Tommy Hanson coming off the dl on tuesday

[Rog]

Tommy Hanson (shoulder) has been cleared to start Tuesday after going through his bullpen session Friday without any issues.He is scheduled for 1 start what are the owners that have him gonna do?

[Dub]

Originally posted by Rog:

Tommy Hanson (shoulder) has been cleared to start Tuesday after going through his bullpen session Friday without any issues.He is scheduled for 1 start what are the owners that have him gonna do? They are going to start him for Tues and then go into their Friday line up after Monday's line up close and switch him out for a SP that will pitch over the weekend (this is only if you believe Hanson will get only one start this week as he could go again on Sunday)



Another DL pitching thread oh my.

[Rog]

he is only 1 start so do i use the loop hole to my advantage and start hanson on monday and sit my closer axford(3 game series against the yankess)then take out hanson and put axford back in for a weekend series against the twins?I am not going to do that but I think that could really benefit my team(or bite me in the arse)

[Dub]

Originally posted by Rog:

he is only 1 start so do i use the loop hole to my advantage and start hanson on monday and sit my closer axford(3 game series against the yankess)then take out hanson and put axford back in for a weekend series against the twins?I am not going to do that but I think that could really benefit my team(or bite me in the arse) Yes you could do that. You have also made KJ's point that this could work out negatively, if Ax gets two saves on your bench or gets lit up over the weekend.



Also, I think you (anyone) might have the ability to make all of these moves NOW, before line up's lock or after they reopen.



PPL who make future line up moves were more apt to figure this out.

[Sack]

It is a nice situation to be in. You look over your options and make the best educated guess to help YOUR team move forward. Lots of questions.



Will Hanson really pitch early in the week?



Will he be as effective coming off an arm issue?



Will he be on a pitch count and hamper your chances of a Win by not going 5 innings?



Any shot he doubles?



Classic chance to TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY to make a decision to better help your team. It shows me that if you invested $350 or $10,000 you have been SAVVY ( love the word,CATCH, and I 100% agree - did I spell it correct? ) enough to learn how to best manage your team.



This is a tricky one, Hanson is set to pitch Tuesday. Normally a pitcher is activated the day he is scheduled to pitch. So if you decide to pull the trigger, the best time is 6:56pm on Monday evening. Of course, some people will argue that they cant be at a computer at that time or maybe a storm will roll in and knock out access. Hmmm, guess in those instances you'll have to come up with Plan B. The team is your investment, manage it that way. I like the Tom Hanks reference by KJ Duke - "No crying in Baseball". ( KJ and I rarely agree on anything it seems ) Find a way.



Then you can read how unfair this move is to your league and the overall contest by some of the bleeding hearts. Look back to the week you lost the HANSON start despite the fact it was a well known fact Ole Tommy was going to the D/L and see how many of the bleeding hearts were upset you got a ZERO from Hanson. Same thing happened this week for the Oswalt owners because of a time stamp. You'll find nobody feeling bad for you.



I was against this Friday D/L rule from the start and verbalized this on these boards. Way to many ways for it to NOT work the way that it was intended. However, it was allowed to stand and remain as part of this game. As such, I've found ways to use this in a productive manner to help my teams.



Maybe this new outcry ( there have been several ) will lead to the removal of the Friday D/L Rule. Until then, it is simply another way to give the owner an opportunity to manage his team. Whether those steps work or fail still take place between the white lines and we have NO control over those outcomes.



[ June 26, 2011, 10:00 AM: Message edited by: Sack ]

[Dub]

Originally posted by Sack:

It is a nice situation to be in. You look over your options and make the best educated guess to help YOUR team move forward. Lots of questions.



Will Hanson really pitch early in the week?



Will he be as effective coming off an arm issue?



Will he be on a pitch count and hamper your chances of a Win by not going 5 innings?



Any shot he doubles?



Classic chance to TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY to make a decision to better help your team. It shows me that if you invested $350 or $10,000 you have been SAVVY ( love the word CATCH, and I 100% agree - did I spell it correct? ) enough to learn how to best manage your team.



This is a tricky one, Hanson is set to pitch Tuesday. Normally a pitcher is activated the day he is scheduled to pitch. So if you decide to pull the trigger, the best time is 6:56pm on Monday evening.



Then you can read how unfair this move is to your league and the overall contest by some of the bleeding hearts. Look back to the week you lost the HANSON start despite the fact it was a well known fact Ole Tommy was going to the D/L and see how many of the bleeding hearts were upset you got a ZERO from Hanson. Same thing happened this week for the Oswalt owners because of a time stamp. You'll find nobody feeling bad for you.



I was against this Friday D/L rule from the start and verbalized this on these boards. Way to many ways for it to NOT work the way that it was intended. However, it was allowed to stand and remain as part of this game. As such, I've found ways to use this in a productive manner to help my teams.



Maybe this new outcry ( there have been several ) will lead to the removal of the Friday D/L Rule. Until then, it is simply another way to give the owner an opportunity to manage his team. Whether those steps work or fail still take place between the white lines and we have NO control over those outcomes.


[ June 26, 2011, 09:37 PM: Message edited by: Dub ]

[TParsons]

Originally posted by Sack:

Of course, some people will argue that they cant be at a computer at that time or maybe a storm will roll in and knock out access. Hmmm, guess in those instances you'll have to come up with Plan B.

WOW! You're really going to question this? Do you want me to send you pictures so you can see how bad the same storm cell was that killed 156 people just an hour away? Next time I volunteer, I'll see if I can take a video cam and take video for you so you can see how bad it STILL is. Really? This is the most unbelievable thing I've seen. People are circumventing STATS lack of controls and you're calling me out about this. You're a real class act. When I see your name I wonder "sack of what?". Now i know the answer.



[ June 26, 2011, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: TParsons ]

[Sack]

Parsons, no need to send pictures. All of us have busy lives, not just you. Oops, if I didn't read into your post a natural disaster. Taking that rare event out of the picture, it seemed to me you were one of the many looking for a box of tissues in going on record that you were wronged for a simple lack of knowledge.



Now, if you want to talk about unfair we can go back to player(s) ( not just one well known guy ) making changes AFTER a player had a poor outcome between the white lines. That was Fanball and in my opinion a legit gripe. None of this Friday D/L stuff qualifies.



I'm glad this topic has resurfaced. Maybe it will finally lead to the Friday D/L Rule being taken out of play.



I like the new name you managed to come up with, very original. Go ahead and dislike me if you wish. I'm not playing these games to be your friend.

[Money]

Originally posted by Sack:

Parsons, no need to send pictures. All of us have busy lives, not just you. Oops, if I didn't read into your post a natural disaster. Taking that rare event out of the picture, it seemed to me you were one of the many looking for a box of tissues in going on record that you were wronged for a simple lack of knowledge.



Now, if you want to talk about unfair we can go back to player(s) ( not just one well known guy ) making changes AFTER a player had a poor outcome between the white lines. That was Fanball and in my opinion a legit gripe. None of this Friday D/L stuff qualifies.



I'm glad this topic has resurfaced. Maybe it will finally lead to the Friday D/L Rule being taken out of play.



I like the new name you managed to come up with, very original. Go ahead and dislike me if you wish. I'm not playing these games to be your friend. Sack, Why resort to name calling and belittling people simply because their opinion differs from yours? I guess your a real "Man's Man". Nice example for your son.



Some beleive, including me that "THE SOFTWARE DOES NOT SUPPORT THe WAY THE RULES ARE WRITTEN.



This doesn't make them a cry baby or whiner. We all want to play by the rules. We simply need to know what they are.



Have a nice Sunday. It's afternoon time by now so I guess you're on your third trip to the donut store. I'm on my second.

[KJ Duke]

For the record money, I don't think I've called anyone a name. I said something like "all of this sounds like whining to me" ... because it does. Sorry if you're offended but it wasn't even directed at anyone. C'mon, this is a sports forum not a quilting club, don't be so sensitive. Oops, I did again, didn't I?

[Hells Satans]

The level of douchebaggery in some of these posts is effing astounding.



[ June 26, 2011, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: Hells Satans ]

[Gekko]

[Glenneration X]

Originally posted by Hells Satans:

The level of douchebaggery in some of these posts is effing astounding. Yeah, the boards have turned a bit towards the ugly side the last couple weeks. It's starting to remind me of the WCOFF boards with players challenging other players left and right. I guess I'm as guilty of getting caught up in these debates as much as anyone. I'll personally just chalk it up to the contests closing in on their halfway points and everyone feeling a bit of the summer heat.



Still, we should probably remember these are just message boards. In the grand scheme of things, pretty meaningless.

[KJ Duke]

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by Hells Satans:

The level of douchebaggery in some of these posts is effing astounding. Yeah, the boards have turned a bit towards the ugly side the last couple weeks. It's starting to remind me of the WCOFF boards with players challenging other players left and right. I guess I'm as guilty of getting caught up in these debates as much as anyone. I'll personally just chalk it up to the contests closing in on their halfway points and everyone feeling a bit of the summer heat.



Still, we should probably remember these are just message boards. In the grand scheme of things, pretty meaningless. [/QUOTE]I think everyone has been spolied by Uncle Doughboy's feel good posts taking over as the main discussion this year. We've had far nastier debates in the past, if the worst we have are a few accused whiners and jerkoffs we're several levels ahead of past years. I'm not taking any of this too seriously and I doubt many are. GX can be a horse's ass but I still like him, , and that goes for most of the rest of the guys in here.



Now someone call Dan to get us back on track ...

[Glenneration X]

Same here KJ.



One thing on the picture you posted....

I've yet to meet Doughy in person yet, but that is almost exactly the way I picture him.

[MadCow Sez]

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

Same here KJ.



One thing on the picture you posted....

I've yet to meet Doughy in person yet, but that is almost exactly the way I picture him. GX...don't see him wearing a Nike shirt though....

[Sack]

Money:



I guess I'll simply agree to disagree with you. Hopefully this topic will make more people aware of the ability to take advantage of the rule/software as it stands.



I do know for certain the example I set for my son is my business. Right or wrong, you don't need to cross that line. I don't recall if you are a Dad - but if you are fortunate enough to be in that position concern yourself with your own family.



You ALMOST got the donut shop correct. Made a stop for breakfast and went back for a java and a few mini's for the 8 o'clock game.



[ June 26, 2011, 07:34 PM: Message edited by: Sack ]

[The Mighty Men]

Originally posted by Hells Satans:

The level of douchebaggery in some of these posts is effing astounding. Good post.

[Fourslot40]

Sack... I don't know you, but you are classless.

[Cobb]

Originally posted by Fourslot40:

Sack... I don't know you, but you are classless. I think the important part of this post is the fact that you said you didn't know Sack, for if you did you probably wouldn't think he's classless.



The problem with message boards is you can't get context. I think passion can sometimes come across the wrong way and then follow up posts tend to take on a life of their own.



[ June 26, 2011, 10:14 PM: Message edited by: Cobb ]

[Money]

Originally posted by Sack:

Money:



I guess I'll simply agree to disagree with you. Hopefully this topic will make more people aware of the ability to take advantage of the rule/software as it stands.



I do know for certain the example I set for my son is my business. Right or wrong, you don't need to cross that line. I don't recall if you are a Dad - but if you are fortunate enough to be in that position concern yourself with your own family.



You ALMOST got the donut shop correct. Made a stop for breakfast and went back for a java and a few mini's for the 8 o'clock game. Ken, Agree to disagree was the way to go from the beginning. I typically don't fire the first stone, but when one comes at me, I fire back.



I'm sorry if you feel I crossed some sort of line. I'll throw my 2 cents in anytime it can help a young person. I'm so far from perfect, but yes I have an incredible child.



How cool would it have been for (your son) to see the "Agree to Disagree" rather than the venom that had to come before it?



Good Luck Ken, you're obviously one of the best players around. You don't need to win with software glitches that don't conform to the written rules.



We have opposing points of view, "Agree to disagree". A lot of the best players new of the advantage and used it. In my mind it doesn't make it right. If the NFBC new going into this season, they should've re-wrtitten the rule. Many new they had a competitive advantage. I think it sucks, you disagree.



Not one of the big time players ever quoted a rule or stated any type of case with the exception of "You should've figured it out" If the rule had been written properly we would have.



Good Luck to you. My daughter is 19 years old and the only reason I get up in the morning. I raised her on my own and she is so much better than me. Thank God.

[Glenneration X]

Originally posted by Sack:

This is a tricky one, Hanson is set to pitch Tuesday. Normally a pitcher is activated the day he is scheduled to pitch. So if you decide to pull the trigger, the best time is 6:56pm on Monday evening.

Then you can read how unfair this move is to your league and the overall contest by some of the bleeding hearts. Ken, the ironic thing is I again have the opportunity to utilize this loophole tomorrow, this time with Hanson in one of the Main Event leagues we share.

[Sebadiah23]

A loophole is a weakness or exception that allows a system, such as a law or security, to be circumvented or otherwise avoided. Loopholes are searched for and used strategically in a variety of circumstances, including taxes, elections, politics, the criminal justice system, or in breaches of security.



Historically, arrowslits were narrow vertical windows from which castle defenders launched arrows from a sheltered position, and were also referred to as "loopholes." Thus a loophole in a law often contravenes the intent of the law without technically breaking it, much as the small slit window in a castle wall provides the only ready means of gaining entry without breaching or destroying the wall or a gate. For example, in some places, one may avoid paying taxes to the jurisdiction by forming a second residence in another location, or a commercial property can be built in a residential zone if it is made also for residential use.



In a security system, the one who breaches the system (such as an inmate escaping from prison or a terrorist) exploits the loophole during breach. Such weaknesses are often studied in advance by the violator, who spends time observing and learning the routine of the system and sometimes conducts surreptitious tests until such a loophole can be found.



Examples of legal loopholes:

In 2005, Wal-Mart planned a store in Calvert County, Maryland. While a law in the county restricted the size of a retail store to 75,000 square feet (7,000 m2), Wal-Mart considered a plan that would dodge this restriction by building two separate smaller stores. Though Wal-Mart later withdrew this controversial plan[2], the plan highlighted a legal loophole.



Ford Transit Connect

Parts of the interiors of U.S. bound Ford Transit Connect shredded immediately upon importation to circumvent the 1963 Chicken Tax, which imposes a 25% tariff on imported light trucks. Ford imports all Transit Connects as "passenger vehicles" with rear windows, rear seats and rear seatbelts. The vehicles are exported from Turkey, arrive in Baltimore, and are converted into "light trucks": rear windows are replaced with metal panels and rear seats removed.[3] The process exploits a loophole in the customs definition of a commercial vehicle. As cargo does not need seats with seat belts or rear windows, mere presence of those items exempts the vehicle from light truck status. The conversion process costs Ford only hundreds of dollars per van, but saves thousands in taxes.



NFBC

Instead of getting an extra half-week from another pitcher due to a pitcher surprisingly going on the DL (to counter-balance bad luck), competitors can make switches on Friday in a couple other situations where surprise and bad luck have nothing to do with it. Weaknesses in the preciseness of the rule, a rule which was trying to not get too complicated and yet still be programmable and manageable, are exploited. Many owners are smug about how smart they are noticing the loopholes first.



See also



Exemption

Fine print

Gaming the system

Gerrymandering

Grey area (concept)

Legal technicality

Piggybacking

Quibble (plot device)