Time for some answers...

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

The DL question has been answered about 10 times already, it is a legal move for 2011. For 2012 and beyond it will be addressed during the offseason. As for the fairness, it was there for anyone to figure out on their own if they read the rules. I thought the rules said that could be done on Fridays as Glenn mentioned in the other thread. It doesn't say anything about moving guys before IT gets around to taking off a DL tag at any random time.

[Money]

Thanks Tom that would be great.



Mr. Bojak, it certainly was not my intention to draw your ire. I simply did not want to mis interpret or give any mis information. I wasn't totally positive (and still aren't) in reference to the rule and how it's applied.



No apology coming here, I gave up name calling quite awhile ago. You didn't understand the rule, now you do. I would think that you'd be thanking me.



Take care.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Money:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

The DL question has been answered about 10 times already, it is a legal move for 2011. For 2012 and beyond it will be addressed during the offseason. KJ, it has not been communicated to the masses, possibly only to those that follow every single post. You were involved in the debate two years ago and are passionate about it, I understand that. I simply believe that every participant needs to know what there options are. You and the guys that have been around (in my opinion) use it as an unfair competitive advantage. [/QUOTE]The competitive advantage is miniscule if even positive, you can just as easily shoot yourself in the foot. It is certainly small in relation to just about everything else in this game.



Second, this is not a secret rule - anyone could have figured it out and used it, and if they didn't how is that any different than figuring out the best resources to use, or how to evaluate talent or how to bid on free agents? Should the NFBC send out a blast email telling everyone how the best players play the game?



You learn this game by observation, research and experience - some is baseball-related and some is strategy-related. When I hear that something isn't fair because someone didn't figure out a strategy that someone else did ... it just sounds like whining. This is not some secret backdoor entry into the STATS mainframe, it is a simple observation that can be made by reading the DL rule and then moving your player with a red tag.



Nonetheless, I've already said I'm in favor of clarifying this issue in the rules to squash these types of criticisms. [/QUOTE]I sometimes wonder if you even believe what you post as you are much smarter than some of them. It is obviously a competitive advantage. ANYTIME a pitcher pitches he can shoot you in the foot, but obviously if you don't pitch pitchere you won't win. Over the long term, which is how things must be looked at, anyone looking at it with a straight face, knows it is a competitive advantage.

[Money]

Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

The DL question has been answered about 10 times already, it is a legal move for 2011. For 2012 and beyond it will be addressed during the offseason. As for the fairness, it was there for anyone to figure out on their own if they read the rules. I thought the rules said that could be done on Fridays as Glenn mentioned in the other thread. It doesn't say anything about moving guys before IT gets around to taking off a DL tag at any random time. [/QUOTE]Chad, This is where the controversy and the interpretation of the rule is in question. It appears that if you start a pitcher on the DL on Monday and he pitches on Mon-Thurs you have the opportunity to adjust your Friday lineup to include a different pitcher as long as you do it prior to DL designation being removed by IT. This can be done Mon - Thurs for the Friday changes. I'm still confused but I think that's it.



Is this how you understand it?



[ June 24, 2011, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: Money ]

[bjoak]

Originally posted by Money:

Thanks Tom that would be great.



Mr. Bojak, it certainly was not my intention to draw your ire. I simply did not want to mis interpret or give any mis information. I wasn't totally positive (and still aren't) in reference to the rule and how it's applied.



No apology coming here, I gave up name calling quite awhile ago. You didn't understand the rule, now you do. I would think that you'd be thanking me.



Take care. Nope, I actually didn't know and did guess. That means two things:



1. I didn't call you a jerk at the time. It was conditional on the fact that this wasn't some way more complicated issue. I will say in retrospect that it was spelled out in the first post of that thread. It would be easy to copy or paraphrase that quote, yes, but you weren't making it as difficult to access this information (which is so important and everyone needs to know) as I at first supposed.



2. You really didn't enlighten me. I *guessed* it. Taking advantage of the rule requires that you are in that unique situation. I don't have any SP's on the DL, let alone one who came off this week and had a start on Wednesday or Thursday. If I were in that situation it would take me three seconds to figure out this was an option. Which is why so many people were doing this clandestinely. Rocket science, it ain't.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Originally posted by Money:

quote:Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

The DL question has been answered about 10 times already, it is a legal move for 2011. For 2012 and beyond it will be addressed during the offseason. As for the fairness, it was there for anyone to figure out on their own if they read the rules. I thought the rules said that could be done on Fridays as Glenn mentioned in the other thread. It doesn't say anything about moving guys before IT gets around to taking off a DL tag at any random time. [/QUOTE]Chad, This is where the controversy and the interpretation of the rule is in question. It appears that if you start a pitcher on the DL on Monday and he pitches on Mon-Thurs you have the opportunity to adjust your Friday lineup to include a different pitcher as long as you do it prior to DL designation being removed by IT. This can be done Mon - Thurs for the Friday changes. I'm still confused but I think that's it.



Is this how you understand it? [/QUOTE]I think that is the idea of how it will work the rest of this year. It is unfortunate that now anytime a guy on the DL you have to make sure you are at your computer at the deadline to move another pitcher in. Instead of having your pitchers in anytime by the deadline you actually now have to be at a computer at 656 to do this move as you have no idea when IT will randomly remove the DL tag. Certainly a reason to not have a bunch of teams, as it will lead to having to do that much more over the course of the season, or be at the mercy of the DL tag being removed.



The other thing is that in any game I have ever played there is a set deadline time to do something. Therefore you can run as many teams as you can humanly execute by those deadlines, and you are not at a disadvantage. That is not the situation here.



If I have 30 teams and I have a pitcher coming off the DL to pitch Monday on all 30. Depending on when IT randomly decides to remove the DL tag I very likely won't have time to beat this random deadline. At the very least if this rule is in place for this year, the IT department should have a set time they remove all DL tags each day. Otherwise it is sort of like a slow draft. Do I rush home from something to try and help move the draft along when it may not matter? Do I leave happy hour with the boys to get back and try and beat the DL tag being removed or have one more and hope he is asleep at the wheel a bit? It is kind of silly. I will no longer play slow drafts for those reasons. Give me a time to have my lineup in by and it will be in.



Not a huge deal, but if it is being discussed I will throw my thoughts out there, and those in summary are thatt this rule is one of the dumbest I have ever seen in a game, and I honestly cannot believe anyone thinks it is a good rule. Doesn't change my opinion of Greg, Tom or stats but this is silly.



[ June 24, 2011, 12:47 PM: Message edited by: Cocktails and Dreams ]

[bjoak]

Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Money:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

The DL question has been answered about 10 times already, it is a legal move for 2011. For 2012 and beyond it will be addressed during the offseason. KJ, it has not been communicated to the masses, possibly only to those that follow every single post. You were involved in the debate two years ago and are passionate about it, I understand that. I simply believe that every participant needs to know what there options are. You and the guys that have been around (in my opinion) use it as an unfair competitive advantage. [/QUOTE]The competitive advantage is miniscule if even positive, you can just as easily shoot yourself in the foot. It is certainly small in relation to just about everything else in this game.



Second, this is not a secret rule - anyone could have figured it out and used it, and if they didn't how is that any different than figuring out the best resources to use, or how to evaluate talent or how to bid on free agents? Should the NFBC send out a blast email telling everyone how the best players play the game?



You learn this game by observation, research and experience - some is baseball-related and some is strategy-related. When I hear that something isn't fair because someone didn't figure out a strategy that someone else did ... it just sounds like whining. This is not some secret backdoor entry into the STATS mainframe, it is a simple observation that can be made by reading the DL rule and then moving your player with a red tag.



Nonetheless, I've already said I'm in favor of clarifying this issue in the rules to squash these types of criticisms. [/QUOTE]I sometimes wonder if you even believe what you post as you are much smarter than some of them. It is obviously a competitive advantage. ANYTIME a pitcher pitches he can shoot you in the foot, but obviously if you don't pitch pitchere you won't win. Over the long term, which is how things must be looked at, anyone looking at it with a straight face, knows it is a competitive advantage. [/QUOTE]So the more of your pitchers who go on the DL, the better? It's a silver lining to a horrible situation. Not sure you can call it a competitive advantage. It's more like how the eskimo who burned to death had the advantage of not being cold.

[Money]

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by Money:

Thanks Tom that would be great.



Mr. Bojak, it certainly was not my intention to draw your ire. I simply did not want to mis interpret or give any mis information. I wasn't totally positive (and still aren't) in reference to the rule and how it's applied.



No apology coming here, I gave up name calling quite awhile ago. You didn't understand the rule, now you do. I would think that you'd be thanking me.



Take care. Nope, I actually didn't know and did guess. That means two things:



1. I didn't call you a jerk at the time. It was conditional on the fact that this wasn't some way more complicated issue. I will say in retrospect that it was spelled out in the first post of that thread. It would be easy to copy or paraphrase that quote, yes, but you weren't making it as difficult to access this information (which is so important and everyone needs to know) as I at first supposed.



2. You really didn't enlighten me. I *guessed* it. Taking advantage of the rule requires that you are in that unique situation. I don't have any SP's on the DL, let alone one who came off this week and had a start on Wednesday or Thursday. If I were in that situation it would take me three seconds to figure out this was an option. Which is why so many people were doing this clandestinely. Rocket science, it ain't. [/QUOTE]OK, this did not just happen this week. It's a software glitch. The rules have been circumvented all year long. The way I understand the rules are Friday changes are Friday changes. I never go look to adjust my lineups until Thursday night at the earliest. Most players (even some of the best) had no idea this was occurring. It is a competitive advantage and one I'm sure the NFBC wishes didn't exist. As good as some of the players in this contest are I wouldn't doubt if a couple of them are rocket scientists .

[TParsons]

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Money:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

The DL question has been answered about 10 times already, it is a legal move for 2011. For 2012 and beyond it will be addressed during the offseason. KJ, it has not been communicated to the masses, possibly only to those that follow every single post. You were involved in the debate two years ago and are passionate about it, I understand that. I simply believe that every participant needs to know what there options are. You and the guys that have been around (in my opinion) use it as an unfair competitive advantage. [/QUOTE]The competitive advantage is miniscule if even positive, you can just as easily shoot yourself in the foot. It is certainly small in relation to just about everything else in this game.



Second, this is not a secret rule - anyone could have figured it out and used it, and if they didn't how is that any different than figuring out the best resources to use, or how to evaluate talent or how to bid on free agents? Should the NFBC send out a blast email telling everyone how the best players play the game?



You learn this game by observation, research and experience - some is baseball-related and some is strategy-related. When I hear that something isn't fair because someone didn't figure out a strategy that someone else did ... it just sounds like whining. This is not some secret backdoor entry into the STATS mainframe, it is a simple observation that can be made by reading the DL rule and then moving your player with a red tag.



Nonetheless, I've already said I'm in favor of clarifying this issue in the rules to squash these types of criticisms. [/QUOTE]I sometimes wonder if you even believe what you post as you are much smarter than some of them. It is obviously a competitive advantage. ANYTIME a pitcher pitches he can shoot you in the foot, but obviously if you don't pitch pitchere you won't win. Over the long term, which is how things must be looked at, anyone looking at it with a straight face, knows it is a competitive advantage. [/QUOTE]So the more of your pitchers who go on the DL, the better? It's a silver lining to a horrible situation. Not sure you can call it a competitive advantage. It's more like how the eskimo who burned to death had the advantage of not being cold. [/QUOTE]Not really. Not everyone who has Peavy or Beachy, for example, is given the same chance to make the change. The rules state the 2nd period deadline is the earliest of 6:55 or 5 min prior to game start, not whenever the IT dept decides to remove the DL tags. As I've stated in the other thread (that you don't want to read), some of us travel for our jobs and don't have access to the internet all of the time, among other things, so we go by the deadline that is stated in the rules. Not everyone is able to be at the computer first thing Monday morning in order to beat the IT guy to the punch before he removes the DL tag. I don't really care about the loophole. I do care that the deadline regarding the loophole is not in line with the stated deadline in the rules. It doesn't give teams with like players the chance to make the same changes prior to the deadline for the 2nd period. I'm not really up for jumping on the computer monday morning so I can get that change made before Mr. IT wipes his a** after his morning ****.



[ June 24, 2011, 01:01 PM: Message edited by: TParsons ]

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Money:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

The DL question has been answered about 10 times already, it is a legal move for 2011. For 2012 and beyond it will be addressed during the offseason. KJ, it has not been communicated to the masses, possibly only to those that follow every single post. You were involved in the debate two years ago and are passionate about it, I understand that. I simply believe that every participant needs to know what there options are. You and the guys that have been around (in my opinion) use it as an unfair competitive advantage. [/QUOTE]The competitive advantage is miniscule if even positive, you can just as easily shoot yourself in the foot. It is certainly small in relation to just about everything else in this game.



Second, this is not a secret rule - anyone could have figured it out and used it, and if they didn't how is that any different than figuring out the best resources to use, or how to evaluate talent or how to bid on free agents? Should the NFBC send out a blast email telling everyone how the best players play the game?



You learn this game by observation, research and experience - some is baseball-related and some is strategy-related. When I hear that something isn't fair because someone didn't figure out a strategy that someone else did ... it just sounds like whining. This is not some secret backdoor entry into the STATS mainframe, it is a simple observation that can be made by reading the DL rule and then moving your player with a red tag.



Nonetheless, I've already said I'm in favor of clarifying this issue in the rules to squash these types of criticisms. [/QUOTE]I sometimes wonder if you even believe what you post as you are much smarter than some of them. It is obviously a competitive advantage. ANYTIME a pitcher pitches he can shoot you in the foot, but obviously if you don't pitch pitchere you won't win. Over the long term, which is how things must be looked at, anyone looking at it with a straight face, knows it is a competitive advantage. [/QUOTE]So the more of your pitchers who go on the DL, the better? It's a silver lining to a horrible situation. Not sure you can call it a competitive advantage. It's more like how the eskimo who burned to death had the advantage of not being cold. [/QUOTE]No, acting like I think having more pitchers getting hurt is better is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. You are completely missing the point trying to compare the competitive advantage of this rule to the bad luck of having pitchers get hurt.

[bjoak]

Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:

quote:Originally posted by Money:

quote:Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

The DL question has been answered about 10 times already, it is a legal move for 2011. For 2012 and beyond it will be addressed during the offseason. As for the fairness, it was there for anyone to figure out on their own if they read the rules. I thought the rules said that could be done on Fridays as Glenn mentioned in the other thread. It doesn't say anything about moving guys before IT gets around to taking off a DL tag at any random time. [/QUOTE]Chad, This is where the controversy and the interpretation of the rule is in question. It appears that if you start a pitcher on the DL on Monday and he pitches on Mon-Thurs you have the opportunity to adjust your Friday lineup to include a different pitcher as long as you do it prior to DL designation being removed by IT. This can be done Mon - Thurs for the Friday changes. I'm still confused but I think that's it.



Is this how you understand it? [/QUOTE]I think that is the idea of how it will work the rest of this year. It is unfortunate that now anytime a guy on the DL you have to make sure you are at your computer at the deadline to move another pitcher in. Instead of having your pitchers in anytime by the deadline you actually now have to be at a computer at 656 to do this move as you have no idea when IT will randomly remove the DL tag. Certainly a reason to not have a bunch of teams, as it will lead to having to do that much more over the course of the season, or be at the mercy of the DL tag being removed.



The other thing is that in any game I have ever played there is a set deadline time to do something. Therefore you can run as many teams as you can humanly execute by those deadlines, and you are not at a disadvantage. That is not the situation here.



If I have 30 teams and I have a pitcher coming off the DL to pitch Monday on all 30. Depending on when IT randomly decides to remove the DL tag I very likely won't have time to beat this random deadline. At the very least if this rule is in place for this year, the IT department should have a set time they remove all DL tags each day. Otherwise it is sort of like a slow draft. Do I rush home from something to try and help move the draft along when it may not matter? Do I leave happy hour with the boys to get back and try and beat the DL tag being removed or have one more and hope he is asleep at the wheel a bit? It is kind of silly. I will no longer play slow drafts for those reasons. Give me a time to have my lineup in by and it will be in.



Not a huge deal, but if it is being discussed I will throw my thoughts out there, and those in summary are thatt this rule is one of the dumbest I have ever seen in a game, and I honestly cannot believe anyone thinks it is a good rule. Doesn't change my opinion of Greg, Tom or stats but this is silly. [/QUOTE]I don't see this either. If your guy is starting on Monday, he'll get two starts anyway, and you'll probably want to keep him in. Same thing with most Tuesdays. If he starts on Wednesday, the DL tag won't come off on Monday. I can't see that there are a lot of (read: any) Mondays when you'll have to come running home.



[ June 24, 2011, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: bjoak ]

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Maybe you would probably want to keep him in. Maybe I wouldn't though.

[KJ Duke]

Money, it's not a software glitch it is possible by logic.



Chad, I believe what I write. I call it a potential advantage because it can just as easily hurt your team. I know you understand that, but my point is to differentiate this to something like a risk-free arbitrage, which in the stock market would be a situation where an investor can simultaneously 100% offset the risk of one investment with another. This is no risk arbitrage as the term "software glitch" or "software loophole" might imply. If you could remove a player and his stats after he'd played a game, that would be a software glitch, a risk-free transaction, and something deserving of this level of alarm put forth by moneyman.



[ June 24, 2011, 01:05 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Money, it's not a software glitch it is possible by logic.



Chad, I believe what I write. I call it a potential advantage because it can just as easily hurt your team. I know you understand that, but my point is to differentiate this to something like a risk-free arbitrage, which in the stock market would be a situation where an investor can simultaneously 100% offset the risk of one investment with another. This is no risk arbitrage as the term "software glitch" or "software loophole" might imply. If you could remove a player and his stats after he'd played a game, that would be a software glitch, a risk-free transaction, and something deserving of this level of alarm put forth by moneyman. Understood, and agree this potential advantage is much less than advantage of putting in a one start Moyer for a two start Padilla after Padilla got lit up early on. Over time it will help you to be able to do that, but in the short term it could hurt you and that is why it is not the biggest deal in the world. Parsons point is they main reason the rule is stupid.

[Fourslot40]

I understand where everyone is coming from and why people would be so upset. I have Beachy and I lost a start this week because I didn't switch him in time for the weekend. His DL tag was removed before I could get to it. Other owners will receive an additional start due to this and others like myself who were not aware will lose out.



Additionally, it's not the Monday/ Tuesday that's an issue... it's Wed and Thurs, where you gain the extra start for the weekend. If your starter is scheduled to pitch on Wednesday, but the MLB team waits until that day to remove the tag, you start the DL'ed pitcher for the week and then remove him for the weekend prior to the DL tag being removed for an additional start that you would never receive otherwise.



[ June 24, 2011, 01:13 PM: Message edited by: Fourslot40 ]

[bjoak]

No, acting like I think having more pitchers getting hurt is better is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. You are completely missing the point trying to compare the competitive advantage of this rule to the bad luck of having pitchers get hurt.Look, I don't disagree that they should eliminate it for next season, but the point is that it is a competitive advantage (an extra start) that is only given to people who were already at a competitive disadvantage (an injured pitcher). You would not choose to have anyone go on the DL just so that you could do this later.

[TParsons]

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:No, acting like I think having more pitchers getting hurt is better is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. You are completely missing the point trying to compare the competitive advantage of this rule to the bad luck of having pitchers get hurt.Look, I don't disagree that they should eliminate it for next season, but the point is that it is a competitive advantage (an extra start) that is only given to people who were already at a competitive disadvantage (an injured pitcher). You would not choose to have anyone go on the DL just so that you could do this later. [/QUOTE]But it's not given to all of those people. Only those that beat the IT guy. Read what FourSlot wrote above. It's not yet the deadline for the 2nd scoring period and he can't remove his player that was injured, while others with the exact same pitcher on their squad were able to remove him and get an extra start out of it. Kind of like streaming pitchers in your Yahoo daily league. The guy at his computer 24/7 can beat everyone else to the punch and WIN. Isn't that great?



[ June 24, 2011, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: TParsons ]

[Fourslot40]

Pardon me if this is a stupid question, but I just don't feel like reading through a million pages. If I understand this correctly, any instance "going forward" where the DL loophole exists, those changes will be reversed?

[KJ Duke]

Originally posted by TParsons:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:No, acting like I think having more pitchers getting hurt is better is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. You are completely missing the point trying to compare the competitive advantage of this rule to the bad luck of having pitchers get hurt.Look, I don't disagree that they should eliminate it for next season, but the point is that it is a competitive advantage (an extra start) that is only given to people who were already at a competitive disadvantage (an injured pitcher). You would not choose to have anyone go on the DL just so that you could do this later. [/QUOTE]But it's not given to all of those people. Only those that beat the IT guy. Read what FourSlot wrote above. It's not yet the deadline for the 2nd scoring period and he can't remove his player that was injured, while others with the exact same pitcher on their squad were able to remove him and get an extra start out of it. Kind of like streaming pitchers in your Yahoo daily league. The guy at his computer 24/7 can beat everyone else to the punch and WIN. Isn't that great? [/QUOTE]How is having 48 hours to make the change requiring you to sit at your computer 24/7 Ty? If you plan to use the strategy you check-in sometime after the deadline on Monday and do the swap.



[ June 24, 2011, 01:19 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

[KJ Duke]

Originally posted by Fourslot40:

Pardon me if this is a stupid question, but I just don't feel like reading through a million pages. If I understand this correctly, any instance "going forward" where the DL loophole exists, those changes will be reversed? No, Greg has stated this a legal strategy, anyone can use it, and a change will be addressed next season.

[TParsons]

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by TParsons:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:No, acting like I think having more pitchers getting hurt is better is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. You are completely missing the point trying to compare the competitive advantage of this rule to the bad luck of having pitchers get hurt.Look, I don't disagree that they should eliminate it for next season, but the point is that it is a competitive advantage (an extra start) that is only given to people who were already at a competitive disadvantage (an injured pitcher). You would not choose to have anyone go on the DL just so that you could do this later. [/QUOTE]But it's not given to all of those people. Only those that beat the IT guy. Read what FourSlot wrote above. It's not yet the deadline for the 2nd scoring period and he can't remove his player that was injured, while others with the exact same pitcher on their squad were able to remove him and get an extra start out of it. Kind of like streaming pitchers in your Yahoo daily league. The guy at his computer 24/7 can beat everyone else to the punch and WIN. Isn't that great? [/QUOTE]How is having 48 hours to make the change requiring you to sit at your computer 24/7 Ty? If you plan to use the strategy you check-in sometime after the deadline on Monday and do the swap. [/QUOTE]Like I said, some of us travel with our jobs and CAN'T check in. We've also had absolutely terrible storms here in recent months (ie-Joplin). I didn't have internet for around two weeks. I had to go somewhere to use the internet. I made my changes on Sunday and Thursday nights those weeks and lived with it. The rules state you have until the earliest of 5 minutes prior to the game or 6:55 to make the changes. If that's what the rules say, that's what most of us go by. I don't see anywhere that it says the deadline is whenever the IT guy decides to remove the DL tag. Do you? Since it doesn't say that, I would only assume that I have the same opportunity to make ANY change that anyone else has for that scoring period right up until the deadline stated in the rules. That's not the case here, so this isn't going by the rules.



To be honest with you, this hasn't had much, if any, effect on my personal teams. Like you said that you don't believe changing a rule mid-season is the right thing to do. I don't believe twisting the rules to ones advantage is the right thing to do either. The deadline is clearly stated. Everyone should have the same opportunity to make ANY changes that are being made by other teams right up to the deadline for that scoring period. If teams aren't allowed to do that, then the rule in place is being circumvented. It's as simple as that...and yes, that is a loophole!



I have no problem with it if you don't want to close the loophole until after the season. That's fine with me. I do have a problem with not allowing everyone to take advantage of the same loophole right up until the roster deadline for that period. If Lindy was allowed to bench Beachy for the 2nd scoring period early this week (as he stated he did), then Fourslot should be able to bench Beachy today for the 2nd scoring period. As long as the rules are consistent for everyone, I'm fine with it. As it stands, the rules are not consistent with the roster deadline in the stated rules. If you show me in the rules how you can possibly interpret the deadline as "whenever the DL tags are removed by IT," I will drop it.



[ June 24, 2011, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: TParsons ]

[KJ Duke]

Ty, if you have internet access only twice a week that's unfortunate, and you're probably at a much bigger information disadvantage than anything else --- but nowhere near 24/7 access is required, that's inaccurate. If this ever comes up with one of your teams call me and I'll be happy to make the switch for you - and I bet Greg would do the same.

[TParsons]

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Ty, if you have internet access only twice a week that's unfortunate, and you're probably at a much bigger information disadvantage than anything else --- but nowhere near 24/7 access is required, that's inaccurate. If this ever comes up with one of your teams call me and I'll be happy to make the switch for you - and I bet Greg would do the same. Thanks, and that time has passed. It's all good here now. There are a lot of people just an hour away that are much worse off. It's very sad. What you see on TV (and it's bad enough on TV)doesn't even come close to what it is like there in real life.



Back to the topic...You're right, I was at a HUGE information disadvantage, but I don't have a problem with that. I knew what I was in for and I knew I had a deadline to meet. I thought I had the same opportunity to make the same changes as everyone else on Sunday and Thursday. That's the point I'm trying to make. It's not the loophole that bothers me. It's the actual deadline and the opportunity to take advantage of such a loophole. Not everyone with like players are being allowed to make the same changes up until the stated deadline. That's not right. If Fourslots were able to go in up until 6:55 tonight and replace Beachy in his 2nd period lineup, like Lindy was able to do earlier this week, I would have no problem with the loophole not being closed until next season.



[ June 24, 2011, 02:17 PM: Message edited by: TParsons ]

[GoodnGodless]

Is this getting a little too PC for folks? I mean coddling players colliding on the field is way to PC for some but coddling fantasy players who may be at a competitive disadvantage for lack of initiative or ability to exploit loopholes gets no PC complaints? OK I'm stirring the crap here but still.

[Money]

Originally posted by GoodnGodless:

Is this getting a little too PC for folks? I mean coddling players colliding on the field is way to PC for some but coddling fantasy players who may be at a competitive disadvantage for lack of initiative or ability to exploit loopholes gets no PC complaints? OK I'm stirring the crap here but still. Why would you possibly bring your sexual orientation into this? It's totally unnecessary and irrelevant.