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Who are you replying to? I have no problem with your posts on this issue.
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Originally posted by GoodnGodless:
What surprises me is that this has not been worked out between the players themselves in the age of free agency and union solidarity where at least I noticed retaliation by a pitcher for hitting a teammate was reduced throwing behind the opposing players butt instead of his head long before MLB made the umps enforce ridiculous warnings. It has been worked out.
If it's a clean play, and by that I mean on a close play the runner goes straight into the catcher's chest rather than aiming for his head or knees, there is no retaliation because that is how baseball is supposed to be played.
I understand that owners are upset when their pricey investment hobbles off the field, whether real or fantasy owners - but that's baseball.
As Dough said, "it's a beautiful game". Let's not F it up like everything else!
What surprises me is that this has not been worked out between the players themselves in the age of free agency and union solidarity where at least I noticed retaliation by a pitcher for hitting a teammate was reduced throwing behind the opposing players butt instead of his head long before MLB made the umps enforce ridiculous warnings. It has been worked out.
If it's a clean play, and by that I mean on a close play the runner goes straight into the catcher's chest rather than aiming for his head or knees, there is no retaliation because that is how baseball is supposed to be played.
I understand that owners are upset when their pricey investment hobbles off the field, whether real or fantasy owners - but that's baseball.
As Dough said, "it's a beautiful game". Let's not F it up like everything else!
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Originally posted by rockitsauce:
I am NOT trying to suggest that my opinion is right and any opposing viewpoints are false. If you were to look back (earlier in this thread) I suggested TALKING about ways to protect catchers.
I guess just talking about change upsets Bob Costas & the gang. Well I hate the DH & interleague too, but its where the $ is, and that is all that has ever mattered. Who are you replying to? I have no problem with your posts on this issue.
I am NOT trying to suggest that my opinion is right and any opposing viewpoints are false. If you were to look back (earlier in this thread) I suggested TALKING about ways to protect catchers.
I guess just talking about change upsets Bob Costas & the gang. Well I hate the DH & interleague too, but its where the $ is, and that is all that has ever mattered. Who are you replying to? I have no problem with your posts on this issue.
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If it's a clean play, and by that I mean on a close play the runner goes straight into the catcher's chest rather than aiming for his head or knees, there is no retaliation because that is how baseball is supposed to be played.
I understand that owners are upset when their pricey investment hobbles off the field, whether real or fantasy owners - but that's baseball.
As Dough said, "it's a beautiful game". Let's not F it up like everything else! [/QB][/quote]
Ok, I never knew that nor do I now claim to know the significance of the chest hit vs the knee or head hit. Well, given the choice I would take the chest hit so I think I understand. I also recognize that catchers getting seriously hurt on these type of plays is a rarity so something must be working. Then again who enforced the end of sharpening spikes? Was that just myth or the beginning of the end of our beautiful game?
I understand that owners are upset when their pricey investment hobbles off the field, whether real or fantasy owners - but that's baseball.
As Dough said, "it's a beautiful game". Let's not F it up like everything else! [/QB][/quote]
Ok, I never knew that nor do I now claim to know the significance of the chest hit vs the knee or head hit. Well, given the choice I would take the chest hit so I think I understand. I also recognize that catchers getting seriously hurt on these type of plays is a rarity so something must be working. Then again who enforced the end of sharpening spikes? Was that just myth or the beginning of the end of our beautiful game?
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By the way KJ the spiking comment was rhetorical. I get your point, just sometimes can't resist the "on the other hand" stuff.
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I know it was a rhetorical question, but I'll take a shot.
The players, themselves, enforced the end of sharpening spikes.
Ty Cobb was the most well known 'offender'.
He played the game hard and mean. He wanted fielders fearing him as he slid into a base.
There were a few copycat players, not many.
Cobb found out that teams had ways of getting even for his methods.
The beanball, the pickoff throw to first base with a slap of a tag resembling a punch from the first baseman, etc.
The sharpening of spikes was the most sensational form of press that accompanied Cobb.
In time, he stopped, but that fact wasn't nearly as sensationalized
At the same time, some players would trip baserunners who were going around bases. There was only one umpire and he couldn't see everything. When other umpires were added, that practice stopped as well.
The players, themselves, enforced the end of sharpening spikes.
Ty Cobb was the most well known 'offender'.
He played the game hard and mean. He wanted fielders fearing him as he slid into a base.
There were a few copycat players, not many.
Cobb found out that teams had ways of getting even for his methods.
The beanball, the pickoff throw to first base with a slap of a tag resembling a punch from the first baseman, etc.
The sharpening of spikes was the most sensational form of press that accompanied Cobb.
In time, he stopped, but that fact wasn't nearly as sensationalized
At the same time, some players would trip baserunners who were going around bases. There was only one umpire and he couldn't see everything. When other umpires were added, that practice stopped as well.
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Originally posted by Cobb:
quote:Originally posted by rockitsauce:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by swampass:
enough of the PC BS! its bad enough we all deal with it on a daily basis in real life.. the point is.. its a game. injuries will happen no matter what rules are in place.
the comparisons rockit are to put things in perspective, but apparently your perspective trumps the rest of us. you're right and we are wrong. you smell like roses and we smell like sh$t. yeah. we get it.
i think the saying give them an inch and they will take a mile is lost on you. the point is.. where do you stop to make things safe? put the ball on a tee? no more pitching? how about encase the entire playing surface in all sports arenas to prevent fan injury? oh and no hot dogs.. only cold ones cause the hot ones can burn your mouth!
this convo is old. can we delete this thread? because sometimes some people just wont let things go. they always have to be right and they always have to have the last word.
so stop being a WEINER... and let it go... just like posey should have. Oh, my opinion differs from yours, so I should just shut up since it's obvious to YOU how the game should be played, no need for anyone else to have an opinion. Who's "we"? You & ur buddies that dress up like an indian, construction worker, cop...real macho men I guess, eh?
The comparisons are only needed when you're argument is weak. Just b/c you do X, doesn't mean that you will then do Y. Coming up w/ a solution to prevent avoidable injuries at homeplate doesn't turn baseball into t-ball.
I guess my membership to the He-Man Woman haters club must've expired. [/QUOTE
LOL, that's pretty funny.
You had that coming to you swampass. I can't stand when somebody disagrees with somebody else on a 'message board' and then get personal for no reason.
Take a lesson from class acts on here and just give your opinion, no need to get personal... [/QUOTE]hey cobb.. can you read? what did i write that was sooo offensive? dont be a wiener? that some people wont drop things?
how about rockit's response.. referring to me and my buddies as gay aka the village people?. ok.. yup.. again your perspective is wonderful. try to find some. and since im not a ***** PC a-hole.. i wont make a big deal of his homophobic hick response.
quote:Originally posted by rockitsauce:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by swampass:
enough of the PC BS! its bad enough we all deal with it on a daily basis in real life.. the point is.. its a game. injuries will happen no matter what rules are in place.
the comparisons rockit are to put things in perspective, but apparently your perspective trumps the rest of us. you're right and we are wrong. you smell like roses and we smell like sh$t. yeah. we get it.
i think the saying give them an inch and they will take a mile is lost on you. the point is.. where do you stop to make things safe? put the ball on a tee? no more pitching? how about encase the entire playing surface in all sports arenas to prevent fan injury? oh and no hot dogs.. only cold ones cause the hot ones can burn your mouth!
this convo is old. can we delete this thread? because sometimes some people just wont let things go. they always have to be right and they always have to have the last word.
so stop being a WEINER... and let it go... just like posey should have. Oh, my opinion differs from yours, so I should just shut up since it's obvious to YOU how the game should be played, no need for anyone else to have an opinion. Who's "we"? You & ur buddies that dress up like an indian, construction worker, cop...real macho men I guess, eh?
The comparisons are only needed when you're argument is weak. Just b/c you do X, doesn't mean that you will then do Y. Coming up w/ a solution to prevent avoidable injuries at homeplate doesn't turn baseball into t-ball.
I guess my membership to the He-Man Woman haters club must've expired. [/QUOTE
LOL, that's pretty funny.
You had that coming to you swampass. I can't stand when somebody disagrees with somebody else on a 'message board' and then get personal for no reason.
Take a lesson from class acts on here and just give your opinion, no need to get personal... [/QUOTE]hey cobb.. can you read? what did i write that was sooo offensive? dont be a wiener? that some people wont drop things?
how about rockit's response.. referring to me and my buddies as gay aka the village people?. ok.. yup.. again your perspective is wonderful. try to find some. and since im not a ***** PC a-hole.. i wont make a big deal of his homophobic hick response.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
I know it was a rhetorical question, but I'll take a shot.
The players, themselves, enforced the end of sharpening spikes.
Ty Cobb was the most well known 'offender'.
He played the game hard and mean. He wanted fielders fearing him as he slid into a base.
There were a few copycat players, not many.
Cobb found out that teams had ways of getting even for his methods.
The beanball, the pickoff throw to first base with a slap of a tag resembling a punch from the first baseman, etc.
The sharpening of spikes was the most sensational form of press that accompanied Cobb.
In time, he stopped, but that fact wasn't nearly as sensationalized
At the same time, some players would trip baserunners who were going around bases. There was only one umpire and he couldn't see everything. When other umpires were added, that practice stopped as well.
I know it was a rhetorical question, but I'll take a shot.
The players, themselves, enforced the end of sharpening spikes.
Ty Cobb was the most well known 'offender'.
He played the game hard and mean. He wanted fielders fearing him as he slid into a base.
There were a few copycat players, not many.
Cobb found out that teams had ways of getting even for his methods.
The beanball, the pickoff throw to first base with a slap of a tag resembling a punch from the first baseman, etc.
The sharpening of spikes was the most sensational form of press that accompanied Cobb.
In time, he stopped, but that fact wasn't nearly as sensationalized
At the same time, some players would trip baserunners who were going around bases. There was only one umpire and he couldn't see everything. When other umpires were added, that practice stopped as well.
If the Cincinnati Reds were really the first major league baseball team, who did they play? - George Carlin
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
I know it was a rhetorical question, but I'll take a shot.
The players, themselves, enforced the end of sharpening spikes.
Ty Cobb was the most well known 'offender'.
He played the game hard and mean. He wanted fielders fearing him as he slid into a base.
There were a few copycat players, not many.
Cobb found out that teams had ways of getting even for his methods.
The beanball, the pickoff throw to first base with a slap of a tag resembling a punch from the first baseman, etc.
The sharpening of spikes was the most sensational form of press that accompanied Cobb.
In time, he stopped, but that fact wasn't nearly as sensationalized
At the same time, some players would trip baserunners who were going around bases. There was only one umpire and he couldn't see everything. When other umpires were added, that practice stopped as well. Oops forgot to reply. As always thanks for the well written historical account. I seem to recall stories of infielders grabbing he belts of runners when the lone ump's eyes were on the baseball. And now the closest we come is A Rod yelling HA! during a pop up or trying to slap the ball out of a fielder's glove.
I know it was a rhetorical question, but I'll take a shot.
The players, themselves, enforced the end of sharpening spikes.
Ty Cobb was the most well known 'offender'.
He played the game hard and mean. He wanted fielders fearing him as he slid into a base.
There were a few copycat players, not many.
Cobb found out that teams had ways of getting even for his methods.
The beanball, the pickoff throw to first base with a slap of a tag resembling a punch from the first baseman, etc.
The sharpening of spikes was the most sensational form of press that accompanied Cobb.
In time, he stopped, but that fact wasn't nearly as sensationalized
At the same time, some players would trip baserunners who were going around bases. There was only one umpire and he couldn't see everything. When other umpires were added, that practice stopped as well. Oops forgot to reply. As always thanks for the well written historical account. I seem to recall stories of infielders grabbing he belts of runners when the lone ump's eyes were on the baseball. And now the closest we come is A Rod yelling HA! during a pop up or trying to slap the ball out of a fielder's glove.
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Originally posted by swampass:
hey cobb.. can you read? what did i write that was sooo offensive? dont be a wiener? that some people wont drop things?
how about rockit's response.. referring to me and my buddies as gay aka the village people?. ok.. yup.. again your perspective is wonderful. try to find some. and since im not a ***** PC a-hole.. i wont make a big deal of his homophobic hick response. [/QB]SwampThing,
KJ started this thread b/c of another play at the plate situation. His opinion jibes w/ yours so evidently it's fine n dandy for him to continue the dialogue (on this issue). Someone else comes along w/ a differing opinion and immediately he is the one who should, what was it? oh yes, "let it go".
I believe Cobb's point was fine, you think one way about this, I think the other, no need to get bent out of shape. KJ & Dan (Doughy) are guys I like & respect, despite the fact that we disagree about this subject. Big Deal. It doesn't change how I feel about them as people, we're all on the same team here, we love this game.
Now excuse me so I can go back to flicking thru games and cursing my rotten luck!
hey cobb.. can you read? what did i write that was sooo offensive? dont be a wiener? that some people wont drop things?
how about rockit's response.. referring to me and my buddies as gay aka the village people?. ok.. yup.. again your perspective is wonderful. try to find some. and since im not a ***** PC a-hole.. i wont make a big deal of his homophobic hick response. [/QB]SwampThing,
KJ started this thread b/c of another play at the plate situation. His opinion jibes w/ yours so evidently it's fine n dandy for him to continue the dialogue (on this issue). Someone else comes along w/ a differing opinion and immediately he is the one who should, what was it? oh yes, "let it go".
I believe Cobb's point was fine, you think one way about this, I think the other, no need to get bent out of shape. KJ & Dan (Doughy) are guys I like & respect, despite the fact that we disagree about this subject. Big Deal. It doesn't change how I feel about them as people, we're all on the same team here, we love this game.
Now excuse me so I can go back to flicking thru games and cursing my rotten luck!
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Probably the best TV show on a free, non-major network ... "Men of a Certain Age" with Ray Romano, way better than his old sitcom. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet - I think it's on TNT.
Why bring it up here? Awesome play at the plate in a softball game to end last week's show.
[ June 18, 2011, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
Why bring it up here? Awesome play at the plate in a softball game to end last week's show.
[ June 18, 2011, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
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I agree about the show.
Perfect.
And I never heard that girl ask for a rule change.
Perfect.
And I never heard that girl ask for a rule change.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Probably the best TV show on a free, non-major network ... "Men of a Certain Age" with Ray Romano, way better than his old sitcom. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet - I think it's on TNT.
Why bring it up here? Awesome play at the plate in a softball game to end last week's show. Its a very good show, but to say its better than Everyone Loves Raymond, one of the great all time sitcoms is a bit overstated.
Probably the best TV show on a free, non-major network ... "Men of a Certain Age" with Ray Romano, way better than his old sitcom. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet - I think it's on TNT.
Why bring it up here? Awesome play at the plate in a softball game to end last week's show.
Its a very good show, but to say its better than Everyone Loves Raymond, one of the great all time sitcoms is a bit overstated."I don't remmeber what I don't remember.”- Jerry Garcia
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Pena bowls over Martin at home plate and Martin gets up showing Pena the ball.
Awesome.
Awesome.
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Just watched Barajas get injured on a wild pitch.Made me wonder,who goes to a game to see a wild pitch?Allowing the runners to advance on a wild pitch/passed ball is just asking for danger.Ever see how awkward the pitcher looks attempting to make the play at the plate?All said with tongue firmly planted in cheek.
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Just watched Kit run over Dottie in A league of their own.Seemed like a good play.
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Originally posted by DiamondKing:
Just watched Kit run over Dottie in A league of their own.Seemed like a good play. And wouldn't it have ruined the movie if Dottie's agent called the league office to ask for a rule change? But I don't think she would've allowed her agent to do that, she's no p*sey.
(posey, that is)
[ June 24, 2011, 01:31 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
Just watched Kit run over Dottie in A league of their own.Seemed like a good play. And wouldn't it have ruined the movie if Dottie's agent called the league office to ask for a rule change? But I don't think she would've allowed her agent to do that, she's no p*sey.
(posey, that is)
[ June 24, 2011, 01:31 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]