All Time Baseball Draft

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:47 pm

I'm putting together an All-Time Fantasy Baseball draft. It is a 15 team league with the entry fee being $100. The winner of the league wins an entry to the NFBC main event next year.

You can draft any player in baseball history starting in 1876. You need to select the player and then select the year of stats you would like to use.

The draft is 23 rounds (NFBC starting lineup).

20 games to qualify at a position.

1500 innings minimum for pitching.

A free entry will go to one owner who will handle the excel spread sheet updates and track the standings. We can get an update after each round of the draft.

I need to workout the payment details. If Greg approves, we can send Stats the entry fees.

This is a slow draft on the message board. Each owner has 24 hours to pick.

It should be a fun draft and help us relive some of baseball history.

I'd like to start next week some time if we get enough interest.

Here's the signup list:

1-Shawn Childs

2-Rick Thomas

3-Todd Zola (Spreadsheet)

mbendar16 · Post by **mbendar16** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:04 pm

Shawn,

Is this through Diamond Mine Baseball or some other similar software? How will the winner be determined?

Thanks,

Mark

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:28 pm

I see Lord Zola has already beaten me to the spreadsheet. Count me in anyways.

-Dave Shovein

[ October 12, 2011, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: Likewhat17 ]

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:42 pm

I’m interested in joining. But I would like to know about player selection.

Can each player only be taken once, or multiple times as long as it is a different season?

Ex. 1 You take Babe Ruth 1921. No one else can select a Ruth season.

Or

Ex 2. You take Ruth 1921. Then either you or anyone else can select Ruth 1927 or whatever season.

I prefer Ex 1.

Thanks, Russel

mbendar16 · Post by **mbendar16** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:09 pm

Shawn,

I'm in. Please PM me with the detailed rules.

Thanks,

Mark

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:25 am

Originally posted by mbendar16:

Shawn,

Is this through Diamond Mine Baseball or some other similar software? How will the winner be determined?

Thanks,

Mark We won't be using any software. Todd will set it up in a spread sheet. You will everyone's team and the standing after each round. The picks will posted on the message board will any commentary.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:26 am

Originally posted by Navel Lint:

I’m interested in joining. But I would like to know about player selection.

Can each player only be taken once, or multiple times as long as it is a different season?

Ex. 1 You take Babe Ruth 1921. No one else can select a Ruth season.

Or

Ex 2. You take Ruth 1921. Then either you or anyone else can select Ruth 1927 or whatever season.

I prefer Ex 1.

Thanks, Russel A player can only be taken once. Once you draft Ruth, no one else can draft him.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:28 am

Originally posted by mbendar16:

Shawn,

I'm in. Please PM me with the detailed rules.

Thanks,

Mark The rules are NFBC 15 team format style. The only changes are in the innings and we are using 20 game mininum for batters.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:39 am

With respect to the spreadsheet, it is not fair if I am the only one that sees the running totals, pick by pick, so I am going to post it on line whenever I update it and everyone in the league will have the ability to download it.

You will also have the ability to add in a player's stats and team on your own if you have an upcoming pick and I have not uploaded a recent update.

To that end, I will be in Arizona at the AFL symposium the week of 10/31 to 11/6, so the updates may be a little less frequent, but they will be frequent enough to not impact the proceedings.

Finally, at the end of each round, the standings and category totals will be posted so everyone following the draft can see them.

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:43 am

Are we set in stone on starting with 1876? That's fine if we are, I just see an extremely high percentage of players being taken from those pre 1900 years.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:02 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

Are we set in stone on starting with 1876? That's fine if we are, I just see an extremely high percentage of players being taken from those pre 1900 years. 1886 is the first year that Baseball-Reference archives SB -- I'll check with Shawn to see if he wants to alter the start date to 1886.

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:27 am

Originally posted by ToddZ:

quote:Originally posted by Likewhat17:

Are we set in stone on starting with 1876? That's fine if we are, I just see an extremely high percentage of players being taken from those pre 1900 years. 1886 is the first year that Baseball-Reference archives SB -- I'll check with Shawn to see if he wants to alter the start date to 1886. [/QUOTE]That would take away my top 3 picks though! I say 1876 is the way to go

mbendar · Post by **mbendar** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:38 am

I would agree that it should be 1876 or post-1900.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:41 am

Those also were not 'real' stolen bases. Then, they were credited with a 'stolen base' for going from first to third on a single.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:45 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Those also were not 'real' stolen bases. Then, they were credited with a 'stolen base' for going from first to third on a single. And there was a time that BB were considered hits as well. And I believe ground rule doubles were homers, but I could be wrong there.

It doesn't matter HOW/WHY the stat is credited, only how we all "value" it and incorporate it into our game theory.

My point about 1876/1886 is we either have to take a zero for SB for hitters prior to 1885 or start with 1886, the first year they stat was archived by B-R.

Nevadaman · Post by **Nevadaman** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:49 am

Post-1900 makes the most sense. In 1876, the rules were so crazy they were playing a different game, thus rendering the stats meaningless. I would definitely play a post-1900 draft.

Suburban Strugglers · Post by **Suburban Strugglers** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:08 am

I would like to be in the league as well, I would prefer it was post 1900 as I agree that they where almost literally playing a different game then, but I would be in either way. Email me at [email protected] if you are going to without a doubt do the league. Thanks.

Asumijet · Post by **Asumijet** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:27 am

Of the top 50 individual seasons of SBs here is the break down:

1887-1896- 34;

1897-1961- 2;

1962- 1989- 14

1990- pres- 0

As long as everyone is working from the same data set, not sure it matters what the dates are. The different eras add an extra layer or two of thought and game theory to the challenge.

Shawn- please count me in the game.

[ October 13, 2011, 01:27 PM: Message edited by: Asumijet ]

Nevadaman · Post by **Nevadaman** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:59 am

The pre-1886 seasons have to be knocked out or the game is ruined. RBI and SB totals are not even available, so no batters can be selected - only pitchers. Which means the first pick probably wins the game. (1884 Hoss Radbourne 60 wins 441 K's 1.35 era 0.92 whip for 678 innings!) There are a few other crazy years like this, but not anywhere near as good. The 15th pick has literally no chance because all the insane early pitching seasons will be gone and you can't make it up.

[ October 13, 2011, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: Nevadaman ]

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:17 am

Originally posted by Nevadaman:

The pre-1886 seasons have to be knocked out or the game is ruined. RBI and SB totals are not even available, so no batters can be selected - only pitchers. Which means the first pick probably wins the game. (1884 Hoss Radbourne 60 wins 441 K's 1.35 era 0.92 whip for 678 innings!) There are a few other crazy years like this, but not anywhere near as good. The 15th pick has literally no chance because all the insane early pitching seasons will be gone and you can't make it up. This is probably accurate, and the reason why we should at least use 1900+. Regardless though, I'm working on my cheat sheet currently using all players and will adjust based off of what we decide

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:26 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

Are we set in stone on starting with 1876? That's fine if we are, I just see an extremely high percentage of players being taken from those pre 1900 years. We can start with either time frame. I put up 1876 because I wanted to bring attention to some of the crazy year in early baseball. The inventory is limited so it might make sense to start in the 1900's.

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:33 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Likewhat17:

Are we set in stone on starting with 1876? That's fine if we are, I just see an extremely high percentage of players being taken from those pre 1900 years. We can start with either time frame. I put up 1876 because I wanted to bring attention to some of the crazy year in early baseball. The inventory is limited so it might make sense to start in the 1900's. [/QUOTE]I'd prefer 1901, but will accept any date. Count me in if spots are still available.

~Russel

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:54 am

Ok...1901 it is....I think we have 8 or 9. I'll update the list later tonight when I get home.

Texas Connection · Post by **Texas Connection** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:55 am

Shawn I have always wanted to do a league like that. I would love to enter. Sign me up.

GLG20 · Post by **GLG20** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:36 am

Well if Jon's doing it..... count me in!

Email at [email protected] and please let me know when/where to send my donation.

Thanks. Lookin forward to it!