All Time Draft Thread

Nevadaman · Post by **Nevadaman** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:00 am

originally posted by gamblor:

It will likely force people to evaluate their strategies pretty far down the line and that could take some time. Don't hate the idea, but if there is only one or two conflicts this way actually might take longer as everyone would be creating lists that may turn out to be mostly unnecessary.

The point is that this will require only ONE EMAIL instead of many. We'd be done in a day as opposed to a week or even two weeks. Who knows?

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:02 am

Originally posted by Nevadaman:

originally posted by gamblor:

It will likely force people to evaluate their strategies pretty far down the line and that could take some time. Don't hate the idea, but if there is only one or two conflicts this way actually might take longer as everyone would be creating lists that may turn out to be mostly unnecessary.

The point is that this will require only ONE EMAIL instead of many. We'd be done in a day as opposed to a week or even two weeks. Who knows? The other point (maybe the same point, but it is being missed) is the thought process is the exact same, regardless if it is all at once or piece-meal over several back and forths with Doughboys.

mbendar16 · Post by **mbendar16** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:05 am

I have no problem with the list of names, but to be fair, would agree to have round 15 change to 16 as a blind round to have 2 odds and evens.

Not a dealbreaker and fine either way, just my thoughts.

Nevadaman · Post by **Nevadaman** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:06 am

Originally posted by ToddZ:

The other point (maybe the same point, but it is being missed) is the thought process is the exact same, regardless if it is all at once or piece-meal over several back and forths with Doughboys.

Exactly!

Nevadaman · Post by **Nevadaman** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:07 am

As for changing round 15 to 16, that seems fair.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:08 am

Originally posted by Nevadaman:

As for changing round 15 to 16, that seems fair. YES, this seems to have been lost in the shuffle and changing it should not impact strategy already employed.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:12 am

I know what you're saying I'm just not convinced one email that takes an hour to write will be much faster than 3 or 4 emails that take 5 minutes to write. I just feel bad for the guys picking last who have to come up with 14 or 15 picks while the drafters picking near the top have to only think about 1 or 2 or 3. [/QB]Gekko sends his e-mail but Dan was at the Dollar Store and responds an hour later.

Gekko is attending to his family and gets to it a few hours later and responds.

Dan is umpiring, returns the note but Gekko has logged off for the evening -- etc.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:18 am

Probably poking my nose where it doesn't belong. ....

In any scenerio, team 2 if picking the same player will know who team one picked.

A minuscule advantage and they still won't know the year.

If team 3 picks a player or even both of the previous players, they will not know which player was drafted by which team.

Mountain-molehilling may be going on a bit.

The blinds were made so that exact needed stats would not be known. Any scenario, including the draft process that has been done up to now keeps that intact.

Just my 2 cents...carry on

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:21 am

I think I'm leaning to the 1 email with a full list of your picks.

Yes, it's possible that the number two person may gain a slight advantage. But the odds of each of the top two or three players picking the same player is small.

This would be the fastest method.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:27 am

In the meantime, The Fool on the Hill is keeping perfectly still!

As Mr. T would say, "You're up, FOOL!"

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:40 am

As my first official post I'd just like to say how happy I am to be a part of this draft. Great format , great fun, and great people!

vpokrnut · Post by **vpokrnut** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:55 am

I for one would have no problem typing up 12 names and emailing Dan and what ever player I got I would be happy. I would not know if any of my players were picked before me unless my pick was my #12 player, which is highly unlikely. All this blind round stuff was started because of so called collusion between owners. I think even after 4 rounds, you can get an idea what other teams might need. Especially what happens in rounds 6,7,8,9. You will almost be able to tell what a lot of teams might have drafted. Just look at Todd's spreadsheet. That says a lot. Sorry about the length of this post.

The Fool on the Hill · Post by **The Fool on the Hill** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:58 am

I'm catching up on what's happened overnight, and the discussion on the blind picks. I'll pick soon.

Suburban Strugglers · Post by **Suburban Strugglers** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:03 am

I am up for whatever you all decide is the best way to do the blinds. I have no problem making a list of 5 players in two rounds and 11 players in two rounds as will be the case based on me picking 5th.

Also I think we should switch the blind round from 15 to 16 as everyone said to make things fair.

When a decision is made post it and if it is the list way let us know when to send the email. Thanks guys.

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:05 am

Originally posted by vpokrnut:

I for one would have no problem typing up 12 names and emailing Dan and what ever player I got I would be happy. I would not know if any of my players were picked before me unless my pick was my #12 player, which is highly unlikely. All this blind round stuff was started because of so called collusion between owners. I think even after 4 rounds, you can get an idea what other teams might need. Especially what happens in rounds 6,7,8,9. You will almost be able to tell what a lot of teams might have drafted. Just look at Todd's spreadsheet. That says a lot. Sorry about the length of this post. Whatever number choice you get on your list, one less player than that would have been taken before it got to you. If you received option #4 on your list then the 3 players you had ahead of that were all selected.

You will be able to get a vague idea of where you stand but you may be underestimating how much of an impact the blind rounds will have. If I don't know if you took a closer, sp, 50 home run 1b, or speedster it will be pretty tough to know where my team stands in relation to yours. Towards the last few rounds it will become clearer as you can look back and try to reconstruct another teams blind rounds, but you will never know for sure until the draft is over and the results are announced.

[ October 27, 2011, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: G@mblor ]

The Fool on the Hill · Post by **The Fool on the Hill** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:06 am

As a side note, it would seem to me that blind rounds might tend more to allow collusion than prevent it. Some of you guys know each other very well, and I'm sure the temptation to discuss strategy and each others blind picks and how to combat other guys strategy might be strong. Not saying anyone WOULD, but if that was the reason for the blind rounds I don't see how it accomplishes its intended purpose.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:18 am

Originally posted by The Fool on the Hill:

As a side note, it would seem to me that blind rounds might tend more to allow collusion than prevent it. Some of you guys know each other very well, and I'm sure the temptation to discuss strategy and each others blind picks and how to combat other guys strategy might be strong. Not saying anyone WOULD, but if that was the reason for the blind rounds I don't see how it accomplishes its intended purpose. This would never happen, at least speaking on behalf of the folks I know in this draft.

They are just too darned competitive.

No way.

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:27 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by The Fool on the Hill:

As a side note, it would seem to me that blind rounds might tend more to allow collusion than prevent it. Some of you guys know each other very well, and I'm sure the temptation to discuss strategy and each others blind picks and how to combat other guys strategy might be strong. Not saying anyone WOULD, but if that was the reason for the blind rounds I don't see how it accomplishes its intended purpose. This would never happen, at least speaking on behalf of the folks I know in this draft.

They are just too darned competitive.

No way. [/QUOTE]I agree that if people wanted to cheat then they could do this regardless of the format. In my case however, I always draft/play harder against people I know. Dave is one of my best friends and if we were drafting on separate teams I'd be trying to beat his brains in more than anyone.I never thought collusion would be an issue but since we have chosen the blind round format we might as well accept that, for this draft, it's just the way it's gonna be and do the best we can with it.

The Fool on the Hill · Post by **The Fool on the Hill** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:29 am

I'll take Vida Blue 1971

Texas Connection · Post by **Texas Connection** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:46 am

I believe I may have been the one that suggested the possibility of a team picking at the end determining the winner. My thinking was not collusion just more of a "what if I know my last pick won't get me in the money, and if I take this guy team A will win, and if I pick this guy team B will win. That situation wouldn't be good for any of the 3. I liked the suggesion of the blind rounds because it seemed to take that scenario out of play. Also, it just seemed kind of cool to me.

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:56 am

Originally posted by The Fool on the Hill:

I'll take Vida Blue 1971 used to be the trivia answer to the question: who was the last American League switch hitter to win MVP

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:58 am

Originally posted by The Fool on the Hill:

I'll take Vida Blue 1971

Vida Blue