All Time Draft Thread

The Fool on the Hill · Post by **The Fool on the Hill** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:42 pm

Thoughts about the draft.... and Gekko's observations--

Well, I said it before we even started picking players that the first few guys would have a huge advantage. Not only do you get crazy good stats with Walsh, Mathewson, and Johnson, but you get 350-450 innings worth of crazy good stats and 35+ wins. Alexander and Chesbro are close, but definitely 2nd tier. All those innings is equal to getting 1000 AB's from your best hitter. Starting in 1920 or later would be much more balanced and give everybody an equal shot at winning. JMHO

Nevadaman · Post by **Nevadaman** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:48 pm

Agree that the first few picks have a big edge, but it would be a shame to eliminate those years and those players. 3RR is a better solution, and it adds a lot to one's KDS decisions!

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:50 pm

Originally posted by Nevadaman:

Agree that the first few picks have a big edge, but it would be a shame to eliminate those years and those players. 3RR is a better solution, and it adds a lot to one's KDS decisions! Even with 3RR, I would still want the very top of the draft.

Nevadaman · Post by **Nevadaman** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:58 pm

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

Even with 3RR, I would still want the very top of the draft.

Maybe so, but it's a much closer decision!

[ October 29, 2011, 08:58 PM: Message edited by: Nevadaman ]

mbendar16 · Post by **mbendar16** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:05 pm

Mark - I live in Central NJ and the traffic light is out on the major highway - until that comes back, I won't have power - just like the hurricane.

Fellas - I know the weekends are when we hope to get the most rounds in, but this is the only pick I can make tonight. I can't get a hold of my friend, so I can only think his power is out too. I'm assuming we'll be up tomorrow morning/afternoon, and I'll try to make a pick as soon as I can.

Our pick - Trevor Hoffman 1998

Nevadaman · Post by **Nevadaman** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:15 pm

unf@@kingbelievable. He did it to me again! I've been waiting all day to pick Hoffman. Well, the closer run starts NOW. Bobby Thigpen 1990 Chicago 1.83 1.038 70K 57SV

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:20 pm

time to keep the hit parade going for this pick. then i'll need some time to make my next pic. i'm still working in the new pitching stats. i might have to throw up in my mouth and take a stink'n pitcher

by the sounds of it though, the draft will stop after nevedaman picks.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:23 pm

i'd be one dumb MoFo if i took the next guy and had r.alomar and soriano already rostered.

with that, i'll take biggio...

Biggio, C

Year 1998

AB 646

H 210

Runs 123

HR 20

RBI 88

SB 50

AVG 0.325

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:29 pm

There's always the Utility position.

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:30 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

i'd be one dumb MoFo if i took the next guy and had r.alomar and soriano already rostered.

with that, i'll take biggio...

Biggio, C

Year 1998

AB 646

H 210

Runs 123

HR 20

RBI 88

SB 50

AVG 0.325 Good pick.Little early for your utility player though isn't it?

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:33 pm

small issue with the spreadsheet -- need a few minutes to see what I did, sorry.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:34 pm

Originally posted by G@mblor:

Good pick.Little early for your utility player though isn't it? one less 2nd baseman in the pool

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:36 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

i'd be one dumb MoFo if i took the next guy and had r.alomar and soriano already rostered.

with that, i'll take biggio...

Biggio, C

Year 1998

AB 646

H 210

Runs 123

HR 20

RBI 88

SB 50

AVG 0.325

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:49 pm

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:50 pm

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:57 pm

with that stuff out of the way...

unfortunately, i need to publicly select my first pitcher. this guy gives me a little bit of everything. never heard of him until earlier tonight

Reulbach, E

Year 1905

Innings 291.7

Wins 18

Ks 152

SV 1

ERA 1.42

Whip 0.96

Suburban Strugglers · Post by **Suburban Strugglers** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:00 pm

I am 100 percent down to do a draft like this again. I would do it either after next season or right after this one or whenever. So you can count me in on it.

I do think that 3RR is something we would have to do. I am not for starting after 1920 although if that was what was decided I would be up for that as well. I still think even with 3RR that I would still try for those top picks but it does close the gap a ton.

I think that after doing a draft like this and then getting one of those top pitchers in the next draft you would have a monster advantage. As for this draft I am not convinced that the winner will come from one of those slots, with this being the first time doing this I can see things going a different way.

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:01 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

with that stuff out of the way...

unfortunately, i need to publicly select my first pitcher. this guy gives me a little bit of everything. never heard of him until earlier tonight

Reulbach, E

Year 1905

Innings 291.7

Wins 18

Ks 152

SV 1

ERA 1.42

Whip 0.96

One of the guys we had on our radar before the draft even started. Nice selection. Not bad for a #2.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:03 pm

Not for nothing, but if we are so concerned with how the draft order impacts the results, I can think of a way to mitigate that.....

ALL TIME AUCTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nevadaman · Post by **Nevadaman** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:05 pm

I'll take a SS (my MI) Vern Stephens 1949 Boston .290 113-39-159-2

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:06 pm

Originally posted by G@mblor:

One of the guys we had on our radar before the draft even started. Nice selection. Not bad for a #2. i just don't see many 4 category SP out there. while his 155K's are low (compared to the avg SP), they ain't no "88"

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:09 pm

Originally posted by Nevadaman:

I'll take a SS (my MI) Vern Stephens 1949 Boston .290 113-39-159-2 NICE one. i have to give u guys a lot of credit. i had some preconceived notions about how everyone would be drafting as a whole....however u guys have exceeded my expectations

and wih biggio and stephens off the board, those remaining MI slots are close to being negative value!!!

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:13 pm

Originally posted by Suburban Strugglers:

I am 100 percent down to do a draft like this again. I would do it either after next season or right after this one or whenever. So you can count me in on it.

hopefully we can start right after this one and use 3RR (with KDS).

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:14 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

One of the guys we had on our radar before the draft even started. Nice selection. Not bad for a #2. i just don't see many 4 category SP out there. while his 155K's are low (compared to the avg SP), they ain't no "88"

[/QUOTE]As far as only "88" goes, I'm not sure there has been a sp with less wins taken this whole draft than Reulbach. Seems like you don't have much concern for wins.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:17 pm

Originally posted by G@mblor:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

One of the guys we had on our radar before the draft even started. Nice selection. Not bad for a #2. i just don't see many 4 category SP out there. while his 155K's are low (compared to the avg SP), they ain't no "88"

[/QUOTE]As far as only "88" goes, I'm not sure there has been a sp with less wins taken this whole draft than Reulbach. Seems like you don't have much concern for wins. [/QUOTE]pedro only had 18 (and he was taken in the 3rd)