All Time Draft Thread

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:17 pm

Originally posted by G@mblor:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

One of the guys we had on our radar before the draft even started. Nice selection. Not bad for a #2. i just don't see many 4 category SP out there. while his 155K's are low (compared to the avg SP), they ain't no "88"

[/QUOTE]As far as only "88" goes, I'm not sure there has been a sp with less wins taken this whole draft than Reulbach. Seems like you don't have much concern for wins. [/QUOTE]This pick pretty much confirms 88 for Gekko. He's punting w's and K's and will be looking to make a stand in WHIP & ERA. Might work. Only 1000+ more innings to hold those ratios in place Mark.

Suburban Strugglers · Post by **Suburban Strugglers** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:20 pm

Nice picks both of you. Both of you guys. Vern Stephens was without a doubt the guy I would have taken had he gotten around to me. To get 39 and 159 out of a short stop is a amazing year, especially in the era that Stephenson played when SS where really just known for their glove.

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:22 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

One of the guys we had on our radar before the draft even started. Nice selection. Not bad for a #2. i just don't see many 4 category SP out there. while his 155K's are low (compared to the avg SP), they ain't no "88"

[/QUOTE]As far as only "88" goes, I'm not sure there has been a sp with less wins taken this whole draft than Reulbach. Seems like you don't have much concern for wins. [/QUOTE]pedro only had 18 (and he was taken in the 3rd) [/QUOTE]Tied for worst then:). and with your Dutch/Reulbach that looks like only 37 wins to me.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:23 pm

END OF THE SEVENTH

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Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:24 pm

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

This pick pretty much confirms 88 for Gekko. He's punting w's and K's and will be looking to make a stand in WHIP & ERA. Might work. Only 1000+ more innings to hold those ratios in place Mark.

team one has the 88K pitcher. we all know he's punting!!

for my #1 SP i needed a guy with some low ratios to tolerate the later picks. however, if u'd like to think i'm punting, that works as well

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:25 pm

Originally posted by G@mblor:

Tied for worst then:). and with your Dutch/Reulbach that looks like only 37 wins to me. WTF is dutch?

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:27 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

Tied for worst then:). and with your Dutch/Reulbach that looks like only 37 wins to me. WTF is dutch? [/QUOTE]Dutch is your Dutch Leonard pick in round 5, don't play coy.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:30 pm

Originally posted by G@mblor:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

Tied for worst then:). and with your Dutch/Reulbach that looks like only 37 wins to me. WTF is dutch? [/QUOTE]Dutch is your Dutch Leonard pick in round 5, don't play coy. [/QUOTE]i don't know any of the older player's first names. mlb.com only lists the last name and first initial. so now i have d.leonard on my team in the 5th? you really don't have any idea who i took in the 5th, do u?

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:32 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

Tied for worst then:). and with your Dutch/Reulbach that looks like only 37 wins to me. WTF is dutch? [/QUOTE]Dutch is your Dutch Leonard pick in round 5, don't play coy. [/QUOTE]i don't know any of the older player's first names. mlb.com only lists the last name and first initial. so now i have d.leonard on my team in the 5th? you really don't have any idea who i took in the 5th, do u? [/QUOTE]He's your player, if you prefer to think of him as d.leonard that is up to you.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:36 pm

Originally posted by G@mblor:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

Tied for worst then:). and with your Dutch/Reulbach that looks like only 37 wins to me. WTF is dutch? [/QUOTE]Dutch is your Dutch Leonard pick in round 5, don't play coy. [/QUOTE]i don't know any of the older player's first names. mlb.com only lists the last name and first initial. so now i have d.leonard on my team in the 5th? you really don't have any idea who i took in the 5th, do u? [/QUOTE]He's your player, if you prefer to think of him as d.leonard that is up to you. [/QUOTE]YOU are the DUTCH owner! this is based on your 2nd pitcher being a player who only has 88K's. your strategy is crystal clear. dutch is the player that fits that strategy.

maybe we could get a side wager going on your pick in the 5th. what kinda odds will u give me on leonard being your pick?

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:37 pm

Through 8.02

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:40 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

Tied for worst then:). and with your Dutch/Reulbach that looks like only 37 wins to me. WTF is dutch? [/QUOTE]Dutch is your Dutch Leonard pick in round 5, don't play coy. [/QUOTE]i don't know any of the older player's first names. mlb.com only lists the last name and first initial. so now i have d.leonard on my team in the 5th? you really don't have any idea who i took in the 5th, do u? [/QUOTE]He's your player, if you prefer to think of him as d.leonard that is up to you. [/QUOTE]YOU are the DUTCH owner! this is based on your 2nd pitcher being a player who only has 88K's. your strategy is crystal clear. dutch is the player that fits that strategy.

maybe we could get a side wager going on your pick in the 5th. what kinda odds will u give me on leonard being your pick? [/QUOTE]Taking an 18 win pitcher with plenty of slightly higher ratio guys with more wins on the board is as much of an indication as anything. YOU sir are certainly punting wins, and probably strikeouts also. d. leonard fits YOUR strategy perfectly. I actually remember us talking about revealing our 5th round picks but I think that moment may have passed.

[ October 29, 2011, 10:42 PM: Message edited by: G@mblor ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:42 pm

Originally posted by G@mblor:

taking an 18 win pitcher with plenty of slightly higher ratio guys with more wins on the board is as much of an indication as anything. YOU sir are certainly punting wins, and probably strikeouts also. d. leonard fits YOU'RE strategy perfectly. I actually remember us talking about revealing our 5th round picks but I think that moment may have passed. maybe we could get a side wager going on your pick in the 5th. what kinda odds will u give me on leonard being your pick?

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:46 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by G@mblor:

taking an 18 win pitcher with plenty of slightly higher ratio guys with more wins on the board is as much of an indication as anything. YOU sir are certainly punting wins, and probably strikeouts also. d. leonard fits YOU'RE strategy perfectly. I actually remember us talking about revealing our 5th round picks but I think that moment may have passed. maybe we could get a side wager going on your pick in the 5th. what kinda odds will u give me on leonard being your pick? [/QUOTE]We can discuss some terms tomorrow if you'd like. I'm off to dream of 25w 250k guys being available at the 8/9 turn

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:51 pm

Another thought from the peanut gallery......if you guys are so concernced about the weight of the first X picks you really should go beyond 3RR....or use what was originally termed 3RR and is now called Bonzai

1st round = 1-12

2nd round = 12-1

3rd round

AND every subsequent round = 12-1

And by the way FBG years ago ran the numbers with the weights assigned for FF drafts and with Bonzai there was STILL a small advantage to the 1st pick according to their numbers - and there were not three picks that were as advantageous as the pitchers in this draft.......just saying

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:31 am

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Another thought from the peanut gallery......if you guys are so concernced about the weight of the first X picks you really should go beyond 3RR....or use what was originally termed 3RR and is now called Bonzai

1st round = 1-12

2nd round = 12-1

3rd round

AND every subsequent round = 12-1

And by the way FBG years ago ran the numbers with the weights assigned for FF drafts and with Bonzai there was STILL a small advantage to the 1st pick according to their numbers - and there were not three picks that were as advantageous as the pitchers in this draft.......just saying Psssst Perry.......1-15 and 15-1.

Either way, I think that would be a bit too extreme. Also since I think the huge early advantage is limited to only the top 4 or 5 picks, the team picking in the 6-hole first round may as well just mail his check in if he had to draft 10th every subsequent round.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:45 am

The major difference between football and baseball is the rotisserie nature of baseball scoring.

In football, the currency between all players is fantasy points. The Bonzai mechanism served to equal out fantasy points if the draft goes chalk. Obviously, the final results never go as the projections expected, but that's not what we are talking about.

In baseball, drafting the best pitcher, no matter how good, only gives you an advantage in pitching. Perhaps more importantly, the rotisserie scoring aspect allows one to overcome the advantage given to the top picks.

Personally, I would need to see how several more of these drafts play out before I would be comfortable deciding the best set up and strategical approach.

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:00 am

Originally posted by ToddZ:

The major difference between football and baseball is the rotisserie nature of baseball scoring.

In football, the currency between all players is fantasy points. The Bonzai mechanism served to equal out fantasy points if the draft goes chalk. Obviously, the final results never go as the projections expected, but that's not what we are talking about.

In baseball, drafting the best pitcher, no matter how good, only gives you an advantage in pitching. Perhaps more importantly, the rotisserie scoring aspect allows one to overcome the advantage given to the top picks.

Personally, I would need to see how several more of these drafts play out before I would be comfortable deciding the best set up and strategical approach. I agree. Reading some of the posts put up here over the past day you would think that those owners are already suggesting that they have little chance to win even though we are just one third of the way through the draft. Of course, they could just be looking at their teams.

Even if team 1 or 2 wins this league, one draft certainly does not make up a sample size worthy of changing the draft structure. However, I will be setting my KDS 1-15 next time.

[ October 30, 2011, 09:51 AM: Message edited by: Navel Lint ]

mbendar16 · Post by **mbendar16** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:40 am

Sorry for the delay fellas, I'm back at my brother's house to make our next pick, which is.....

Ryan Howard 2006

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:41 am

when looking at the data i was missing from 1901-1903, i also realized that i might be missing a LOT MORE data because mlb only has the 1000 best single seasons for each category. for instance, i copied the best 1000 homerun seasons, however ruth, aaron, bonds, etc...appeared multiple times. so out of that 1000, i might be left with only 300 unique players. same thing goes for all of the other categories (except whip).

it's even worse for whip. mlb doesn't have all time best seasons for whip, so i don't have any of those seasons (unless they were contained in Wins, Ks, era).

summary --> i'm trying to find and incorporate more hitting and pitching data in my database. formatting it is a time black hole though.

after we go through this draft, i will add all of the players i missed to my database. should have me ready to roll for the next one

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:27 am

Bruce Dahl's up with Pausma on deck.

vpokrnut · Post by **vpokrnut** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:54 am

pick is in 2007 JJ Putz 6w 40s 1.38era ..698whip 82k 71.67ip Guess what? The closer run continues

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JohnP · Post by **JohnP** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:58 am

Joe Medwick 1937 OF

111 / 31 / 154 / 4 / .374

vpokrnut · Post by **vpokrnut** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:01 am

nice pick JP Had him rated high at this point in the draft

JohnP · Post by **JohnP** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:06 am

Originally posted by vpokrnut:

nice pick JP Had him rated high at this point in the draft I need him to have that average with 1000 ABs!