All Time Draft Thread

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:18 pm

Well, since the cat is out of the bag, and many people "assume" that we are punting k's, let's add another great pitcher to our rotation.

George McQuillan, 1908 Phillies

23 Wins / 2 Saves / 1.53 ERA / 0.984 WHIP / 114 K (359 2/3 IP)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ge01.shtml

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:27 pm

Originally posted by Suburban Strugglers:

You just reminded me that I still do have that card. Just went and looked for it and found it. I wonder what the value is currently on it. . The value of cards is dependent on the grading of the condition and authenticity of the card.

For those of you who either want to sell or buy certain cards, Don Drooker who is out here in Arizona, is an expert on cards/value/trading and Todd and I can vouch for his reliability and honesty. If you need/want his information PM me or ask Todd or tell us you want to meet him if you are out for First Pitch, LABR, or spring training.

PVH

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:31 pm

Not sure what "cat" my esteemed partner is referring to..Anyways, we considered just about every position with this pick but settled on a 30/30 man at a position where it's only happened twice. I give you....

David Wright 2007

113r 30hr 107rbi 34sb .325ba (604/196)

http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Wright/Wright_bio.html

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:32 pm

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ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:45 pm

update coming...

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CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:47 pm

Originally posted by ToddZ:

These standings don't have seven players for all teams.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:50 pm

sorry, didn't save the file so i was working with the old one -- will regenerate the new one

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:01 pm

Duke Snider (OF) 1953 season

.336 BA

132 R

42 HR's

126 RBI

16 SB's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Snider

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:05 pm

I just had a sad fantasy moment. I decided I was cooked in four categories. It was like I was watching the movie NO WAY OUT.

The best I can hope for is Dan slipped me a better player in the blind round.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:11 pm

through 9.02

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The Fool on the Hill · Post by **The Fool on the Hill** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:21 pm

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

I just had a sad fantasy moment. I decided I was cooked in four categories. It was like I was watching the movie NO WAY OUT.

The best I can hope for is Dan slipped me a better player in the blind round. Haha.... you're not gonna be satisfied with merely winning this? Must totally destroy all competition in every category?????

If I was betting, you're still the man to beat IMHO, but I'll give it my best shot!

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:12 pm

Originally posted by The Fool on the Hill:

If I was betting, you're still the man to beat IMHO, but I'll give it my best shot! walsh owner + very good fantasy owner = payday

Asumijet · Post by **Asumijet** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:16 am

Howie Camnitz (P)- 1909

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:43 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Fool on the Hill:

If I was betting, you're still the man to beat IMHO, but I'll give it my best shot! walsh owner + very good fantasy owner = payday [/QUOTE]After seeing the draft unfold, Ed Walsh really gives you only one edge (wins). Other teams will match my team in ERA and whip.

With the right plan, I would have had a better shot to win. I think my decision in round three cost me a chance at winning this league. I thought about the right path, but I didn't take that route.

The offensive inventory is so deep you can only make small gains which are minimal points in the overall standings.

When everyone's roster equals out, I can't see my team have more than 30 offensive points and it's too late to change gears.

I can be solid in wins and K's. I can see already saves are going to be tough based on the direction some teams have taken. I think just like a real league; the more innings I add chasing wins and K's will cost me in ERA and whip. So based on what I'm seeing and the flow of the draft, my team is going to fall short unless I'm strong in two more categories.

There's a lot of draft left, but it's not like I can hit on a player with upside. The inventory is what it is.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:48 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Fool on the Hill:

If I was betting, you're still the man to beat IMHO, but I'll give it my best shot! walsh owner + very good fantasy owner = payday [/QUOTE]After seeing the draft unfold, Ed Walsh really gives you only one edge (wins). Other teams will match my team in ERA and whip.

With the right plan, I would have had a better shot to win. I think my decision in round three cost me a chance at winning this league. I thought about the right path, but I didn't take that route.

The offensive inventory is so deep you can only make small gains which are minimal points in the overall standings.

When everyone's roster equals out, I can't see my team have more than 30 offensive points and it's too late to change gears.

I can be solid in wins and K's. I can see already saves are going to be tough based on the direction some teams have taken. I think just like a real league; the more innings I add chasing wins and K's will cost me in ERA and whip. So based on what I'm seeing and the flow of the draft, my team is going to fall short unless I'm strong in two more categories.

There's a lot of draft left, but it's not like I can hit on a player with upside. The inventory is what it is. [/QUOTE]Wanna trade teams?

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:50 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Fool on the Hill:

If I was betting, you're still the man to beat IMHO, but I'll give it my best shot! walsh owner + very good fantasy owner = payday [/QUOTE]After seeing the draft unfold, Ed Walsh really gives you only one edge (wins). Other teams will match my team in ERA and whip.

With the right plan, I would have had a better shot to win. I think my decision in round three cost me a chance at winning this league. I thought about the right path, but I didn't take that route.

The offensive inventory is so deep you can only make small gains which are minimal points in the overall standings.

When everyone's roster equals out, I can't see my team have more than 30 offensive points and it's too late to change gears.

I can be solid in wins and K's. I can see already saves are going to be tough based on the direction some teams have taken. I think just like a real league; the more innings I add chasing wins and K's will cost me in ERA and whip. So based on what I'm seeing and the flow of the draft, my team is going to fall short unless I'm strong in two more categories.

There's a lot of draft left, but it's not like I can hit on a player with upside. The inventory is what it is. [/QUOTE]Very good points and interesting analysis. I still don't think you're giving your offense enough credit though, as I can see your team much closer to 40 than 30 on that side.

Ironically, I also see the 2/3 turn as a missed opportunity on our end. I thought that the truly elite OF/1B options would come off the board sooner than they have. Had I chosen to focus more on scarcity there, I may like how we're set up better. Though the pick in that instance easily could've been Pudge, and you're saying that pick might've cost you winning the league. So maybe we are better off with what we currently have

I can also see saves turning into a dogfight the way that many teams are currently positioned.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:11 am

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Fool on the Hill:

If I was betting, you're still the man to beat IMHO, but I'll give it my best shot! walsh owner + very good fantasy owner = payday [/QUOTE]After seeing the draft unfold, Ed Walsh really gives you only one edge (wins). Other teams will match my team in ERA and whip.

With the right plan, I would have had a better shot to win. I think my decision in round three cost me a chance at winning this league. I thought about the right path, but I didn't take that route.

The offensive inventory is so deep you can only make small gains which are minimal points in the overall standings.

When everyone's roster equals out, I can't see my team have more than 30 offensive points and it's too late to change gears.

I can be solid in wins and K's. I can see already saves are going to be tough based on the direction some teams have taken. I think just like a real league; the more innings I add chasing wins and K's will cost me in ERA and whip. So based on what I'm seeing and the flow of the draft, my team is going to fall short unless I'm strong in two more categories.

There's a lot of draft left, but it's not like I can hit on a player with upside. The inventory is what it is. [/QUOTE]Wanna trade teams?

[/QUOTE]Offensively, your average player is .325/120/50/125/13 compared to mine .335/132/38/120/13.....it's really close, but I think you have a wider window to add players to help in certain categories.

The Fool on the Hill · Post by **The Fool on the Hill** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:22 am

[/qb][/QUOTE]After seeing the draft unfold, Ed Walsh really gives you only one edge (wins). Other teams will match my team in ERA and whip.

With the right plan, I would have had a better shot to win. I think my decision in round three cost me a chance at winning this league. I thought about the right path, but I didn't take that route.

The offensive inventory is so deep you can only make small gains which are minimal points in the overall standings.

When everyone's roster equals out, I can't see my team have more than 30 offensive points and it's too late to change gears.

I can be solid in wins and K's. I can see already saves are going to be tough based on the direction some teams have taken. I think just like a real league; the more innings I add chasing wins and K's will cost me in ERA and whip. So based on what I'm seeing and the flow of the draft, my team is going to fall short unless I'm strong in two more categories.

There's a lot of draft left, but it's not like I can hit on a player with upside. The inventory is what it is. [/QB][/quote]

Yep, just no help at all from that 464

innings of 1.42 ERA, 0.86 Whip, 269 k's and a bonus 6 saves. :rolleyes:

You could probably add Jose Lima 2000 and still have good enough pitching numbers to beat almost everybody. We've only picked about 40 of the 135 needed pitchers, and everybody's ERA and WHIP are going to go up. Everybody now has to choose which category is sacrificed with each new pitcher- ERA, WHIP, K's, Wins... pick your poison, something has to go. At least we will be hearing some new names to stoke our knowledge of baseball history.... like Howie Camnitz!! Who's that???

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:31 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

Very good points and interesting analysis. I still don't think you're giving your offense enough credit though, as I can see your team much closer to 40 than 30 on that side.

Ironically, I also see the 2/3 turn as a missed opportunity on our end. I thought that the truly elite OF/1B options would come off the board sooner than they have. Had I chosen to focus more on scarcity there, I may like how we're set up better. Though the pick in that instance easily could've been Pudge, and you're saying that pick might've cost you winning the league. So maybe we are better off with what we currently have

I can also see saves turning into a dogfight the way that many teams are currently positioned. I also feel like I made an error in judgement, starting with my very first pick. When choosing between Chesbro and Alexander, I bet that the high wins & K pitchers would be the first to go. Obviously that hasn't been the case as the low ERA & WHIP pitchers have been valued much higher. I knew I was in trouble when I saw Gibson taken in the 1st round and the low WHIP version of Pedro taken in the 2nd in lieu of the higher W & K version. To see 30 win pitchers still out there while 10 win pitchers with ERA's in the mid-1.00's are going like hotcakes, just confirms my bad call.

I compounded my dilemma in the 2nd round with the Bonds pick as I thought the extreme power hitters would be valued a bit higher than the low power, high avg types. Though I give myself a bit more of a pass there as in my opinion Bonds was by far the best value at the time.

Ahhhh well, there's always the next draft.

G@mblor · Post by **G@mblor** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:39 am

Originally posted by The Fool on the Hill:

After seeing the draft unfold, Ed Walsh really gives you only one edge (wins). Other teams will match my team in ERA and whip.

With the right plan, I would have had a better shot to win. I think my decision in round three cost me a chance at winning this league. I thought about the right path, but I didn't take that route.

The offensive inventory is so deep you can only make small gains which are minimal points in the overall standings.

When everyone's roster equals out, I can't see my team have more than 30 offensive points and it's too late to change gears.

I can be solid in wins and K's. I can see already saves are going to be tough based on the direction some teams have taken. I think just like a real league; the more innings I add chasing wins and K's will cost me in ERA and whip. So based on what I'm seeing and the flow of the draft, my team is going to fall short unless I'm strong in two more categories.

There's a lot of draft left, but it's not like I can hit on a player with upside. The inventory is what it is. [/QB][/quote]

Yep, just no help at all from that 464

innings of 1.42 ERA, 0.86 Whip, 269 k's and a bonus 6 saves. :rolleyes:

You could probably add Jose Lima 2000 and still have good enough pitching numbers to beat almost everybody. We've only picked about 40 of the 135 needed pitchers, and everybody's ERA and WHIP are going to go up. Everybody now has to choose which category is sacrificed with each new pitcher- ERA, WHIP, K's, Wins... pick your poison, something has to go. At least we will be hearing some new names to stoke our knowledge of baseball history.... like Howie Camnitz!! Who's that??? [/QB][/quote]

With so many closers yet to be taken and some teams clearly favoring ratios over ks or wins I would still expect some current ratios to go down. This could end up as a race to the bottom in pitching. Of course a smart drafter would just pound wins and ks now if that becomes the case

The Fool on the Hill · Post by **The Fool on the Hill** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:53 am

Well, I really don't think there are that many closers that will help ratios all that much. The IP w/ 1500+ required is a relatively small %. And, surprisingly, I see few "big save" closers remaining that even HAD good ratios. The useable dead ball pitchers w/ ERA's of under 1.50 are just about gone too. I wish I could be as sure of the stock market going up as I am about our ERA's and WHIPs.

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:10 am

With some at the front saying they don’t like their teams and those at the back thinking they are at a competitive disadvantage due to draft structure……. I’m starting to like my chances.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:23 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Fool on the Hill:

If I was betting, you're still the man to beat IMHO, but I'll give it my best shot! walsh owner + very good fantasy owner = payday [/QUOTE]After seeing the draft unfold, Ed Walsh really gives you only one edge (wins). Other teams will match my team in ERA and whip.

With the right plan, I would have had a better shot to win. I think my decision in round three cost me a chance at winning this league. I thought about the right path, but I didn't take that route.

The offensive inventory is so deep you can only make small gains which are minimal points in the overall standings.

When everyone's roster equals out, I can't see my team have more than 30 offensive points and it's too late to change gears.

I can be solid in wins and K's. I can see already saves are going to be tough based on the direction some teams have taken. I think just like a real league; the more innings I add chasing wins and K's will cost me in ERA and whip. So based on what I'm seeing and the flow of the draft, my team is going to fall short unless I'm strong in two more categories.

There's a lot of draft left, but it's not like I can hit on a player with upside. The inventory is what it is. [/QUOTE]Wanna trade teams?

[/QUOTE]Offensively, your average player is .325/120/50/125/13 compared to mine .335/132/38/120/13.....it's really close, but I think you have a wider window to add players to help in certain categories. [/QUOTE]Maybe so, but I believe you have a huge pitching edge on me and that trumps any advantage of a wider window to improve offensively.

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:36 am

Brian is on the clock, Ryan on deck, Glenn in the hole!

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:39 am

listen - no one is going to win this with 120 points. the winner will likely be in the 90's or low 100's.

no one really likes their team, because no one will dominate, no matter how smart you are.

having walsh and a couple others is a monster advantage. could it be overcome? doubtful. as my buddy texted me, most of us (non Walsh/Johnson/Mathewson/Alexander owners) are just arranging deck chairs on the titanic.

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