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DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:55 am

The 'War and Peace' of analysis.

Makes me proud, Shawn.

Awesome stuff

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:28 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

The 'War and Peace' of analysis.

Makes me proud, Shawn.

Awesome stuff Let's not get carried away. The English translation of War and Peace has over 560,000 words. Shawn's article doesn't even hit the 10,000 word count.

With that said, to Mr. Childs, congrats on a masterpiece.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:31 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

The 'War and Peace' of analysis.

Makes me proud, Shawn.

Awesome stuff Let's not get carried away. The English translation of War and Peace has over 560,000 words. Shawn's article doesn't even hit the 10,000 word count.

With that said, to Mr. Childs, congrats on a masterpiece. [/QUOTE]Not carried away, maybe even more impressed that you know the word counts in each.

This is a post, not a book, there has to be some kind of offset, right?

56-1, maybe

[ January 07, 2011, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:49 am

What does everyone think of the Matt Garza deal?

Garza is a high strung player who seems to revel in every fifth day inconsistency.

Long Gone, you're a minor league expert, good deal for the Rays or Cubs?

Are Cub fans happy today?

Winston's Empire · Post by **Winston's Empire** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:05 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

What does everyone think of the Matt Garza deal?

Garza is a high strung player who seems to revel in every fifth day inconsistency.

Long Gone, you're a minor league expert, good deal for the Rays or Cubs?

Are Cub fans happy today? I consider myself a Cubs fan and don't think this trade helps the Cubs with anything, but maybe a short term caffeine high. Garza is a good pitcher at times and could even become a legit stud, but that isn't going to put the Cubs into the playoffs. The Cubs have some of the worst contracts in the league on their books and until they start to have more home grown players develop into All Start Caliber players and fill in the gaps with good free agents that aren't over the hill and can actually still play, they will continue to suck!

I honestly believe that I could run the Chicago Cubs better than they have been run the last number of years.

But Hey, Kerry Wood is back! HOLY COW!!!

Ryan C · Post by **Ryan C** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:09 am

I'M no ML expert - but at first glance that's a pretty nice haul for Garza.

Archer was the top arm in the CHI system and looks ready to pitch in the majors this year.

Guyer (OF) and Lee (SS) were also Top 10 prospects for the Cubs. I don't know much about either other than they both bring speed along as part of their games. Lee looks interesting if Sean Rodriguez/Brigniac can't man 2B/SS fulltime.

They also got depth at C in Robinson Chirinos and a 5th OF who is ready for Opening Day (while the prospects develop) in Sam Fuld.

[ January 07, 2011, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: Ryan C ]

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:19 am

This means Garza is now a 7th rd pick in every Kleemann league

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:37 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

This means Garza is now a 7th rd pick in every Kleemann league

He just made his 7th round pick in our league, must not have seen the news yet.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:40 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

Dan, FYI, we almost went through six rounds in the SCL before the first Closer was taken...I think that speaks a lot towards the uncertainty of closer situations this year...or maybe we didn't care about it at that time. Funny thing is, there is uncertainty every year, we just don't know it yet.

Going into last year, the top three closers according to the Forecaster, was Broxton, Street, and Nathan.

He/we could have had his/our pick of the litter for free, and still failed. [/QUOTE]I had Broxton, Wilson, Bell. Two out of three ain't bad.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:43 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

This means Garza is now a 7th rd pick in every Kleemann league

He just made his 7th round pick in our league, must not have seen the news yet. [/QUOTE]seen him go 10th, 12th and 13th round so far. be interesting to see if the cubs homers bump him up further.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:43 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

What does everyone think of the Matt Garza deal?

Garza is a high strung player who seems to revel in every fifth day inconsistency.

Long Gone, you're a minor league expert, good deal for the Rays or Cubs?

Are Cub fans happy today? I'm a partial Cub fan and partially happy. At first glance Archer was the key piece here, being close to ready, so if he proves mediocre or a few years away it looks ok. It will be a tough division to win this season and I think they needed at least another #2 type like Garza to be competitive. Probably not enough still, but enough to give Cub fans hope.

FFBL23 · Post by **FFBL23** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:53 am

Doughboys,

Seeing how you love the Royals, is Moustakas the deal or what?? Will he outperform Pedro Alvarez's numbers from last year or fall short??

LONG GONE · Post by **LONG GONE** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:57 am

Have a hard time trying to understand what the Cubs are doing. It appears to be a plan to nowhare.

I do like Garza, but why do the Cubs need Garza? Does he put them over the top? Would like to see them open up a rotation spot and try Marshall and Cashner as starters.

They should be buyers of young talent not sellers of young talent. The GM should be fired, then replaced with Terry Haney.

LONG GONE · Post by **LONG GONE** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:10 am

I do think the Cubs will sign Prince Fielder for the 2012 season.

JamesH · Post by **JamesH** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:14 am

Garza's ERA and WHIP should improve now that he's in the NL and out of the AL East.

Winston's Empire · Post by **Winston's Empire** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:26 am

Originally posted by LONG GONE:

I do think the Cubs will sign Prince Fielder for the 2012 season. Agree. The Cubs and the Orioles on paper look like the favorites to get Prince. As long as they don't go 8 Years - $200 Millon for him, the Cubs will have a good start at the Corners of their infield. 3B is going to be open next year too.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:32 am

cubs= bears= " jim, you are the gm. do what you feel is correct to win" said the rickets. jim (to self) i make 3 million a year and if i get fired i make 0, and if we don't get better this year- i get fired. i am trading for garza. it may be that simple. none of these moves are made in a vacuum and there are elements to them that just don't get discussed. the bad news for hendry is- lovie has devon hester. However, it isn't like the cubs division is that tough. who picked the giants last year? in chicago- garza = round 7. just tons of cub fans.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:36 am

Originally posted by LONG GONE:

I do think the Cubs will sign Prince Fielder for the 2012 season. First Favre to the Vikings and now Prince to the Cubs?? Yikes!!

Say it ain't so, Kelly, but at least this one wouldn't hurt as much as seeing Brett wearing puky purple. I'm still not over that one!!

GO PACK GO on Sunday!!

JohnP · Post by **JohnP** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:37 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

cubs= bears= " jim, you are the gm. do what you feel is correct to win" said the rickets. jim (to self) i make 3 million a year and if i get fired i make 0, and if we don't get better this year- i get fired. i am trading for garza. it may be that simple. none of these moves are made in a vacuum and there are elements to them that just don't get discussed. the bad news for hendry is- lovie has devon hester. However, it isn't like the cubs division is that tough. who picked the giants last year? in chicago- garza = round 7. just tons of cub fans. And a Kleeman in every league.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:07 am

Originally posted by FFBL23:

Doughboys,

Seeing how you love the Royals, is Moustakas the deal or what?? Will he outperform Pedro Alvarez's numbers from last year or fall short?? This year, the best Royals will be at Omaha. Now, the Storm Chasers.

Yes, I like the Storm Chasers.

And that is who Moustakas will start the year with, unless Moore is silly enough to let him start in Kansas City.

I think Moustakas will be a monster talent. Along the lines of Ryan Zimmerman and maybe with even a little more sock.

Alvarez will be more of an all or nothing hitter. Maybe, like Adam Dunn's first few years before becoming a consistent 40 home run hitter.

Moustakas has star written all over him. I would temper my expectations for this year, fantasy wise. He'll only get four months and most kids have the feeling out process.

But, in the long run, a star.

Most likely, he'll have his biggest years for the Red Sox or Yankees.

[ January 07, 2011, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:22 am

I misread the last part of the question...

Alvarez went 16/64/.256 last year. Moustakas should add at least 20 points to the average.

Home runs are a bit easier for Moustakas, he won't be having a righty specifically coming in to face him as Alvarez did with lefties, I think he beats 16 home runs.

No on the rbi. Besides Billy Butler, the Royals will mostly touch second and third base on defense.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:35 pm

Doughboys, your mail box is full.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:42 pm

We can knock out another 10 pages of chat tonight!

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:42 pm

Good to go, Shawn.

The Franchise · Post by **The Franchise** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:51 pm

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

We can knock out another 10 pages of chat tonight! You might need to lay off the Pepsi. Too much caffeine late at night could lead to you giving up all your secrets.