Phil Hughes

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:41 pm

A friend of mine told me about this (thank god!) while in LV before the main drafts. I guess I had missed the warning signs this spring.

From rotoworld: Yankees pitching coach Larry Rothschild is concerned with Phil Hughes' drop in velocity.

Drop in velocity. uh o. sounds like vazquez from last year!!!!

Winston's Empire · Post by **Winston's Empire** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:08 am

Uh O is right! I decided against keeping him in one of my keeper leagues for only 4 bucks and some friends thought I was nuts. I did take him in a slow draft this year to dip my toe in the water, but I think the gut feeling I had on him going into 2011 is right.... Risky to me, but time will tell...

Ryan C · Post by **Ryan C** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:17 am

Well - it's all over the papers today in NY, which never met a sports story they didn't want to inflate - but I don't think you can deny that the 80+ innings increase last season could be the culprit here. Seems like he's just a week or two behind in building up his arm strength. As far as I can see - there are no whispers of injury, etc. , just a lack or arm strength. I guess if you are worried you could sit him at home this week against a Minn. team stacked with good LH hitters, but I doubt any experienced players are going to overreact (yet

)

Now - those of us (yes - me too) who invested in the real Javy Vazquez, hoping for a 2009-redux, you may have more justification to panic at this point.

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:37 am

2010 ERA by month:

Apr: 2.00

May: 3.03

June: 5.17

July: 5.52

Aug: 4.22

Sep: 4.67

K Rate by Month:

Apr: 9.00

May: 9.08

June: 6.89

July: 6.44

Aug: 5.92

Sep: 7.67

He's a fairly extreme FB pitcher with a league-average swinging strike rate in what is possibly the worst Home park for a RH FB pitcher. He's a solid pitcher, but he's not a stud by any means. I think he'll be fine, but he's a matchup guy rather than a plug and play guy,

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:13 am

Originally posted by Hells Satans:

2010 ERA by month:

Apr: 2.00

May: 3.03

June: 5.17

July: 5.52

Aug: 4.22

Sep: 4.67

K Rate by Month:

Apr: 9.00

May: 9.08

June: 6.89

July: 6.44

Aug: 5.92

Sep: 7.67

He's a fairly extreme FB pitcher with a league-average swinging strike rate in what is possibly the worst Home park for a RH FB pitcher. He's a solid pitcher, but he's not a stud by any means. I think he'll be fine, but he's a matchup guy rather than a plug and play guy, Agree. The declining peripherals from last season are a concern, but even if they bounce back, he will cough up long balls. I had him down for a 7.5 K/9 and my system still charged him with a 4.38 ERA and 1.36 WHIP, albeit with 14 wins over a full season.

Suffice it to say, I'm not an owner.

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:56 am

Not good. He looks fat and out of shape and is pitching like it.

He's lucky the Red Sox keeping running into outs

[ April 08, 2011, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: Hells Satans ]

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:13 am

Really though, I can't get over how fat Hughes is.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:15 am

Originally posted by Hells Satans:

Really though, I can't get over how fat Hughes is. He looked skinny compared to Bartolo Colon, who just replaced him.

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:18 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Hells Satans:

Really though, I can't get over how fat Hughes is. He looked skinny compared to Bartolo Colon, who just replaced him.

[/QUOTE]Poor Ivan Nova probably gets nothing to eat

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:18 am

Hughes and Lackey have topped out at 90 mph.

Colon comes in throwing 94

Hughes and Lackey owners should be worried when a fat, old man can out throw their pitchers.

Paul Gromek · Post by **Paul Gromek** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:24 am

did someone say fat and out of shape?

Asumijet · Post by **Asumijet** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:59 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Hughes and Lackey have topped out at 90 mph.

Colon comes in throwing 94

Hughes and Lackey owners should be worried when a fat, old man can out throw their pitchers.

Dan- I thought you had a thing for drafting fat boys due to their low injury risk?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:03 am

Originally posted by Asumijet:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Hughes and Lackey have topped out at 90 mph.

Colon comes in throwing 94

Hughes and Lackey owners should be worried when a fat, old man can out throw their pitchers.

Dan- I thought you had a thing for drafting fat boys due to their low injury risk?

[/QUOTE]Pitchers are a different animal, Neal.

I could swear I've seen Colon at a few buffets though.

Make fun of them all you want, but whenever players need to know where the best restaurants are, they either go to the fat guys or umpires

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:58 am

Phil Hughes. Damn. The only positive for me is that I sat him this week for one of the two teams I've drafted this bum. Luckily it was the Ultimate.

I still see him turning this around, just hope it's sooner rather than later.

swampass · Post by **swampass** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:01 pm

I still see him turning this around, just hope it's sooner rather than later.

yeah me too... next year....

whats he down... like 5-7 mph?? i smell injury after that big bump in innings coupled with that 2nd half fade....

Rev up the FAAB engines for one Fat Colon.

WOODERSON · Post by **WOODERSON** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:58 am

oblique injury in the waitng! way to many donuts for Phillip, he cant get his arm all way back for gut to find his MPH! no doctor needed on this one

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:10 am

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:18 am

it's safe to drop him now.

Oaktown · Post by **Oaktown** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:23 am

DL now, not AAA

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:25 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

it's safe to drop him now. Not that I think Hughes is really any good, but people who dropped Max Scherzer last year when he was a mess regretted that decision.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:45 am

Originally posted by Hells Satans:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

it's safe to drop him now. Not that I think Hughes is really any good, but people who dropped Max Scherzer last year when he was a mess regretted that decision. [/QUOTE]was scherzer on the DL and did he have a loss in velocity?

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:50 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Hells Satans:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

it's safe to drop him now. Not that I think Hughes is really any good, but people who dropped Max Scherzer last year when he was a mess regretted that decision. [/QUOTE]was scherzer on the DL and did he have a loss in velocity? [/QUOTE]1.) Yes. Scherzer's velocity was down more than 3-5 MPH when he was demoted.

2.) The DL is semantics. It's a save face measure not to demote him to AAA.

swampass · Post by **swampass** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:02 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

it's safe to drop him now. pumping the chumps.. thats what he does best.

doesnt matter the semantics.. he has a plan.. and he is going to execute it every day of the season...

cant wait to see who is next on the pump and dump list. im sure he isnt a hughes owner.. so time to set up the doom and gloom.. not that it takes much effort with hughes' performance so far this season.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:04 am

Originally posted by Hells Satans:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Hells Satans:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

it's safe to drop him now. Not that I think Hughes is really any good, but people who dropped Max Scherzer last year when he was a mess regretted that decision. [/QUOTE]was scherzer on the DL and did he have a loss in velocity? [/QUOTE]1.) Yes. Scherzer's velocity was down more than 3-5 MPH when he was demoted.

2.) The DL is semantics. It's a save face measure not to demote him to AAA. [/QUOTE]since hughes is on the DL and scherzer wasn't, is it POSIBLE that hughes IS hurt?

kgrady · Post by **kgrady** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:54 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Hells Satans:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Hells Satans:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

it's safe to drop him now. Not that I think Hughes is really any good, but people who dropped Max Scherzer last year when he was a mess regretted that decision. [/QUOTE]was scherzer on the DL and did he have a loss in velocity? [/QUOTE]1.) Yes. Scherzer's velocity was down more than 3-5 MPH when he was demoted.

2.) The DL is semantics. It's a save face measure not to demote him to AAA. [/QUOTE]since hughes is on the DL and scherzer wasn't, is it POSIBLE that hughes IS hurt? [/QUOTE]A couple years back the Yankees made a similar move with a struggling Chien-Ming Wang. At the time it appeared that Wang was placed on the DL due to an inflamed ERA and swollen WHIP, but he's never been healthy or effective since then. I don't necessarily sense the same thing here with Hughes, but just the same I'm relieved not to have invested a draft pick on him. My team has enough headaches without trying to figure out what's up with Hughes.

Kevin