Originally posted by Cobb:
I smell a Gekko Scherzer bid coming for Hosmer... i just calculated my max bid for hosmer in all my leagues. i will be making that max bid in all of my leagues this sunday
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I highly doubt 90 OFs outperformed Stanton from June 8th on, which is the proper way to measure it.
Two more points:
(1) if you're measuring ROI, you need to account for the fact that the value of a FAAB dollar depreciates every week.
(2) The ROI should only be in comparison to the available FAAB player pool. It really doesn't matter if there are 30 SS with better numbers than Castro. What matters is how many available players are better than Castro, and, if none, what is the marginal increase in production worth in comparison to the decreasing value of the FAAB $.
I think you're Hosmer projection is probably fair, but likely a little low on the counting stats side, mainly because he will almost certainly get more than 400 ABs.
Two more points:
(1) if you're measuring ROI, you need to account for the fact that the value of a FAAB dollar depreciates every week.
(2) The ROI should only be in comparison to the available FAAB player pool. It really doesn't matter if there are 30 SS with better numbers than Castro. What matters is how many available players are better than Castro, and, if none, what is the marginal increase in production worth in comparison to the decreasing value of the FAAB $.
I think you're Hosmer projection is probably fair, but likely a little low on the counting stats side, mainly because he will almost certainly get more than 400 ABs.
Hosmer
Good points- and I do factor in depreciation. Long way to go right now. What I dont get it statemnts like he could 30 HR's the rest fo the way. No where in his past performance does he project that type of power now. Maybe down the road as he matures physically and skills wise. He's only 21 and probaly still growing.
I highly doubt 90 OFs outperformed Stanton from June 8th on, which is the proper way to measure it.
Two more points:
(1) if you're measuring ROI, you need to account for the fact that the value of a FAAB dollar depreciates every week.
(2) The ROI should only be in comparison to the available FAAB player pool. It really doesn't matter if there are 30 SS with better numbers than Castro. What matters is how many available players are better than Castro, and, if none, what is the marginal increase in production worth in comparison to the decreasing value of the FAAB $.
I think you're Hosmer projection is probably fair, but likely a little low on the counting stats side, mainly because he will almost certainly get more than 400 ABs.
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I highly doubt 90 OFs outperformed Stanton from June 8th on, which is the proper way to measure it.
Two more points:
(1) if you're measuring ROI, you need to account for the fact that the value of a FAAB dollar depreciates every week.
(2) The ROI should only be in comparison to the available FAAB player pool. It really doesn't matter if there are 30 SS with better numbers than Castro. What matters is how many available players are better than Castro, and, if none, what is the marginal increase in production worth in comparison to the decreasing value of the FAAB $.
I think you're Hosmer projection is probably fair, but likely a little low on the counting stats side, mainly because he will almost certainly get more than 400 ABs.
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The 30 HRs is just Gekko being silly. Hosmer doesn't have 30 HRs total in his minor league career in over 1150 plate appearances.
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Originally posted by Hells Satans:
I highly doubt 90 OFs outperformed Stanton from June 8th on, which is the proper way to measure it.
Two more points:
(1) if you're measuring ROI, you need to account for the fact that the value of a FAAB dollar depreciates every week.
(2) The ROI should only be in comparison to the available FAAB player pool. It really doesn't matter if there are 30 SS with better numbers than Castro. What matters is how many available players are better than Castro, and, if none, what is the marginal increase in production worth in comparison to the decreasing value of the FAAB $.
Bob, you posted almost exactly how I was going to respond to Outlaw. Whether the bid is for 100 or 500 or whatever, it doesn't come out of your initial preseason roster construction budget. That's already been spent and those players are already unavailable. Your FAAB budget is just for what's left.
Outlaw, just a tip for a new guy.....
As Jack alluded to earlier, you will almost definately end the season with money in the bank or will be spending 100's on marginal September callups with only a month of possible impact with your theories on FAAB money management. Occassionally, if the need presents itself, you should pay for a player that can impact your team....the earlier the better because of the possibility to maximize that impact.
One more thing, if your initial hype comments were not meant for me, I take back the "tone" of my initial response. If it was meant to me, well then the tone stands.
Good luck to you in your rookie season. This is a great contest, have fun with it.
I highly doubt 90 OFs outperformed Stanton from June 8th on, which is the proper way to measure it.
Two more points:
(1) if you're measuring ROI, you need to account for the fact that the value of a FAAB dollar depreciates every week.
(2) The ROI should only be in comparison to the available FAAB player pool. It really doesn't matter if there are 30 SS with better numbers than Castro. What matters is how many available players are better than Castro, and, if none, what is the marginal increase in production worth in comparison to the decreasing value of the FAAB $.
Bob, you posted almost exactly how I was going to respond to Outlaw. Whether the bid is for 100 or 500 or whatever, it doesn't come out of your initial preseason roster construction budget. That's already been spent and those players are already unavailable. Your FAAB budget is just for what's left.
Outlaw, just a tip for a new guy.....
As Jack alluded to earlier, you will almost definately end the season with money in the bank or will be spending 100's on marginal September callups with only a month of possible impact with your theories on FAAB money management. Occassionally, if the need presents itself, you should pay for a player that can impact your team....the earlier the better because of the possibility to maximize that impact.
One more thing, if your initial hype comments were not meant for me, I take back the "tone" of my initial response. If it was meant to me, well then the tone stands.
Good luck to you in your rookie season. This is a great contest, have fun with it.
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Originally posted by Outlaw:
I always say " Don't ask the question/s unless you can afford the answers. You have correctly identified me as a new/ first time this year. My point is how is a "ROOKIE" worth hundreds, or 500 or more? As for Hosmer I picked him up 2 weeks ago in three other non NFBC leagues. I'm sure if he was available in NFBC leagues prior to him being brought up, some players would have picked him up in the past 2-3 weeks for well under a 100.00. I've seen people on this board hype players, state what they will go for, state things like blast-off, vroom, etc... I've checked whether they won those players they hyped and most didn’t. Who knows if they even bid.
So I'll say to all the newbies like me, don't believe any of the hype on these boards and what others think any player may go for. Make your own judgments and in my naive opinion, Hosmer isn’t worth hundreds, let alone 500 or more, but again that’s just my naive opinion. Will I bid on him, yes, but I won’t win him, unless others in my league are not paying attention.
I've got a little program that I run to track ROI based on dollars bid and none of those three players you gave as examples justified hundreds of dollars in bids. But again, it’s just my naïve opinion and program.
AB R H 1B 2B 3B HR RBI BB KO SB CS BA
Heyward, Jason 520 83 144 92 29 5 18 72 91 128 11 6 0.2769
Stanton, Mike 359 45 93 49 21 1 22 59 34 123 5 2 0.2591
Castro, Starlin 463 53 139 100 31 5 3 41 29 71 10 8 0.3002
As for Castro- over 30 SS performed better than him in Fantasy last year. Names like Keppinger, Pennington inf,ante, peralta, Bettencourt.... Castro would’ve helped with Avg, but what else?
As for Heyward, who was up all year too, about 35 OF's performed better than him in Fantasy last year, names like Span, Jones, Jones, Byrd, Pagan, Huff... Heyward would’ve been ok for avg, and decent 4/5 OF.
As For Stanton- over 90 OF's per performed better than him in Fantasy last year. I won’t even name those names and some of them can be had now in various leagues for probably a dollar. Stanton I suppose would’ve helped with HR's, but what else?
So were these players worth hundreds, In my naive opinion- no.
As for Hosmer I see this 400 AB's, 60 runs, 5 SB, 12 HR, 60 RBI .290 avg. and that’s only if he doesn’t go the way of most rookies or as What happened to Belt this year. So I'll leave it up the 500 dollar bidders to determine if he’s worth 500 Dollars.
I’m just learning here now as newbie, but I’m learning fast not to believe any Hype here.
Originally posted by Outlaw:
It's obvious to me who on these boards who are the hypsters
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It's obvious to you? After less than two months on these boards? It's obvious to me that you like to make absolute statements of fact with no supporting information.
Anyone with more than a few weeks on these boards knows that I typically take the opposing view when the hype machine starts flowing. My responses were not about hyping Hosmer, believe me he doesn't need it. 99% of the players who play the NFBC are more than aware of who Hosmer is, what he brings to the table, and what he doesn't.
The initial post on this thread was a question asking what he will likely go for in FAAB. I answered the question with my posts and gave supporting facts that are easily verified to back my responses.
I responded to your initial post because I thought it ummm let's say naive (the original word I was going to use was ridiculous) to say that no 21 year old rookie is worth a $100 bid. Again, I backed up my response with three examples from just last year proving how far off-base was your statement. You come back with Fuld and Bloomy? How are they comparable to Hosmer, or the examples I gave of sub 21-year old rookies from last year in Heyward, Stanton, or Castro who were all easily worth $100 bids if available?
I always enjoy and welcome a good message board debate. Just please come with the table with some goods next time. I believe I said this to you earlier who exactly are you hoping to get in FAAB? Here is your typical FAAB spread around an entire league off the top of my head.
4-5 solid sources of saves
2-5 players who will go in the first 12 rounds next year.
A couple of nice replacement level players at MI and CI.
1-3 guys who you would consider top 75 starting pitchers next year.
After that a handful of 6/7 starters and 5th OF's.
What exactly are you hoarding your money for? How many weak spots do you have on your roster? Again if not many why not spend boldly on what you need?
Every year there is a new rookie know it all on these boards. A lot of nice people (not me) try to help them out (like Glenn) and they sit and argue and doubt. Hey at least we found this year's candidate on cinco de mayo.
Now you can either repent for your sins (Dub) or you can go join a great 12x12 league.
BTW I am on record as thinking your FAAB strategy is a complete dead end.
I always say " Don't ask the question/s unless you can afford the answers. You have correctly identified me as a new/ first time this year. My point is how is a "ROOKIE" worth hundreds, or 500 or more? As for Hosmer I picked him up 2 weeks ago in three other non NFBC leagues. I'm sure if he was available in NFBC leagues prior to him being brought up, some players would have picked him up in the past 2-3 weeks for well under a 100.00. I've seen people on this board hype players, state what they will go for, state things like blast-off, vroom, etc... I've checked whether they won those players they hyped and most didn’t. Who knows if they even bid.
So I'll say to all the newbies like me, don't believe any of the hype on these boards and what others think any player may go for. Make your own judgments and in my naive opinion, Hosmer isn’t worth hundreds, let alone 500 or more, but again that’s just my naive opinion. Will I bid on him, yes, but I won’t win him, unless others in my league are not paying attention.
I've got a little program that I run to track ROI based on dollars bid and none of those three players you gave as examples justified hundreds of dollars in bids. But again, it’s just my naïve opinion and program.
AB R H 1B 2B 3B HR RBI BB KO SB CS BA
Heyward, Jason 520 83 144 92 29 5 18 72 91 128 11 6 0.2769
Stanton, Mike 359 45 93 49 21 1 22 59 34 123 5 2 0.2591
Castro, Starlin 463 53 139 100 31 5 3 41 29 71 10 8 0.3002
As for Castro- over 30 SS performed better than him in Fantasy last year. Names like Keppinger, Pennington inf,ante, peralta, Bettencourt.... Castro would’ve helped with Avg, but what else?
As for Heyward, who was up all year too, about 35 OF's performed better than him in Fantasy last year, names like Span, Jones, Jones, Byrd, Pagan, Huff... Heyward would’ve been ok for avg, and decent 4/5 OF.
As For Stanton- over 90 OF's per performed better than him in Fantasy last year. I won’t even name those names and some of them can be had now in various leagues for probably a dollar. Stanton I suppose would’ve helped with HR's, but what else?
So were these players worth hundreds, In my naive opinion- no.
As for Hosmer I see this 400 AB's, 60 runs, 5 SB, 12 HR, 60 RBI .290 avg. and that’s only if he doesn’t go the way of most rookies or as What happened to Belt this year. So I'll leave it up the 500 dollar bidders to determine if he’s worth 500 Dollars.
I’m just learning here now as newbie, but I’m learning fast not to believe any Hype here.
Originally posted by Outlaw:
It's obvious to me who on these boards who are the hypsters
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It's obvious to you? After less than two months on these boards? It's obvious to me that you like to make absolute statements of fact with no supporting information.
Anyone with more than a few weeks on these boards knows that I typically take the opposing view when the hype machine starts flowing. My responses were not about hyping Hosmer, believe me he doesn't need it. 99% of the players who play the NFBC are more than aware of who Hosmer is, what he brings to the table, and what he doesn't.
The initial post on this thread was a question asking what he will likely go for in FAAB. I answered the question with my posts and gave supporting facts that are easily verified to back my responses.
I responded to your initial post because I thought it ummm let's say naive (the original word I was going to use was ridiculous) to say that no 21 year old rookie is worth a $100 bid. Again, I backed up my response with three examples from just last year proving how far off-base was your statement. You come back with Fuld and Bloomy? How are they comparable to Hosmer, or the examples I gave of sub 21-year old rookies from last year in Heyward, Stanton, or Castro who were all easily worth $100 bids if available?
I always enjoy and welcome a good message board debate. Just please come with the table with some goods next time. I believe I said this to you earlier who exactly are you hoping to get in FAAB? Here is your typical FAAB spread around an entire league off the top of my head.
4-5 solid sources of saves
2-5 players who will go in the first 12 rounds next year.
A couple of nice replacement level players at MI and CI.
1-3 guys who you would consider top 75 starting pitchers next year.
After that a handful of 6/7 starters and 5th OF's.
What exactly are you hoarding your money for? How many weak spots do you have on your roster? Again if not many why not spend boldly on what you need?
Every year there is a new rookie know it all on these boards. A lot of nice people (not me) try to help them out (like Glenn) and they sit and argue and doubt. Hey at least we found this year's candidate on cinco de mayo.
Now you can either repent for your sins (Dub) or you can go join a great 12x12 league.
BTW I am on record as thinking your FAAB strategy is a complete dead end.
Hosmer
I believe I said this to you earlier who exactly are you hoping to get in FAAB? Here is your typical FAAB spread around an entire league off the top of my head.
4-5 solid sources of saves
2-5 players who will go in the first 12 rounds next year.
A couple of nice replacement level players at MI and CI.
1-3 guys who you would consider top 75 starting pitchers next year.
After that a handful of 6/7 starters and 5th OF's.
What exactly are you hoarding your money for? How many weak spots do you have on your roster? Again if not many why not spend boldly on what you need?
Every year there is a new rookie know it all on these boards. A lot of nice people (not me) try to help them out (like Glenn) and they sit and argue and doubt. Hey at least we found this year's candidate on cinco de mayo.
Now you can either repent for your sins (Dub) or you can go join a great 12x12 league.
BTW I am on record as thinking your FAAB strategy is a complete dead end.
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How did you figure out my stratgey -lol? Weak spots - most have them, Including me - top cause is usually injuires. Rookie know it all? I would say no, just trying to share my opnion with any other rookies that may read here... I guess if there were no rookies on the forum all the epxerts would be trying to out hype each other! It is quite comical to watch just in the two months ive been here.
4-5 solid sources of saves
2-5 players who will go in the first 12 rounds next year.
A couple of nice replacement level players at MI and CI.
1-3 guys who you would consider top 75 starting pitchers next year.
After that a handful of 6/7 starters and 5th OF's.
What exactly are you hoarding your money for? How many weak spots do you have on your roster? Again if not many why not spend boldly on what you need?
Every year there is a new rookie know it all on these boards. A lot of nice people (not me) try to help them out (like Glenn) and they sit and argue and doubt. Hey at least we found this year's candidate on cinco de mayo.
Now you can either repent for your sins (Dub) or you can go join a great 12x12 league.
BTW I am on record as thinking your FAAB strategy is a complete dead end.
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How did you figure out my stratgey -lol? Weak spots - most have them, Including me - top cause is usually injuires. Rookie know it all? I would say no, just trying to share my opnion with any other rookies that may read here... I guess if there were no rookies on the forum all the epxerts would be trying to out hype each other! It is quite comical to watch just in the two months ive been here.
Hosmer
I am having fun- thanks! comments were in general for all the hypsters, not directed personally at anyone.
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One more thing, if your initial hype comments were not meant for me, I take back the "tone" of my initial response. If it was meant to me, well then the tone stands.
Good luck to you in your rookie season. This is a great contest, have fun with it.
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Glenn Lowy
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One more thing, if your initial hype comments were not meant for me, I take back the "tone" of my initial response. If it was meant to me, well then the tone stands.
Good luck to you in your rookie season. This is a great contest, have fun with it.
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Glenn Lowy
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Hosmer
I just wanna say it is a good thing Hosmer plays in the AL so he won't have to face the likes of Joe Blanton.
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Davis and Smoak were dead in the water because of strikeout rates that were out of control, and they didn't have the kinds of other skills necessary to conteract it. That isn't the case for Stanton who had HUGE power and it isn't the case for Hosmer who is a completely different type of player.
I guess the point is that if you're crying that you blew your faab on Smoak and he was also a big time prospect, it's probably time to put away your copy of Baseball America and get out your calculator.
I guess the point is that if you're crying that you blew your faab on Smoak and he was also a big time prospect, it's probably time to put away your copy of Baseball America and get out your calculator.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Hosmer
Sometimes it's just fun to drop a 5spot on the hottie with the hitties. 8:30pm Sunday night and you're like Yeah baby !
but similar to a one night fling... feels great now but odds are you'll have to pay later.
Good luck reconciling the two... I know I can't !
but similar to a one night fling... feels great now but odds are you'll have to pay later.
Good luck reconciling the two... I know I can't !
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RT and Steve J - Should I call him up from the ML in KJ's Keeper League? I am dying over this decision.... I know you guys are both in the league, but shockingly I am somewhat competitive (its May 6th only, I know) but what would you guys do... Thanks Max
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Originally posted by Glenneration X:
quote:Originally posted by Hells Satans:
I highly doubt 90 OFs outperformed Stanton from June 8th on, which is the proper way to measure it.
Two more points:
(1) if you're measuring ROI, you need to account for the fact that the value of a FAAB dollar depreciates every week.
(2) The ROI should only be in comparison to the available FAAB player pool. It really doesn't matter if there are 30 SS with better numbers than Castro. What matters is how many available players are better than Castro, and, if none, what is the marginal increase in production worth in comparison to the decreasing value of the FAAB $.
Bob, you posted almost exactly how I was going to respond to Outlaw. Whether the bid is for 100 or 500 or whatever, it doesn't come out of your initial preseason roster construction budget. That's already been spent and those players are already unavailable. Your FAAB budget is just for what's left.
Outlaw, just a tip for a new guy.....
As Jack alluded to earlier, you will almost definately end the season with money in the bank or will be spending 100's on marginal September callups with only a month of possible impact with your theories on FAAB money management. Occassionally, if the need presents itself, you should pay for a player that can impact your team....the earlier the better because of the possibility to maximize that impact.
One more thing, if your initial hype comments were not meant for me, I take back the "tone" of my initial response. If it was meant to me, well then the tone stands.
Good luck to you in your rookie season. This is a great contest, have fun with it. [/QUOTE]Well said by both guys. I think the thing he is missing is he can probably have his cake and eat it too. You can have the deep stack later in the year and still go big on someone early. Most leagues avg balance at the allstar break is what 200 per team, maybe 300.
quote:Originally posted by Hells Satans:
I highly doubt 90 OFs outperformed Stanton from June 8th on, which is the proper way to measure it.
Two more points:
(1) if you're measuring ROI, you need to account for the fact that the value of a FAAB dollar depreciates every week.
(2) The ROI should only be in comparison to the available FAAB player pool. It really doesn't matter if there are 30 SS with better numbers than Castro. What matters is how many available players are better than Castro, and, if none, what is the marginal increase in production worth in comparison to the decreasing value of the FAAB $.
Bob, you posted almost exactly how I was going to respond to Outlaw. Whether the bid is for 100 or 500 or whatever, it doesn't come out of your initial preseason roster construction budget. That's already been spent and those players are already unavailable. Your FAAB budget is just for what's left.
Outlaw, just a tip for a new guy.....
As Jack alluded to earlier, you will almost definately end the season with money in the bank or will be spending 100's on marginal September callups with only a month of possible impact with your theories on FAAB money management. Occassionally, if the need presents itself, you should pay for a player that can impact your team....the earlier the better because of the possibility to maximize that impact.
One more thing, if your initial hype comments were not meant for me, I take back the "tone" of my initial response. If it was meant to me, well then the tone stands.
Good luck to you in your rookie season. This is a great contest, have fun with it. [/QUOTE]Well said by both guys. I think the thing he is missing is he can probably have his cake and eat it too. You can have the deep stack later in the year and still go big on someone early. Most leagues avg balance at the allstar break is what 200 per team, maybe 300.
Hosmer
Originally posted by WINSTON'S EMPIRE:
RT and Steve J - Should I call him up from the ML in KJ's Keeper League? I am dying over this decision.... I know you guys are both in the league, but shockingly I am somewhat competitive (its May 6th only, I know) but what would you guys do... Thanks Max I don't know where you are in the standings or categories since I don't look too intently early on in the season. I'm a big proponent of win NOW so I would use any player I thought would help. However, it would not hurt for you to sit tight. See if he's up for real. If he struggles then he's back down to AAA. Then you will have started his clock and now you're burning a reserve spot.
Last year I had Smoak - never called him up because I never needed him. Still haven't called him up - still don't need him. Yet.
So you're the lucky owner ? Good for you Max. Here's to many years of enjoyment with him
RT and Steve J - Should I call him up from the ML in KJ's Keeper League? I am dying over this decision.... I know you guys are both in the league, but shockingly I am somewhat competitive (its May 6th only, I know) but what would you guys do... Thanks Max I don't know where you are in the standings or categories since I don't look too intently early on in the season. I'm a big proponent of win NOW so I would use any player I thought would help. However, it would not hurt for you to sit tight. See if he's up for real. If he struggles then he's back down to AAA. Then you will have started his clock and now you're burning a reserve spot.
Last year I had Smoak - never called him up because I never needed him. Still haven't called him up - still don't need him. Yet.
So you're the lucky owner ? Good for you Max. Here's to many years of enjoyment with him
Hosmer
Originally posted by WINSTON'S EMPIRE:
RT and Steve J - Should I call him up from the ML in KJ's Keeper League? I am dying over this decision.... I know you guys are both in the league, but shockingly I am somewhat competitive (its May 6th only, I know) but what would you guys do... Thanks Max congrats...for me, in this situation...i hold tight...good luck in your decision!!!
RT and Steve J - Should I call him up from the ML in KJ's Keeper League? I am dying over this decision.... I know you guys are both in the league, but shockingly I am somewhat competitive (its May 6th only, I know) but what would you guys do... Thanks Max congrats...for me, in this situation...i hold tight...good luck in your decision!!!
" i have never lost...just ran out of time!"
Hosmer
Originally posted by RoundTrippers:
quote:Originally posted by WINSTON'S EMPIRE:
RT and Steve J - Should I call him up from the ML in KJ's Keeper League? I am dying over this decision.... I know you guys are both in the league, but shockingly I am somewhat competitive (its May 6th only, I know) but what would you guys do... Thanks Max congrats...for me, in this situation...i hold tight...good luck in your decision!!! [/QUOTE]Had same decision with Belt - fortunately I didn't call him up on the first go - we will see this time around. One of the intriguing elements of the keeper rules.
quote:Originally posted by WINSTON'S EMPIRE:
RT and Steve J - Should I call him up from the ML in KJ's Keeper League? I am dying over this decision.... I know you guys are both in the league, but shockingly I am somewhat competitive (its May 6th only, I know) but what would you guys do... Thanks Max congrats...for me, in this situation...i hold tight...good luck in your decision!!!
[/QUOTE]Had same decision with Belt - fortunately I didn't call him up on the first go - we will see this time around. One of the intriguing elements of the keeper rules. -
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Originally posted by Hells Satans:
The 30 HRs is just Gekko being silly. Hosmer doesn't have 30 HRs total in his minor league career in over 1150 plate appearances. Seems like some people a little more in the know disagree. Buster Olney's column today (note the mention of rival evaluators, I'm assuming he means rival GM's, personnel directors, or scouts)......
The Royals' plan was for Eric Hosmer to get about 250 plate appearances in the minors this year, to continue his steady development. But it was Hosmer who changed that, Kansas City general manager Dayton Moore explained Thursday evening after the Royals had summoned Hosmer from the minors. It was Hosmer who wrecked those plans, by wrecking pitching in spring training and by being absurdly good in Triple-A, where he hit .439, with a .525 on-base percentage.
The Royals could have waited another month and perhaps ensured themselves of delaying Hosmer's arbitration eligibility down the road, as Moore noted. "But right now, he helps us put the best team on the field that we can," Moore said.
Rival evaluators agree with him completely. After Hosmer's promotion was announced, I emailed some evaluators and asked them to offer up their observations of the young first baseman.
Evaluator No. 1: "Eric Hosmer is a physical specimen with a smooth, effortless swing that will produce a high average. He possesses a discerning eye to get on base, and he has prodigious power potential offensively, and cat-like quickness patrolling first base defensively."
Evaluator No. 2: "He is a stud. Long and athletic. He has a chance to hit .300 and 30 homers, and win a Gold Glove. [He could have] Jason Heyward-impact from last year."
Evaluator No. 3: "He's a special player and should have an immediate impact. It's high praise but not false praise -- he reminds me of Joey Votto. I think he can hit 30-35 homers with plate discipline and also be one of the better baserunners among first basemen. He will help, but the question I have is, with the lowest payroll in MLB and no starting pitching, why now?"
The 30 HRs is just Gekko being silly. Hosmer doesn't have 30 HRs total in his minor league career in over 1150 plate appearances. Seems like some people a little more in the know disagree. Buster Olney's column today (note the mention of rival evaluators, I'm assuming he means rival GM's, personnel directors, or scouts)......
The Royals' plan was for Eric Hosmer to get about 250 plate appearances in the minors this year, to continue his steady development. But it was Hosmer who changed that, Kansas City general manager Dayton Moore explained Thursday evening after the Royals had summoned Hosmer from the minors. It was Hosmer who wrecked those plans, by wrecking pitching in spring training and by being absurdly good in Triple-A, where he hit .439, with a .525 on-base percentage.
The Royals could have waited another month and perhaps ensured themselves of delaying Hosmer's arbitration eligibility down the road, as Moore noted. "But right now, he helps us put the best team on the field that we can," Moore said.
Rival evaluators agree with him completely. After Hosmer's promotion was announced, I emailed some evaluators and asked them to offer up their observations of the young first baseman.
Evaluator No. 1: "Eric Hosmer is a physical specimen with a smooth, effortless swing that will produce a high average. He possesses a discerning eye to get on base, and he has prodigious power potential offensively, and cat-like quickness patrolling first base defensively."
Evaluator No. 2: "He is a stud. Long and athletic. He has a chance to hit .300 and 30 homers, and win a Gold Glove. [He could have] Jason Heyward-impact from last year."
Evaluator No. 3: "He's a special player and should have an immediate impact. It's high praise but not false praise -- he reminds me of Joey Votto. I think he can hit 30-35 homers with plate discipline and also be one of the better baserunners among first basemen. He will help, but the question I have is, with the lowest payroll in MLB and no starting pitching, why now?"
Hosmer
Wow - fun thread. I for one am happy to see the discussion on the guy EVERYONE knows is out there this week. No need for anyone to hype him - some players don't need it and Hosmer is one of them. Still, I like the discussion - even if it rankles some in the competition. If we can't have these threads in season, then the boards have no purpose. As always it is up to every owner to evaluate his situation and make the appropriate call.
Good Luck with your bids!
Good Luck with your bids!
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It is funny how things can change.Two summers ago I asked a Royals scout that I know how Hosmer was coming along.He said that it looked like a wasted pick.The guy just was not what they had expected.One Lasik surgery and two seasons later he is the stud they have been waiting for.
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Originally posted by ToddZ:
I just wanna say it is a good thing Hosmer plays in the AL so he won't have to face the likes of Joe Blanton. Or Jonny Venters
I just wanna say it is a good thing Hosmer plays in the AL so he won't have to face the likes of Joe Blanton. Or Jonny Venters
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Man... I am excited to see what he goes for in the faab and to see if I can resist calling him up! RT, Steve J, and KJ thanks for all your helping words... Not. . But what would you say to a fellow competitor right!
[ May 06, 2011, 10:00 PM: Message edited by: WINSTON'S EMPIRE ]
. But what would you say to a fellow competitor right! [ May 06, 2011, 10:00 PM: Message edited by: WINSTON'S EMPIRE ]
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