I have to agree with TParsons on this one and not because I'm on the short end of the stick. Finding an error in the software isn't a strategy until it's known.
If I punch in a random code on ATM and it spits out $100, does that make it right? Should I keep doing it although it's unfair to bank and it's customers.
It's an error on the software and lineup process... not a strategy. It's only a strategy if everyone plays by the same rules. We're not playing by the same rules if some know about an oversight in the system whereas others do not.
Why shouldn't I be able to replace Beachy as others did earlier this week? The only answer here is that I did not pick up on the error by the STATS/ NFBC in time. Not because of strategy.
For those who read the boards going forward, the "strategy" will be fair. For others who avoid the boards, it will not be unless a mass communication by email is utilized.
Again, it doesn't make it right. This is a high stakes league and people trust the system. This would not have been found if it was not brought to the attention of management.
Hopefully, these sort of errors will be utilized for improving the system going forward.
[ June 25, 2011, 10:01 AM: Message edited by: Fourslot40 ]
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Simple solution: Make it so that you can set your lineup just once per week (before Monday's games) for hitters and pitchers. Over the long run this would make no difference as the breaks would even out regarding teams having guys on the DL and not playing for the entire week, versus only losing a partial week of numbers.
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Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:
Simple solution: Make it so that you can set your lineup just once per week (before Monday's games) for hitters and pitchers. Over the long run this would make no difference as the breaks would even out regarding teams having guys on the DL and not playing for the entire week, versus only losing a partial week of numbers. I don't mind the Friday hitter changes but I have always thought the pitchers moves were uneccessary.
Hopefully the pitcher moves are eliminated next year to even the playing field and to eliminate loopholes.
Simple solution: Make it so that you can set your lineup just once per week (before Monday's games) for hitters and pitchers. Over the long run this would make no difference as the breaks would even out regarding teams having guys on the DL and not playing for the entire week, versus only losing a partial week of numbers. I don't mind the Friday hitter changes but I have always thought the pitchers moves were uneccessary.
Hopefully the pitcher moves are eliminated next year to even the playing field and to eliminate loopholes.
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Originally posted by Cornhusker:
quote:Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:
Simple solution: Make it so that you can set your lineup just once per week (before Monday's games) for hitters and pitchers. Over the long run this would make no difference as the breaks would even out regarding teams having guys on the DL and not playing for the entire week, versus only losing a partial week of numbers. I don't mind the Friday hitter changes but I have always thought the pitchers moves were uneccessary.
Hopefully the pitcher moves are eliminated next year to even the playing field and to eliminate loopholes. [/QUOTE]Agree, it serves very little purpose other than create problems. A guy gets hurt, then a guy gets hurt. If you don't like guys getting hurt and want people to be able to move them in, then have twice a week pitcher changes too. This DL stuff is silly though.
quote:Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:
Simple solution: Make it so that you can set your lineup just once per week (before Monday's games) for hitters and pitchers. Over the long run this would make no difference as the breaks would even out regarding teams having guys on the DL and not playing for the entire week, versus only losing a partial week of numbers. I don't mind the Friday hitter changes but I have always thought the pitchers moves were uneccessary.
Hopefully the pitcher moves are eliminated next year to even the playing field and to eliminate loopholes. [/QUOTE]Agree, it serves very little purpose other than create problems. A guy gets hurt, then a guy gets hurt. If you don't like guys getting hurt and want people to be able to move them in, then have twice a week pitcher changes too. This DL stuff is silly though.
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Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:
quote:Originally posted by Money:
quote:Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
The DL question has been answered about 10 times already, it is a legal move for 2011. For 2012 and beyond it will be addressed during the offseason. As for the fairness, it was there for anyone to figure out on their own if they read the rules. I thought the rules said that could be done on Fridays as Glenn mentioned in the other thread. It doesn't say anything about moving guys before IT gets around to taking off a DL tag at any random time. [/QUOTE]Chad, This is where the controversy and the interpretation of the rule is in question. It appears that if you start a pitcher on the DL on Monday and he pitches on Mon-Thurs you have the opportunity to adjust your Friday lineup to include a different pitcher as long as you do it prior to DL designation being removed by IT. This can be done Mon - Thurs for the Friday changes. I'm still confused but I think that's it.
Is this how you understand it? [/QUOTE]I think that is the idea of how it will work the rest of this year. It is unfortunate that now anytime a guy on the DL you have to make sure you are at your computer at the deadline to move another pitcher in. Instead of having your pitchers in anytime by the deadline you actually now have to be at a computer at 656 to do this move as you have no idea when IT will randomly remove the DL tag. Certainly a reason to not have a bunch of teams, as it will lead to having to do that much more over the course of the season, or be at the mercy of the DL tag being removed.
The other thing is that in any game I have ever played there is a set deadline time to do something. Therefore you can run as many teams as you can humanly execute by those deadlines, and you are not at a disadvantage. That is not the situation here.
If I have 30 teams and I have a pitcher coming off the DL to pitch Monday on all 30. Depending on when IT randomly decides to remove the DL tag I very likely won't have time to beat this random deadline. At the very least if this rule is in place for this year, the IT department should have a set time they remove all DL tags each day. Otherwise it is sort of like a slow draft. Do I rush home from something to try and help move the draft along when it may not matter? Do I leave happy hour with the boys to get back and try and beat the DL tag being removed or have one more and hope he is asleep at the wheel a bit? It is kind of silly. I will no longer play slow drafts for those reasons. Give me a time to have my lineup in by and it will be in.
Not a huge deal, but if it is being discussed I will throw my thoughts out there, and those in summary are thatt this rule is one of the dumbest I have ever seen in a game, and I honestly cannot believe anyone thinks it is a good rule. Doesn't change my opinion of Greg, Tom or stats but this is silly. [/QUOTE]This thread is exactly why this RULE should NEVER have been adopted!! Greg, Tom.....make sure that if this rule is put up for an off season vote that there is a voting option of "Do away with this friggin' rule!"
quote:Originally posted by Money:
quote:Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
The DL question has been answered about 10 times already, it is a legal move for 2011. For 2012 and beyond it will be addressed during the offseason. As for the fairness, it was there for anyone to figure out on their own if they read the rules. I thought the rules said that could be done on Fridays as Glenn mentioned in the other thread. It doesn't say anything about moving guys before IT gets around to taking off a DL tag at any random time. [/QUOTE]Chad, This is where the controversy and the interpretation of the rule is in question. It appears that if you start a pitcher on the DL on Monday and he pitches on Mon-Thurs you have the opportunity to adjust your Friday lineup to include a different pitcher as long as you do it prior to DL designation being removed by IT. This can be done Mon - Thurs for the Friday changes. I'm still confused but I think that's it.
Is this how you understand it? [/QUOTE]I think that is the idea of how it will work the rest of this year. It is unfortunate that now anytime a guy on the DL you have to make sure you are at your computer at the deadline to move another pitcher in. Instead of having your pitchers in anytime by the deadline you actually now have to be at a computer at 656 to do this move as you have no idea when IT will randomly remove the DL tag. Certainly a reason to not have a bunch of teams, as it will lead to having to do that much more over the course of the season, or be at the mercy of the DL tag being removed.
The other thing is that in any game I have ever played there is a set deadline time to do something. Therefore you can run as many teams as you can humanly execute by those deadlines, and you are not at a disadvantage. That is not the situation here.
If I have 30 teams and I have a pitcher coming off the DL to pitch Monday on all 30. Depending on when IT randomly decides to remove the DL tag I very likely won't have time to beat this random deadline. At the very least if this rule is in place for this year, the IT department should have a set time they remove all DL tags each day. Otherwise it is sort of like a slow draft. Do I rush home from something to try and help move the draft along when it may not matter? Do I leave happy hour with the boys to get back and try and beat the DL tag being removed or have one more and hope he is asleep at the wheel a bit? It is kind of silly. I will no longer play slow drafts for those reasons. Give me a time to have my lineup in by and it will be in.
Not a huge deal, but if it is being discussed I will throw my thoughts out there, and those in summary are thatt this rule is one of the dumbest I have ever seen in a game, and I honestly cannot believe anyone thinks it is a good rule. Doesn't change my opinion of Greg, Tom or stats but this is silly. [/QUOTE]This thread is exactly why this RULE should NEVER have been adopted!! Greg, Tom.....make sure that if this rule is put up for an off season vote that there is a voting option of "Do away with this friggin' rule!"
Time for some answers...
For whatever reason I've decided to do a recap of what's transpiring with my comments and observations which are all mine.
Here's the rule from my main event team pages posted under lineup submissions:
Team owners also are allowed to remove a pitcher (or pitchers) who is officially on the DL from their starting lineup and replace him with a pitcher from their reserve roster on Fridays. (ON FRIDAY'S).
This is vague but implies the move must be done on Friday's if involves a DL'd pitcher.
Those that new of the glitch / loophole kept it very quiet and many prominent players didn't even know. Lindy was forthcoming and truthful from the get go admitting he's used it for quite some time. He won in 2009 and leads today by a wide margin. Don't go crazy on me, I'm not saying it's why he's winning, simply pointing out it's one of the competitive advantages being utilized.
In 2009 The subject was brought up 3 weeks into the season, Greg was adamant and said this would not be allowed, it would be monitored and if need be would be changed manually. "CASE CLOSED" His words. KJ Duke was a supporter of it in 2009 and got shot down. To his credit he has stayed consistent with his belief that it's a strategy. I admire the consistency although disagree.
2010 comes and goes and I have no idea if people used it or not. 2011 arrives and it gets noticed. Those in the know defend it, those not in the know are confused and irritated (me included).
Making matters worse and probably not getting the attention it deserves are some statistical mistakes. One time occurrence? I think so, I hope so, I trust Greg and the NFBC.
Up until this point in time the NFBC has not released a statement concerning this. Typically Greg jumps in and is decisive and fair in the best interests of the game. We've heard nothing. I hope he's on vacation enjoying some family time, he deserves it. Hopefully he doesn't have any personal crisis keeping him from addressing this. Pure speculation on my part is it could have legal ramifications.
As the season wears on through the summer the occurrences of DL'd pitchers becoming available obviously increases because of all the players coming an going off of that list. A statement is surely forthcoming, the playing field needs to be leveled out.
For participants not to have the same opportunity to replace like players at the deadline on Friday is ridiculous. It's an advantage no matter what size you feel it is. As the year goes on it gets bigger and bigger because of the number of players involved. If you're fortunate enough to compete at the end an extra 5 - 10 starts would be astronomical.
I really don't care how this rule is handled, I simply want it fair for all participants as I'm sure Greg, Tom and the NFBC do as well.
Here's the rule from my main event team pages posted under lineup submissions:
Team owners also are allowed to remove a pitcher (or pitchers) who is officially on the DL from their starting lineup and replace him with a pitcher from their reserve roster on Fridays. (ON FRIDAY'S).
This is vague but implies the move must be done on Friday's if involves a DL'd pitcher.
Those that new of the glitch / loophole kept it very quiet and many prominent players didn't even know. Lindy was forthcoming and truthful from the get go admitting he's used it for quite some time. He won in 2009 and leads today by a wide margin. Don't go crazy on me, I'm not saying it's why he's winning, simply pointing out it's one of the competitive advantages being utilized.
In 2009 The subject was brought up 3 weeks into the season, Greg was adamant and said this would not be allowed, it would be monitored and if need be would be changed manually. "CASE CLOSED" His words. KJ Duke was a supporter of it in 2009 and got shot down. To his credit he has stayed consistent with his belief that it's a strategy. I admire the consistency although disagree.
2010 comes and goes and I have no idea if people used it or not. 2011 arrives and it gets noticed. Those in the know defend it, those not in the know are confused and irritated (me included).
Making matters worse and probably not getting the attention it deserves are some statistical mistakes. One time occurrence? I think so, I hope so, I trust Greg and the NFBC.
Up until this point in time the NFBC has not released a statement concerning this. Typically Greg jumps in and is decisive and fair in the best interests of the game. We've heard nothing. I hope he's on vacation enjoying some family time, he deserves it. Hopefully he doesn't have any personal crisis keeping him from addressing this. Pure speculation on my part is it could have legal ramifications.
As the season wears on through the summer the occurrences of DL'd pitchers becoming available obviously increases because of all the players coming an going off of that list. A statement is surely forthcoming, the playing field needs to be leveled out.
For participants not to have the same opportunity to replace like players at the deadline on Friday is ridiculous. It's an advantage no matter what size you feel it is. As the year goes on it gets bigger and bigger because of the number of players involved. If you're fortunate enough to compete at the end an extra 5 - 10 starts would be astronomical.
I really don't care how this rule is handled, I simply want it fair for all participants as I'm sure Greg, Tom and the NFBC do as well.
Joe
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Originally posted by Money:
For whatever reason I've decided to do a recap of what's transpiring with my comments and observations which are all mine.
Here's the rule from my main event team pages posted under lineup submissions:
Team owners also are allowed to remove a pitcher (or pitchers) who is officially on the DL from their starting lineup and replace him with a pitcher from their reserve roster on Fridays. (ON FRIDAY'S).
This is vague but implies the move must be done on Friday's if involves a DL'd pitcher.
Those that new of the glitch / loophole kept it very quiet and many prominent players didn't even know. Lindy was forthcoming and truthful from the get go admitting he's used it for quite some time. He won in 2009 and leads today by a wide margin. Don't go crazy on me, I'm not saying it's why he's winning, simply pointing out it's one of the competitive advantages being utilized.
In 2009 The subject was brought up 3 weeks into the season, Greg was adamant and said this would not be allowed, it would be monitored and if need be would be changed manually. "CASE CLOSED" His words. KJ Duke was a supporter of it in 2009 and got shot down. To his credit he has stayed consistent with his belief that it's a strategy. I admire the consistency although disagree.
2010 comes and goes and I have no idea if people used it or not. 2011 arrives and it gets noticed. Those in the know defend it, those not in the know are confused and irritated (me included).
Making matters worse and probably not getting the attention it deserves are some statistical mistakes. One time occurrence? I think so, I hope so, I trust Greg and the NFBC.
Up until this point in time the NFBC has not released a statement concerning this. Typically Greg jumps in and is decisive and fair in the best interests of the game. We've heard nothing. I hope he's on vacation enjoying some family time, he deserves it. Hopefully he doesn't have any personal crisis keeping him from addressing this. Pure speculation on my part is it could have legal ramifications.
As the season wears on through the summer the occurrences of DL'd pitchers becoming available obviously increases because of all the players coming an going off of that list. A statement is surely forthcoming, the playing field needs to be leveled out.
For participants not to have the same opportunity to replace like players at the deadline on Friday is ridiculous. It's an advantage no matter what size you feel it is. As the year goes on it gets bigger and bigger because of the number of players involved. If you're fortunate enough to compete at the end an extra 5 - 10 starts would be astronomical.
I really don't care how this rule is handled, I simply want it fair for all participants as I'm sure Greg, Tom and the NFBC do as well. Aloha Money,
If you read the several other threads (the 9-pager comes to mind). Greg made a statement and also stated the issue would be publicized in the upcoming weekly e-flyer.
Good luck this season
DS
For whatever reason I've decided to do a recap of what's transpiring with my comments and observations which are all mine.
Here's the rule from my main event team pages posted under lineup submissions:
Team owners also are allowed to remove a pitcher (or pitchers) who is officially on the DL from their starting lineup and replace him with a pitcher from their reserve roster on Fridays. (ON FRIDAY'S).
This is vague but implies the move must be done on Friday's if involves a DL'd pitcher.
Those that new of the glitch / loophole kept it very quiet and many prominent players didn't even know. Lindy was forthcoming and truthful from the get go admitting he's used it for quite some time. He won in 2009 and leads today by a wide margin. Don't go crazy on me, I'm not saying it's why he's winning, simply pointing out it's one of the competitive advantages being utilized.
In 2009 The subject was brought up 3 weeks into the season, Greg was adamant and said this would not be allowed, it would be monitored and if need be would be changed manually. "CASE CLOSED" His words. KJ Duke was a supporter of it in 2009 and got shot down. To his credit he has stayed consistent with his belief that it's a strategy. I admire the consistency although disagree.
2010 comes and goes and I have no idea if people used it or not. 2011 arrives and it gets noticed. Those in the know defend it, those not in the know are confused and irritated (me included).
Making matters worse and probably not getting the attention it deserves are some statistical mistakes. One time occurrence? I think so, I hope so, I trust Greg and the NFBC.
Up until this point in time the NFBC has not released a statement concerning this. Typically Greg jumps in and is decisive and fair in the best interests of the game. We've heard nothing. I hope he's on vacation enjoying some family time, he deserves it. Hopefully he doesn't have any personal crisis keeping him from addressing this. Pure speculation on my part is it could have legal ramifications.
As the season wears on through the summer the occurrences of DL'd pitchers becoming available obviously increases because of all the players coming an going off of that list. A statement is surely forthcoming, the playing field needs to be leveled out.
For participants not to have the same opportunity to replace like players at the deadline on Friday is ridiculous. It's an advantage no matter what size you feel it is. As the year goes on it gets bigger and bigger because of the number of players involved. If you're fortunate enough to compete at the end an extra 5 - 10 starts would be astronomical.
I really don't care how this rule is handled, I simply want it fair for all participants as I'm sure Greg, Tom and the NFBC do as well. Aloha Money,
If you read the several other threads (the 9-pager comes to mind). Greg made a statement and also stated the issue would be publicized in the upcoming weekly e-flyer.
Good luck this season
DS
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
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