rosters.
What do you guys say?
Who is not Hall of Fame material, but is a Hall of Famer on a fantasy team?
Abreu came up in a conversation at the ballpark the other night about the Hall of Fame.
Abreu would certainly be nominated for a fantasy Hall of Fame...much like Vada Pinson , but like Pinson, he probably will not make the real Hall of Fame.
Maybe, we should start some kind of on-line Hall of Fame for players like these.
Larry Walker would be a shoo-in. Since we don't have steroids in the fantasy game, just numbers, McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, etc, would get in.
For us, it would not be a lifetime achievment award like Cooperstown. It could include one-year wonders if that one year was enough to put a lot of owners over the top.
Heck, screw the five year waiting period , Ubaldo Jimenez might make it after this year.
Lets give some credit to guys like Maury Wills and Willie McGee and Rico Carty and Felipe Alou and Bobby Bonds and Richie Allen and Fernando Valenzuela.
These guys did not accumulate World Championships, or have a place in the real Hall, but they would have made fantasy Championship rosters.
What do you guys say?
Who is not Hall of Fame material, but is a Hall of Famer on a fantasy team?
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Dan,
Roger Maris did lead you to that Fantasy Title in 1961, a mere 15 years after starting your Fantasy Baseball career. Does he qualify?
[ July 01, 2010, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: Joe Sambito ]
Roger Maris did lead you to that Fantasy Title in 1961, a mere 15 years after starting your Fantasy Baseball career. Does he qualify?
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Originally posted by Joe Sambito:
Dan,
Roger Maris did lead you to that Fantasy Title in 1961, a mere 15 years after starting your Fantasy Baseball career. Does he qualify? Even though Maris won MVP in '60, I still took Mays with my first pick. The press had Maris pulling his hair out. Maris had me pulling mine.
Dan,
Roger Maris did lead you to that Fantasy Title in 1961, a mere 15 years after starting your Fantasy Baseball career. Does he qualify? Even though Maris won MVP in '60, I still took Mays with my first pick. The press had Maris pulling his hair out. Maris had me pulling mine.
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I was asked in a PM if Josh Hamilton could make it twice.
Nah, once you're in, you're in.
But I wanted to thank Joe Mauer for the PM.
Nah, once you're in, you're in.
But I wanted to thank Joe Mauer for the PM.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Lets give some credit to guys like Maury Wills and Willie McGee and Rico Carty and Felipe Alou and Bobby Bonds and Richie Allen and Fernando Valenzuela.
These guys did not accumulate World Championships, or have a place in the real Hall, but they would have made fantasy Championship rosters.
What do you guys say?
Who is not Hall of Fame material, but is a Hall of Famer on a fantasy team? One player comes to mind for me for the Fantasy HOF.
Cecil Fielder. The guy never had more than 200 AB’s in any previous MLB season and had been playing in Japan during the ’89 season. Then he comes back in 1990 and hits 51 dingers for the Tigers.
Lets give some credit to guys like Maury Wills and Willie McGee and Rico Carty and Felipe Alou and Bobby Bonds and Richie Allen and Fernando Valenzuela.
These guys did not accumulate World Championships, or have a place in the real Hall, but they would have made fantasy Championship rosters.
What do you guys say?
Who is not Hall of Fame material, but is a Hall of Famer on a fantasy team? One player comes to mind for me for the Fantasy HOF.
Cecil Fielder. The guy never had more than 200 AB’s in any previous MLB season and had been playing in Japan during the ’89 season. Then he comes back in 1990 and hits 51 dingers for the Tigers.
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Good one, Russ.
I had a couple of PM's voting for Mo Vaughn and George "Taco" Bell.
Just as an aside, we had a discussion at the ballpark about whether we'd want to go through life being called 'Cecil' or 'Prince'.
'None of the above' won in a landslide.
I had a couple of PM's voting for Mo Vaughn and George "Taco" Bell.
Just as an aside, we had a discussion at the ballpark about whether we'd want to go through life being called 'Cecil' or 'Prince'.
'None of the above' won in a landslide.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
I had a couple of PM's voting for Mo Vaughn and George "Taco" Bell.
George Bell
The Cubs always get ripped for poor trades, but Bell was involved in maybe the best Cub trade ever. Just before opening day 1992 the Cubs traded George Bell to the White Sox for Sammy Sosa.
After the trade, Bell hit 38 more career home runs and was out of baseball after the ’93 season. Say what you want about Sosa, but he went on to hit 545 homers for the Cubs and 578 more in his career for a total of 609.
I had a couple of PM's voting for Mo Vaughn and George "Taco" Bell.
George Bell
The Cubs always get ripped for poor trades, but Bell was involved in maybe the best Cub trade ever. Just before opening day 1992 the Cubs traded George Bell to the White Sox for Sammy Sosa.
After the trade, Bell hit 38 more career home runs and was out of baseball after the ’93 season. Say what you want about Sosa, but he went on to hit 545 homers for the Cubs and 578 more in his career for a total of 609.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
I'll be mostly gone from the computer for the next four days. I'll jot that down, Scott.
Abreu came up in a conversation at the ballpark the other night about the Hall of Fame.
Abreu would certainly be nominated for a fantasy Hall of Fame...much like Vada Pinson , but like Pinson, he probably will not make the real Hall of Fame.
Maybe, we should start some kind of on-line Hall of Fame for players like these.
Larry Walker would be a shoo-in. Since we don't have steroids in the fantasy game, just numbers, McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, etc, would get in.
For us, it would not be a lifetime achievment award like Cooperstown. It could include one-year wonders if that one year was enough to put a lot of owners over the top.
Heck, screw the five year waiting period , Ubaldo Jimenez might make it after this year.
Lets give some credit to guys like Maury Wills and Willie McGee and Rico Carty and Felipe Alou and Bobby Bonds and Richie Allen and Fernando Valenzuela.
These guys did not accumulate World Championships, or have a place in the real Hall, but they would have made fantasy Championship rosters.
What do you guys say?
Who is not Hall of Fame material, but is a Hall of Famer on a fantasy team? I would like to nominate Shawn Green. What an amazing 5 year run in the heart of the steroid era and then ...into obscurity.
I'll be mostly gone from the computer for the next four days. I'll jot that down, Scott.
Abreu came up in a conversation at the ballpark the other night about the Hall of Fame.
Abreu would certainly be nominated for a fantasy Hall of Fame...much like Vada Pinson , but like Pinson, he probably will not make the real Hall of Fame.
Maybe, we should start some kind of on-line Hall of Fame for players like these.
Larry Walker would be a shoo-in. Since we don't have steroids in the fantasy game, just numbers, McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, etc, would get in.
For us, it would not be a lifetime achievment award like Cooperstown. It could include one-year wonders if that one year was enough to put a lot of owners over the top.
Heck, screw the five year waiting period , Ubaldo Jimenez might make it after this year.
Lets give some credit to guys like Maury Wills and Willie McGee and Rico Carty and Felipe Alou and Bobby Bonds and Richie Allen and Fernando Valenzuela.
These guys did not accumulate World Championships, or have a place in the real Hall, but they would have made fantasy Championship rosters.
What do you guys say?
Who is not Hall of Fame material, but is a Hall of Famer on a fantasy team? I would like to nominate Shawn Green. What an amazing 5 year run in the heart of the steroid era and then ...into obscurity.
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Dough,
I don't think I can agree with you on your strict definition of 5 tool. Looking at ESPN rater, there are quite a few that are contributing in all 5 categories about the league average, even Josh H. gets a .65 for SBs. But doesn't Rios deserve some love here as a 5 tool player? Especially given his draft day price? I mean it is one thing for hanley and braun to be mentioned, but with adps <5 they are no brainers...
I don't think I can agree with you on your strict definition of 5 tool. Looking at ESPN rater, there are quite a few that are contributing in all 5 categories about the league average, even Josh H. gets a .65 for SBs. But doesn't Rios deserve some love here as a 5 tool player? Especially given his draft day price? I mean it is one thing for hanley and braun to be mentioned, but with adps <5 they are no brainers...
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Originally posted by Spyhunter:
Dough,
I don't think I can agree with you on your strict definition of 5 tool. Looking at ESPN rater, there are quite a few that are contributing in all 5 categories about the league average, even Josh H. gets a .65 for SBs. But doesn't Rios deserve some love here as a 5 tool player? Especially given his draft day price? I mean it is one thing for hanley and braun to be mentioned, but with adps Good point and taken.
I probably am trying to hold the five category player to too high of a standard.
Rios has had a great year.
You'd think that more than two players would rank in the top 50 of each category.
Rios is closer than most players.
Dough,
I don't think I can agree with you on your strict definition of 5 tool. Looking at ESPN rater, there are quite a few that are contributing in all 5 categories about the league average, even Josh H. gets a .65 for SBs. But doesn't Rios deserve some love here as a 5 tool player? Especially given his draft day price? I mean it is one thing for hanley and braun to be mentioned, but with adps Good point and taken.
I probably am trying to hold the five category player to too high of a standard.
Rios has had a great year.
You'd think that more than two players would rank in the top 50 of each category.
Rios is closer than most players.
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Five Category Player
Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
What do you guys say?
Who is not Hall of Fame material, but is a Hall of Famer on a fantasy team? cue the Conan music - in the year 2000!
Richard Hidalgo will hit 44 hr's, score 118 runs, knock in 122 rbi's, bat .314, AND steal 13 bases.
also agree w/ Scott B....Abreu was about as good as it gets for ALL 5 cat's, except for maybe another ex-Phil...Marlon Byrd
What do you guys say?
Who is not Hall of Fame material, but is a Hall of Famer on a fantasy team? cue the Conan music - in the year 2000!
Richard Hidalgo will hit 44 hr's, score 118 runs, knock in 122 rbi's, bat .314, AND steal 13 bases.
also agree w/ Scott B....Abreu was about as good as it gets for ALL 5 cat's, except for maybe another ex-Phil...Marlon Byrd
Always be closing.
Five Category Player
Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by Spyhunter:
Dough,
I don't think I can agree with you on your strict definition of 5 tool. Looking at ESPN rater, there are quite a few that are contributing in all 5 categories about the league average, even Josh H. gets a .65 for SBs. But doesn't Rios deserve some love here as a 5 tool player? Especially given his draft day price? I mean it is one thing for hanley and braun to be mentioned, but with adps Good point and taken.
I probably am trying to hold the five category player to too high of a standard.
Rios has had a great year.
You'd think that more than two players would rank in the top 50 of each category.
Rios is closer than most players. [/QUOTE]I agree, I was pretty surprised that Rios didn't qualify to be honest. Top 50 doesn't sound crazy but I guess being in the top 8% or so on each category is pretty tough!!!
quote:Originally posted by Spyhunter:
Dough,
I don't think I can agree with you on your strict definition of 5 tool. Looking at ESPN rater, there are quite a few that are contributing in all 5 categories about the league average, even Josh H. gets a .65 for SBs. But doesn't Rios deserve some love here as a 5 tool player? Especially given his draft day price? I mean it is one thing for hanley and braun to be mentioned, but with adps Good point and taken.
I probably am trying to hold the five category player to too high of a standard.
Rios has had a great year.
You'd think that more than two players would rank in the top 50 of each category.
Rios is closer than most players. [/QUOTE]I agree, I was pretty surprised that Rios didn't qualify to be honest. Top 50 doesn't sound crazy but I guess being in the top 8% or so on each category is pretty tough!!!
Five Category Player
With his recent rampage, Carlos Gonzalez is now in the top 32 of every category.
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Wait! I never had the perfect draft!
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