I certainly felt the level of competition of the Supers was more than that of a main event. HOWEVER, when someone places #1 overall in the main event, he beat all those same owners that were in the Super, Ultimate or Diamond league.
face it, the players were available for anyone to win the 100K this year. steve put together the puzzle quicker than anyone else.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:
As someone who's competed and not had success in Ultimates and Supers I can say they are head and shoulders tougher than main events. Don't get me wrong the main event is the real deal but you still may have 3-5 sub par owners per league. I would say the same thing for satellites being easier than the main event.
Every year when I find out who's in my league I scan the lifetime rankings and its glaring the talent in the room for the supers, diamonds, and ultimates. Of course there are others who have just as much skill but can't afford or choose not to. The last sentence sums it up for me.
I've played in a Super and didn't feel that much more intensity from the competitors. Moreso from myself.
I'm like the guy who gets mugged.
The robber saying, "Your money or your life!" After waiting a bit, he repeats, "YOUR MONEY OR YOUR LIFE!!"
My response,"I'm thinking, I'm thinking!!" [/QUOTE]Further....
My grandsons call me Mr Krabs from the SpongeBob SquarePants cartoon....
Buying perfume for my wife, the cashier showed me a $50 bottle. I asked for something a little less expensive. She showed me a bottle at $30. I told her I didn't want to pay that much, she showed me one for $20. I said, "Alright, cards on the table show me something that is cheap!"
She handed me a mirror.
quote:Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:
As someone who's competed and not had success in Ultimates and Supers I can say they are head and shoulders tougher than main events. Don't get me wrong the main event is the real deal but you still may have 3-5 sub par owners per league. I would say the same thing for satellites being easier than the main event.
Every year when I find out who's in my league I scan the lifetime rankings and its glaring the talent in the room for the supers, diamonds, and ultimates. Of course there are others who have just as much skill but can't afford or choose not to. The last sentence sums it up for me.
I've played in a Super and didn't feel that much more intensity from the competitors. Moreso from myself.
I'm like the guy who gets mugged.
The robber saying, "Your money or your life!" After waiting a bit, he repeats, "YOUR MONEY OR YOUR LIFE!!"
My response,"I'm thinking, I'm thinking!!" [/QUOTE]Further....
My grandsons call me Mr Krabs from the SpongeBob SquarePants cartoon....
Buying perfume for my wife, the cashier showed me a $50 bottle. I asked for something a little less expensive. She showed me a bottle at $30. I told her I didn't want to pay that much, she showed me one for $20. I said, "Alright, cards on the table show me something that is cheap!"
She handed me a mirror.
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Greg, Could you please give me the stat line on Jim Stanard?
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Interesting discussion.
I took part in my first Super this year along with my 2nd & 3rd Main Events leagues.
There are probably some extremely talented players who would never drop $10K for a Diamond. There are probably some very talented Main Event or $250 satellite players who just can't rationalize dropping $2500 for a Super.
There are even some here arguing for the Super or Ultimate or Diamond who would never drop $25K for the WCOFF Platinum.
Both the Super and my Main Events were just as intense during the drafts. That said, where I noticed a difference was in FAAB and in-season management. Nobody ever slipped in the Super, everyone seemed on top of every single player. The intensity also never waned, noone quit in the Super, while there were several no-shows in September for the Main Event leagues.
I think what drives people to higher levels is success in lower levels. If they can afford it, and of course that's a big if, they decide to test themselves in the higher entry leagues. So as you move up the ladder, you get more and more players who've had success at the prior level. I think that's what creates the biggest difference in the competition between cost levels. As you increase the entry cost, there are less and less poor or average players and more & more successful players. Therefore if the percentage of talented players in a league increases as the cost of the league increases, winning or cashing in the league naturally becomes more difficult.
After all, you likely would never see someone start out year one with a Diamond.
Glenn
I took part in my first Super this year along with my 2nd & 3rd Main Events leagues.
There are probably some extremely talented players who would never drop $10K for a Diamond. There are probably some very talented Main Event or $250 satellite players who just can't rationalize dropping $2500 for a Super.
There are even some here arguing for the Super or Ultimate or Diamond who would never drop $25K for the WCOFF Platinum.
Both the Super and my Main Events were just as intense during the drafts. That said, where I noticed a difference was in FAAB and in-season management. Nobody ever slipped in the Super, everyone seemed on top of every single player. The intensity also never waned, noone quit in the Super, while there were several no-shows in September for the Main Event leagues.
I think what drives people to higher levels is success in lower levels. If they can afford it, and of course that's a big if, they decide to test themselves in the higher entry leagues. So as you move up the ladder, you get more and more players who've had success at the prior level. I think that's what creates the biggest difference in the competition between cost levels. As you increase the entry cost, there are less and less poor or average players and more & more successful players. Therefore if the percentage of talented players in a league increases as the cost of the league increases, winning or cashing in the league naturally becomes more difficult.
After all, you likely would never see someone start out year one with a Diamond.
Glenn
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That's also why we're all here. I'm sure every one of us had success in our $100 local leagues and when we heard about the NFBC, decided to test ourselves on a national level. I seriously doubt any of us would be here if we never cashed against our friends & neighbors.
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First year of the NFFC I was in the main event ... first football lge I'd ever played in. Didn't do so well. 
... although I had been a rotisserie baseball player.
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... although I had been a rotisserie baseball player.
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Okay, it's time to resurrect this thread and get folks reading the accomplishments of some of our top players again. I need to order some plaques and get the festivities planned for our inaugural NFBC Hall of Fame class. Time to finalize this.
Check out this thread for the accomplishments. Tom and I are going to make the final calls and we'll likely narrow our list to 5 worthy finalists and then pick the final inductees. We'll likely announce this in the next few weeks and give these honored members a little time to prepare their 5-second speeches. Sorry, on Draft Day we don't have much time for long speeches!!!
Congrats all. This is a worthy, worthy group we have listed on this thread.
Check out this thread for the accomplishments. Tom and I are going to make the final calls and we'll likely narrow our list to 5 worthy finalists and then pick the final inductees. We'll likely announce this in the next few weeks and give these honored members a little time to prepare their 5-second speeches. Sorry, on Draft Day we don't have much time for long speeches!!!
Congrats all. This is a worthy, worthy group we have listed on this thread.
Greg Ambrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
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Hopefully everyone is so through fanball bashing that we can actually express an opposing opinion without sounding negative.
I for one strongly dislike this idea. We are all together because of baseball. Use baseball as some sort of guide. No one not Jupinka or Childs who I have an immense amount of respect for both have built a hall of fame resume after 7 years. I have to wonder if they even see themselves as hall of famers.
We are coming out of a sad era in the nfbc. I call it the idea a day era from Gannon to VIP parties.
This event works for 3 reasons 1) Good planning and execution by professionals 2) Great people 3) A love for baseball. I for one can come back and do the exact same thing every year. Talk baseball and connect with old friends. I am not suggesting we never try to improve or change. I am saying that too much of it did not turn out well. I see this as a carryover from that era. Just my opinion. I hate it when people speak for others on these boards. If others agree they will post if they do not then move forward and I will be the first dork out of my seat giving Childs a standing O.
I for one strongly dislike this idea. We are all together because of baseball. Use baseball as some sort of guide. No one not Jupinka or Childs who I have an immense amount of respect for both have built a hall of fame resume after 7 years. I have to wonder if they even see themselves as hall of famers.
We are coming out of a sad era in the nfbc. I call it the idea a day era from Gannon to VIP parties.
This event works for 3 reasons 1) Good planning and execution by professionals 2) Great people 3) A love for baseball. I for one can come back and do the exact same thing every year. Talk baseball and connect with old friends. I am not suggesting we never try to improve or change. I am saying that too much of it did not turn out well. I see this as a carryover from that era. Just my opinion. I hate it when people speak for others on these boards. If others agree they will post if they do not then move forward and I will be the first dork out of my seat giving Childs a standing O.
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Chest, The idea was Greg's and it was suppose to be after 10 years. Fanball might of moved up the date. Greg I think you should move it back to 10 years. 10th NFBC mag with the hall of fame winners on the cover. Thats the ticket!
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Originally posted by Walla Walla:
Chest, The idea was Greg's and it was suppose to be after 10 years. Fanball might of moved up the date. Greg I think you should move it back to 10 years. 10th NFBC mag with the hall of fame winners on the cover. Thats the ticket! Walla for once we agree. To me this would be the Eric Davis/Will Clark HOF. 10 is a much better number. Now I have to get back and see if any girls gave Baseball Furies a valentines day card today.
Chest, The idea was Greg's and it was suppose to be after 10 years. Fanball might of moved up the date. Greg I think you should move it back to 10 years. 10th NFBC mag with the hall of fame winners on the cover. Thats the ticket!
Walla for once we agree. To me this would be the Eric Davis/Will Clark HOF. 10 is a much better number. Now I have to get back and see if any girls gave Baseball Furies a valentines day card today.
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Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I have to wonder if they even see themselves as hall of famers. At the risk of sounding insincere, you are right about that Chest. FWIW and speaking for myself of course.
Considering what could have happened, we're all damn fortunate things worked out. Instead of singling out a select few, maybe this season we celebrate the NFBC community, of which makes this contest so special. The HOF can wait a year or two
I have to wonder if they even see themselves as hall of famers. At the risk of sounding insincere, you are right about that Chest. FWIW and speaking for myself of course.
Considering what could have happened, we're all damn fortunate things worked out. Instead of singling out a select few, maybe this season we celebrate the NFBC community, of which makes this contest so special. The HOF can wait a year or two
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
DAVID DIDONATO
NFBC FACTS
Entered: 15 leagues since 2005
Won: 4 league titles (33.3%)
2nd: 1 times (51.5% in Top 2)
3rd: 3 (53.3% in money)
4th: 2
5th: 1
6th: 1
7th: 2 (14 of 15 or 93.3% in top half)
Other finishes: 8th
Main Events: 6
1st: 2
2nd: 0
3rd: 1 (cashed 50%)
4th: 2
7th: 1
David won the $100,000 grand prize during his second year in the NFBC (2006) and has four Top 70 finishes. He has finished 70th, 1st, 64th, 97th, 157th and 65th.
But David is our second leading money winner in the NFBC thanks to his overall title and his dominance in the very high-stakes private leagues. He is the only NFBC owner to win two Ultimate Draft Leagues and he finished third in two other Ultimates. He also finished second last year in the debut NFBC Diamond League. Although he has competed in only 15 NFBC events to date, he has won four and has one of the very best cost/winnings ratios in the NFBC.
My records might be off slightly, but David has spent approximately $44,000 in NFBC entry fees and has won $240,750.
Here's David's resume in the NFBC:
2005: 3rd Main Event, 1st Ultimate
2006: 1st Main Event, 3rd Ultimate
2007: 1st Main, 3rd Ultimate
2008: 4th Main Event, 1st Ultimate
2009: 7th Main Event, 6th Online Championship, 5th Ultimate, 8th $250 Sat
2010: 4th Main Event, 2nd Diamond, 7th Live Double Play
Is this person Hall of Fame ready? Are these the type of credentials that warrant a spot in the inaugural NFBC Hall of Fame? You be the judge. Mind boggling net profit numbers. The list should start with him it looks like. Incredible.
DAVID DIDONATO
NFBC FACTS
Entered: 15 leagues since 2005
Won: 4 league titles (33.3%)
2nd: 1 times (51.5% in Top 2)
3rd: 3 (53.3% in money)
4th: 2
5th: 1
6th: 1
7th: 2 (14 of 15 or 93.3% in top half)
Other finishes: 8th
Main Events: 6
1st: 2
2nd: 0
3rd: 1 (cashed 50%)
4th: 2
7th: 1
David won the $100,000 grand prize during his second year in the NFBC (2006) and has four Top 70 finishes. He has finished 70th, 1st, 64th, 97th, 157th and 65th.
But David is our second leading money winner in the NFBC thanks to his overall title and his dominance in the very high-stakes private leagues. He is the only NFBC owner to win two Ultimate Draft Leagues and he finished third in two other Ultimates. He also finished second last year in the debut NFBC Diamond League. Although he has competed in only 15 NFBC events to date, he has won four and has one of the very best cost/winnings ratios in the NFBC.
My records might be off slightly, but David has spent approximately $44,000 in NFBC entry fees and has won $240,750.
Here's David's resume in the NFBC:
2005: 3rd Main Event, 1st Ultimate
2006: 1st Main Event, 3rd Ultimate
2007: 1st Main, 3rd Ultimate
2008: 4th Main Event, 1st Ultimate
2009: 7th Main Event, 6th Online Championship, 5th Ultimate, 8th $250 Sat
2010: 4th Main Event, 2nd Diamond, 7th Live Double Play
Is this person Hall of Fame ready? Are these the type of credentials that warrant a spot in the inaugural NFBC Hall of Fame? You be the judge. Mind boggling net profit numbers. The list should start with him it looks like. Incredible.
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
LINDY HINKELMAN
NFBC FACTS
Entered: 26 leagues since 2005
Won: 2 league titles (7.7%)
2nd: 6 times (30.8% in Top 2)
3rd: 4 (42.3% in money; one was OC)
4th: 1
5th: 3
6th: 1
7th: 1 (18 of 26 or 69.2% in top half)
Other finishes: 8th (2), 9th, 10th, 13th, 14th (2).
Main Events: 6
1st: 1 (also won overall)
2nd: 1
3rd: 1 (cashed 50%)
5th: 2
14th: 1
Lindy had the perfect season in 2009, winning the overall titles in the Main Event and the Online Championship to earn a $75,000 cash bonus. It's now called "The Lindy." He remains our NFBC Money Leader thanks to that $241,300 season. He has been competing in the Main Event since 2005 and has finished 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th, 1st and 14th.
He struggled this year to defend his Main Event title and cashed in only one of six events, a second place finish in the Live Double Play.
My records might be off slightly because I know Lindy shared teams early on with other owners, but it looks like Lindy has spent approximately $48,000 in NFBC entry fees and has won $245,300 (not counting partnerships).
Lindy has the two league titles from 2009 and has finished second in the Ultimate Auction League three times, just missing a title in that prestigious event. He also has a second and a third place finish in the $1,250 NL Auction League.
Here's Lindy's resume in the NFBC:
2005: 5th Main Event, 2nd $1250 NL Auction, 2nd Ultimate Auction
2006: 3rd Main Event, 2nd Ultimate Auction, 3rd $1250 NL Auction, 8th $1250 AL Auction
2007: 2nd Main Event, 6th $1250 NL, 7th Ultimate Auction, 3rd Sack Sat
2008: 5th Main Event, 14th Ultimate Auction, 6th $1300 NL Auction, 8th $125 Sat, 5th $125 Sat
2009: 1st Main Event, 1st Online Championship, 2nd Ultimate Auction, 4th $1300 NL Auction
2010: 14th Main Event, 3rd Online Championship, 2nd Live Double Play, 10th Live Double Play, 9th Auction Championship, 13th Ultimate Auction
Is this person Hall of Fame ready? Are these the type of credentials that warrant a spot in the inaugural NFBC Hall of Fame? You be the judge. Also incredible profit ratio. Should be in if there is a hall on my opinion.
LINDY HINKELMAN
NFBC FACTS
Entered: 26 leagues since 2005
Won: 2 league titles (7.7%)
2nd: 6 times (30.8% in Top 2)
3rd: 4 (42.3% in money; one was OC)
4th: 1
5th: 3
6th: 1
7th: 1 (18 of 26 or 69.2% in top half)
Other finishes: 8th (2), 9th, 10th, 13th, 14th (2).
Main Events: 6
1st: 1 (also won overall)
2nd: 1
3rd: 1 (cashed 50%)
5th: 2
14th: 1
Lindy had the perfect season in 2009, winning the overall titles in the Main Event and the Online Championship to earn a $75,000 cash bonus. It's now called "The Lindy." He remains our NFBC Money Leader thanks to that $241,300 season. He has been competing in the Main Event since 2005 and has finished 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th, 1st and 14th.
He struggled this year to defend his Main Event title and cashed in only one of six events, a second place finish in the Live Double Play.
My records might be off slightly because I know Lindy shared teams early on with other owners, but it looks like Lindy has spent approximately $48,000 in NFBC entry fees and has won $245,300 (not counting partnerships).
Lindy has the two league titles from 2009 and has finished second in the Ultimate Auction League three times, just missing a title in that prestigious event. He also has a second and a third place finish in the $1,250 NL Auction League.
Here's Lindy's resume in the NFBC:
2005: 5th Main Event, 2nd $1250 NL Auction, 2nd Ultimate Auction
2006: 3rd Main Event, 2nd Ultimate Auction, 3rd $1250 NL Auction, 8th $1250 AL Auction
2007: 2nd Main Event, 6th $1250 NL, 7th Ultimate Auction, 3rd Sack Sat
2008: 5th Main Event, 14th Ultimate Auction, 6th $1300 NL Auction, 8th $125 Sat, 5th $125 Sat
2009: 1st Main Event, 1st Online Championship, 2nd Ultimate Auction, 4th $1300 NL Auction
2010: 14th Main Event, 3rd Online Championship, 2nd Live Double Play, 10th Live Double Play, 9th Auction Championship, 13th Ultimate Auction
Is this person Hall of Fame ready? Are these the type of credentials that warrant a spot in the inaugural NFBC Hall of Fame? You be the judge. Also incredible profit ratio. Should be in if there is a hall on my opinion.
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
DAVID LONGOOD
NFBC FACTS
Entered: 22 leagues since 2004
Won: 4 league titles (18.2%)
2nd: 2 times (27.3% in Top 2)
3rd: 3 (40.9% in money)
4th: 2
5th: 0
6th: 4
7th: 0 (68.2% in top half)
Other finishes: 9th (2), 10th, 11th, 12th (2), 13th.
Main Events: 7
1st: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 1 (cashed 28.6%)
4th: 2
6th: 1
9th: 1
11th: 1
David and his two sons have won three Ultimate Auction League titles, an NFBC record, and they won their first Main Event League title in 2010 while placing sixth overall. They are now third in the NFBC in the Money Leaders list with $142,360. Three $40,000 checks will do that for ya. They admittedly have had more success in auctions than drafts, having finished overall in the main event 150th, 31st, 196th, 68th, 167th, 104th and 6th.
My records might be off slightly, but David has spent approximately $40,500 in NFBC entry fees and has won $142,360.
Again, David has won titles in the following formats:
Main Event (1)
Ultimate Auction League (3)
David also has a second place finish in the $1250 Mixed Auction League and the 12-team Online Championship.
Here's David's resume in the NFBC:
2004: 11th Main Event
2005: 3rd Main Event, 1st Ultimate Auction
2006: 9th Main Event, 6th Ultimate Auction
2007: 4th Main, 1st Ultimate Auction, 2nd $1250 Mixed Auction
2008: 6th Main Event, 3rd $1250 Mixed Auction, 13th Ultimate Auction
2009: 4th Main Event, 1st Ultimate Auction, 2nd Online Championship, 12th Online Championship, 6th $500 Sat, 6th $1300 Mixed Auction
2010: 1st Main Event, 3rd Ultimate Auction, 9th Online DP, 12th Online DP, 10th Auction Championship
Is this person Hall of Fame ready? Are these the type of credentials that warrant a spot in the inaugural NFBC Hall of Fame? You be the judge. Something tells me it was a horrible idea to enter the ultimate auction. Wow, this is impressive.
DAVID LONGOOD
NFBC FACTS
Entered: 22 leagues since 2004
Won: 4 league titles (18.2%)
2nd: 2 times (27.3% in Top 2)
3rd: 3 (40.9% in money)
4th: 2
5th: 0
6th: 4
7th: 0 (68.2% in top half)
Other finishes: 9th (2), 10th, 11th, 12th (2), 13th.
Main Events: 7
1st: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 1 (cashed 28.6%)
4th: 2
6th: 1
9th: 1
11th: 1
David and his two sons have won three Ultimate Auction League titles, an NFBC record, and they won their first Main Event League title in 2010 while placing sixth overall. They are now third in the NFBC in the Money Leaders list with $142,360. Three $40,000 checks will do that for ya. They admittedly have had more success in auctions than drafts, having finished overall in the main event 150th, 31st, 196th, 68th, 167th, 104th and 6th.
My records might be off slightly, but David has spent approximately $40,500 in NFBC entry fees and has won $142,360.
Again, David has won titles in the following formats:
Main Event (1)
Ultimate Auction League (3)
David also has a second place finish in the $1250 Mixed Auction League and the 12-team Online Championship.
Here's David's resume in the NFBC:
2004: 11th Main Event
2005: 3rd Main Event, 1st Ultimate Auction
2006: 9th Main Event, 6th Ultimate Auction
2007: 4th Main, 1st Ultimate Auction, 2nd $1250 Mixed Auction
2008: 6th Main Event, 3rd $1250 Mixed Auction, 13th Ultimate Auction
2009: 4th Main Event, 1st Ultimate Auction, 2nd Online Championship, 12th Online Championship, 6th $500 Sat, 6th $1300 Mixed Auction
2010: 1st Main Event, 3rd Ultimate Auction, 9th Online DP, 12th Online DP, 10th Auction Championship
Is this person Hall of Fame ready? Are these the type of credentials that warrant a spot in the inaugural NFBC Hall of Fame? You be the judge. Something tells me it was a horrible idea to enter the ultimate auction. Wow, this is impressive.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
I'll agree to disagree that the intensity is any less in a Main League. Bigger the league the harder the league most times. It is common sense mostly. Many of the satty leagues you have different people at different levels of their preperation for starters. If one of the best is taking his first shot of the year in a small one to learn the pool for the year etc, and another guy is well ahead on prep and has done 7 or 8 already, there is no way you can say the intensity is the same as when the big ones go down and everyone should be at their max preparation levels.
I'll agree to disagree that the intensity is any less in a Main League. Bigger the league the harder the league most times. It is common sense mostly. Many of the satty leagues you have different people at different levels of their preperation for starters. If one of the best is taking his first shot of the year in a small one to learn the pool for the year etc, and another guy is well ahead on prep and has done 7 or 8 already, there is no way you can say the intensity is the same as when the big ones go down and everyone should be at their max preparation levels.
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So, let me get this straight, you are not at maximum prep level for the Main, but you are for the Super or Ultimate?
Explain.
Explain.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
So, let me get this straight, you are not at maximum prep level for the Main, but you are for the Super or Ultimate?
Explain. Main event is at the end so people should be at their optimal preparation levels. However, the satties not close to the case, as I stated.
So, let me get this straight, you are not at maximum prep level for the Main, but you are for the Super or Ultimate?
Explain. Main event is at the end so people should be at their optimal preparation levels. However, the satties not close to the case, as I stated.
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The quote you highlighted was about Mains, compared to Supers and ultimates.
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Are you more impressed by somebody winning two or three ultimates or somebody finishing in the money in 13 of 14 events, including Mains and auctions and satelites?
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
The quote you highlighted was about Mains, compared to Supers and ultimates. I guess I though it would be very clear that since I quoted that, I believe the large cash leagues will be better leagues. Additionally, it sounded like throughout the thread you implied that you believed smaller league accomplishments were as impressive as the rest. I don't think so and stated why. Sorry my post left you confused. I will try to be more clear next time. Now back to the regularly scheduled hall of fame discussion. A bunch of very qualified candidates.
The quote you highlighted was about Mains, compared to Supers and ultimates. I guess I though it would be very clear that since I quoted that, I believe the large cash leagues will be better leagues. Additionally, it sounded like throughout the thread you implied that you believed smaller league accomplishments were as impressive as the rest. I don't think so and stated why. Sorry my post left you confused. I will try to be more clear next time. Now back to the regularly scheduled hall of fame discussion. A bunch of very qualified candidates.
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That stuff was six months ago, please forgive the confusion....
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Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Are you more impressed by somebody winning two or three ultimates or somebody finishing in the money in 13 of 14 events, including Mains and auctions and satelites? It is an interesting question. Both wonderful accomplishments and each guy obviously would have met his objective and that is the main thing.
For me, the money is the most important thing. Being a guy that plays over 130 football teams at all sorts of price points, this shouldn't be a surprise. I do feel that the price of a football league is a far less as big an indicator of the talent in it than baseball is though. I have no basis for this belief since I am new to fantasy baseball and have never even played a cash league before.
What that fella is doing in the ultimate auction every year for instance is amazing to me. What Mark did was incredible as well, but dominating a big league year in and year out is much more impressive to me than what Mark did, as drilling the player pool in later rounds extrapolates itself among many of your teams in a given year I would imagine. But I can certainly understand someones logic in believing the other way around. They are both incredible.
Are you more impressed by somebody winning two or three ultimates or somebody finishing in the money in 13 of 14 events, including Mains and auctions and satelites? It is an interesting question. Both wonderful accomplishments and each guy obviously would have met his objective and that is the main thing.
For me, the money is the most important thing. Being a guy that plays over 130 football teams at all sorts of price points, this shouldn't be a surprise. I do feel that the price of a football league is a far less as big an indicator of the talent in it than baseball is though. I have no basis for this belief since I am new to fantasy baseball and have never even played a cash league before.
What that fella is doing in the ultimate auction every year for instance is amazing to me. What Mark did was incredible as well, but dominating a big league year in and year out is much more impressive to me than what Mark did, as drilling the player pool in later rounds extrapolates itself among many of your teams in a given year I would imagine. But I can certainly understand someones logic in believing the other way around. They are both incredible.
Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
And for me, the money is not the important thing. The Ultimate is made up of basically the same core of owners. Those that can afford it.
The accomplishment of winning 13 of 14 events over a wide scale of different drafts impresses me a lot. In effect, Mark beat out over 150 different owners instead of the same basic core.
Mark and a few other real solid owners don't enter the Ultimate. It's too bad. But, it reinforces my opinion, that more money,doesn't necessarily mean best players.
The accomplishment of winning 13 of 14 events over a wide scale of different drafts impresses me a lot. In effect, Mark beat out over 150 different owners instead of the same basic core.
Mark and a few other real solid owners don't enter the Ultimate. It's too bad. But, it reinforces my opinion, that more money,doesn't necessarily mean best players.
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Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
And for me, the money is not the important thing. The Ultimate is made up of basically the same core of owners. Those that can afford it.
The accomplishment of winning 13 of 14 events over a wide scale of different drafts impresses me a lot. In effect, Mark beat out over 150 different owners instead of the same basic core.
Mark and a few other real solid owners don't enter the Ultimate. It's too bad. But, it reinforces my opinion, that more money,doesn't necessarily mean best players. I agree with Dan, wealthy owners do not always equal best owners. I know quite a few very good fantasy players that can't afford the Main let alone the Diamond, Ultimate, or Super leagues.
As far as the Hall of Fame, although Steve, Shawn, etc are very deserving right now, I think you should wait another year or two...a lot of the story is yet to be told.
[ February 09, 2011, 03:17 AM: Message edited by: Cobb ]
And for me, the money is not the important thing. The Ultimate is made up of basically the same core of owners. Those that can afford it.
The accomplishment of winning 13 of 14 events over a wide scale of different drafts impresses me a lot. In effect, Mark beat out over 150 different owners instead of the same basic core.
Mark and a few other real solid owners don't enter the Ultimate. It's too bad. But, it reinforces my opinion, that more money,doesn't necessarily mean best players. I agree with Dan, wealthy owners do not always equal best owners. I know quite a few very good fantasy players that can't afford the Main let alone the Diamond, Ultimate, or Super leagues.
As far as the Hall of Fame, although Steve, Shawn, etc are very deserving right now, I think you should wait another year or two...a lot of the story is yet to be told.
[ February 09, 2011, 03:17 AM: Message edited by: Cobb ]
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Who Deserves To Be In The Inaugural Class Of NFBC Hall of Fame?
Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
Hopefully everyone is so through fanball bashing that we can actually express an opposing opinion without sounding negative.
I for one strongly dislike this idea. We are all together because of baseball. Use baseball as some sort of guide. No one not Jupinka or Childs who I have an immense amount of respect for both have built a hall of fame resume after 7 years. I have to wonder if they even see themselves as hall of famers.
We are coming out of a sad era in the nfbc. I call it the idea a day era from Gannon to VIP parties.
This event works for 3 reasons 1) Good planning and execution by professionals 2) Great people 3) A love for baseball. I for one can come back and do the exact same thing every year. Talk baseball and connect with old friends. I am not suggesting we never try to improve or change. I am saying that too much of it did not turn out well. I see this as a carryover from that era. Just my opinion. I hate it when people speak for others on these boards. If others agree they will post if they do not then move forward and I will be the first dork out of my seat giving Childs a standing O. I appreciate the feedback Kent, but this is not a promotional gimmick to get a good feeling going again. We are a 7-year-old contest with a strong history and a strong track record of success among some of our participants and I think it does differentiate ourselves from the rest in this business. We have owners who have proven their mettle through seven solid years of competition and I'd like to recognize them. For others, it's an honor to possibly strive for.
I think you make a good point and I understand your feeling. Heck, in the NFFC I'm not sure we have the type of dominance we've seen in baseball and I'm not sure now is the time to do this in football. But I feel that we have a solid track record to look at as you can see throughout this thread and it's an honor to single out some of these owners and not a gimmick in my eyes.
Again, you make a solid point and you are right this is a time for this community to come together. And we will as we honor the best of the best with our Hall of Fame inductions.
Hopefully everyone is so through fanball bashing that we can actually express an opposing opinion without sounding negative.
I for one strongly dislike this idea. We are all together because of baseball. Use baseball as some sort of guide. No one not Jupinka or Childs who I have an immense amount of respect for both have built a hall of fame resume after 7 years. I have to wonder if they even see themselves as hall of famers.
We are coming out of a sad era in the nfbc. I call it the idea a day era from Gannon to VIP parties.
This event works for 3 reasons 1) Good planning and execution by professionals 2) Great people 3) A love for baseball. I for one can come back and do the exact same thing every year. Talk baseball and connect with old friends. I am not suggesting we never try to improve or change. I am saying that too much of it did not turn out well. I see this as a carryover from that era. Just my opinion. I hate it when people speak for others on these boards. If others agree they will post if they do not then move forward and I will be the first dork out of my seat giving Childs a standing O. I appreciate the feedback Kent, but this is not a promotional gimmick to get a good feeling going again. We are a 7-year-old contest with a strong history and a strong track record of success among some of our participants and I think it does differentiate ourselves from the rest in this business. We have owners who have proven their mettle through seven solid years of competition and I'd like to recognize them. For others, it's an honor to possibly strive for.
I think you make a good point and I understand your feeling. Heck, in the NFFC I'm not sure we have the type of dominance we've seen in baseball and I'm not sure now is the time to do this in football. But I feel that we have a solid track record to look at as you can see throughout this thread and it's an honor to single out some of these owners and not a gimmick in my eyes.
Again, you make a solid point and you are right this is a time for this community to come together. And we will as we honor the best of the best with our Hall of Fame inductions.
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