Hosmer

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Sun May 08, 2011 3:10 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

i'm guessing his price will be somewhat subdued since he hasn't hit a hr yet, so i'm thinking $150 gets him. Last minute reverse chirp with lowball figure. Maybe Gekko does like him

Winston's Empire · Post by **Winston's Empire** » Sun May 08, 2011 3:11 am

Ya but he did rip a SB in his first game and some guys are looking for speed... At his current pace he could steal about 50 - 60 bases I figure

I say he goes for 275 - 350 all day long!

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sun May 08, 2011 3:13 am

I think there's likely to be a vast range. I would doubt $150 gets him, but again looking at last year's Smoak & Davis week, there were some bids in the $200's that got them. I still expect to see some very high bids with some better prices mixed in.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun May 08, 2011 4:11 am

Originally posted by Dub:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

i'm guessing his price will be somewhat subdued since he hasn't hit a hr yet, so i'm thinking $150 gets him. Last minute reverse chirp with lowball figure. Maybe Gekko does like him

[/QUOTE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzcWPKAv2Ow

Outlaw · Post by **Outlaw** » Sun May 08, 2011 4:21 am

he'll go Somewhere between $1-999...lol I watched all 8 AB's of his. 1 Hit in first 8 AB's. Good eye- will get walks (3 already), I can see why power is not high- he has a line drive swing... will struggle against lefty's.... looks like he could be reincarnation of Belt- just not ready for full time gig... Royals can probaly survive low to middling prodction from him as long as the rest of the offense keeps going. I beleive they are top offense so far in AL. At the end of the day he'll be better than Kia K, but by how much is the ? I see him sitting for sure against lefty's if he struggles. I looked at Ike Davis first 20 or AB's last year, and he struggled against lefty's bad, but he had more of a uppercut swing which produced more power than a Hosmer type of swing. Happy Bidding and buyer beware

Cocktails and Dreams · Post by **Cocktails and Dreams** » Sun May 08, 2011 4:39 am

Not a particularly good assessment by Outlaw in my view. What suggests his production will be low? And what suggests he will struggle against lefties? Obviously he could struggle but you sound confident that he will. He and Kila don't belong in the same conversation. The bat speed and talent not even remotely close, nor is their ability to stay in against lefties. While, I think the counting numbers will be too low to warrant a giant bid, he should hit for average. Power could be a year or two away yet. And since you brought up that KC could afford his low production, you are also bringing real baseball into the mix. KC immediately goes from a horrible defensive 1st base club to one of the best. That should not be overlooked. Lot to like about him and the job Dayton Moore has done building this thing as I have stated many times on here.

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Sun May 08, 2011 4:51 am

In my DP league Vernon Wells is available- who will go for more Hosmer or Wells? Who will have better stats from 5/9 and forward?

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Sun May 08, 2011 5:41 am

Originally posted by Dub:

In my DP league Vernon Wells is available- who will go for more Hosmer or Wells? Who will have better stats from 5/9 and forward? Wells and Wells

Last week L Scott was available in my league and he went for $521. I would expect Wells to go for the same if not more.

Edit:: (Just saw that it was a DP League. Won't take $521, but it will still be high)

[ May 08, 2011, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: Navel Lint ]

Outlaw · Post by **Outlaw** » Sun May 08, 2011 6:02 am

This is what i wrote the other day on Hosmer "

As for Hosmer I see this 400 AB's, 60 runs, 5 SB, 12 HR, 60 RBI .290 avg. and that’s only if he doesn’t go the way of most rookies or as What happened to Belt this year. So I'll leave it up the 500 dollar bidders to determine if he’s worth 500 Dollars"

If someone has the need then shoot for the moon... my only point in all of this Hosmer dialogue is he is rookie and rookies are hit and miss. He has one (2009) ML season below average and a good 2010 ML season. I agree with you on his defense, saw him turn a 3-6-3 DP i think in his 2nd inning of his first game- impresseive. His D is one reason and the fact they are a top offensive team so far, that if he sturggles, they could keep playing him. Bottom line is if he does'nt hit he goes back down and in my opinion from what i have seen- he will struggle against leftys all year. Roll the dice.

Again, my assesment is my opinion and I could say the same thing about yours, that it was not very good, but why bother.

Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:

Not a particularly good assessment by Outlaw in my view. What suggests his production will be low? And what suggests he will struggle against lefties? Obviously he could struggle but you sound confident that he will. He and Kila don't belong in the same conversation. The bat speed and talent not even remotely close, nor is their ability to stay in against lefties. While, I think the counting numbers will be too low to warrant a giant bid, he should hit for average. Power could be a year or two away yet. And since you brought up that KC could afford his low production, you are also bringing real baseball into the mix. KC immediately goes from a horrible defensive 1st base club to one of the best. That should not be overlooked. Lot to like about him and the job Dayton Moore has done building this thing as I have stated many times on here.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun May 08, 2011 9:08 am

hosmer 2-3 with his first double. wow!!!!

time to put his price back in the $400+++

[ May 08, 2011, 03:27 PM: Message edited by: Gekko ]

Outlaw · Post by **Outlaw** » Sun May 08, 2011 9:22 am

I succumb- everyone has convinced me - I'm at 575 and rising per at bat....

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sun May 08, 2011 9:40 am

Originally posted by Outlaw:

I succumb- everyone has convinced me - I'm at 575 and rising per at bat.... Why do you assume any of this has to do with you?

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Sun May 08, 2011 10:04 am

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by Outlaw:

I succumb- everyone has convinced me - I'm at 575 and rising per at bat.... Why do you assume any of this has to do with you? [/QUOTE]thank you-

Outlaw · Post by **Outlaw** » Sun May 08, 2011 10:16 am

it does'nt.... lol

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by Outlaw:

I succumb- everyone has convinced me - I'm at 575 and rising per at bat.... Why do you assume any of this has to do with you? [/QUOTE]thank you- [/QUOTE]

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Sun May 08, 2011 1:40 pm

Originally posted by Navel Lint:

quote:Originally posted by Dub:

In my DP league Vernon Wells is available- who will go for more Hosmer or Wells? Who will have better stats from 5/9 and forward? Wells and Wells

Last week L Scott was available in my league and he went for $521. I would expect Wells to go for the same if not more.

Edit:: (Just saw that it was a DP League. Won't take $521, but it will still be high) [/QUOTE]Wells 225

Hosmer 132

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Sun May 08, 2011 1:42 pm

Some so far....

$717 for Hosmer out of Ravitz/Colton

$645 from Eric's liver

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun May 08, 2011 1:43 pm

Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:

I think the counting numbers will be too low to warrant a giant bidinteresting that you bid $427 on him. most would consider that a giant bid, you?

whipsaw · Post by **whipsaw** » Sun May 08, 2011 1:49 pm

I bid 500+ in five leagues and won him in each... Winning margins varied considerably.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun May 08, 2011 2:19 pm

i understand people are looking for saviors. it's easy to call hosmer a savior based on his minor league numbers so far, however they are fueld by a .500 BABIP and his ISO power # isn't anything great. in fact there are 60 players in the PCL alone that have a better ISO number than hosmer.

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Sun May 08, 2011 2:32 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

i understand people are looking for saviors. it's easy to call hosmer a savior based on his minor league numbers so far, however they are fueld by a .500 BABIP and his ISO power # isn't anything great. in fact there are 60 players in the PCL alone that have a better ISO number than hosmer. All true. He's also likely the number 1 prospect that will be available in FAAB this year.

I got him in my Super for $378, which is too much, but I started Jack Hanrahan at a CI spot this weekend on an otherwise really good team. I also bid around $350 on him in an Utlimate where I'm in 2nd place despite a .226 team BA (I can't even believe that is possible). I didn't get him (went for 465).

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun May 08, 2011 2:39 pm

Originally posted by Hells Satans:

All true. He's also likely the number 1 prospect that will be available in FAAB this year.

I got him in my Super for $378, which is too much, but I started Jack Hanrahan at a CI spot this weekend on an otherwise really good team. I also bid around $350 on him in an Utlimate where I'm in 2nd place despite a .226 team BA (I can't even believe that is possible). I didn't get him (went for 465). i don't think it's too far out of the realm of possibility that hosmer will put up similar numbers to todd helton (while he is healthy) THIS year. maybe a better batting avg and a few more sb.

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Sun May 08, 2011 2:47 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Hells Satans:

All true. He's also likely the number 1 prospect that will be available in FAAB this year.

I got him in my Super for $378, which is too much, but I started Jack Hanrahan at a CI spot this weekend on an otherwise really good team. I also bid around $350 on him in an Utlimate where I'm in 2nd place despite a .226 team BA (I can't even believe that is possible). I didn't get him (went for 465). i don't think it's too far out of the realm of possibility that hosmer will put up similar numbers to todd helton (while he is healthy) THIS year. maybe a better batting avg and a few more sb. [/QUOTE]Maybe, although I think it will be more than a few steals. But (1) Helton has no chance of staying healthy and (2) in a 15 team league, Helton is not available.

When your choices are Hawpe and Barton....

[ May 08, 2011, 08:47 PM: Message edited by: Hells Satans ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun May 08, 2011 3:11 pm

how about logan morrison as a comp?

Cocktails and Dreams · Post by **Cocktails and Dreams** » Sun May 08, 2011 3:17 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

how about logan morrison as a comp? Logan is a pretty good comparison. As for that huge bid, I have big time batting average problems in the auction. He seemed to be a really good fit for that team. Additionally I am struggling mightily in general there so I felt I needed to try and do something to get back in it. Probably won't work, but it is the only 15 teamer I got him in out of plenty teams. But yes I do think it is a giant bid to answer your question.

Oaktown · Post by **Oaktown** » Wed May 11, 2011 1:26 pm

Wow, that was a BOMB!