Hey Greg

[Chest Rockwell]

I liked how you handled the team last year in the main event that did not draft a correct roster. If I remember correct you penalized him some FAAB, took away his 30th player, and gave him a scrub.



If I have that correct- how about adding something in the official rules so there is no gray area there?

[King of Queens]

Thanks for reminding us about this, Kent. Here's the thread that breaks it down:



nfbcboards.stats.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000537#000006



Last year, an owner in Las Vegas 1 failed to draft a corner infielder. The problem was discovered almost a week after the main event. Originally, the team owner was going to be given a starting player (Scott Hatteberg) to make his lineup legal. Ultimately, the owner was given a retired player (Phil Nevin) to replace his 30th player drafted. No FAAB penalty was assessed.



Catching a problem immediately after the draft is one thing. Finding out a few days or even a week later and potentially allowing that team their choice of replacement is a completely different matter. Remember -- not everyone is in "fact checking mode" immediately after the main event!



[ January 21, 2008, 07:54 PM: Message edited by: King of Queens ]

[King of Queens]

By the way, here was Greg's post on this subject from last March. Seems like a very fair way of handling things rather than having people pick a replacement for themselves:



Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Next year we'll just have to set up the rule that states what happens if you draft an illegal team and circumvent all of your conspiracy theories by assigning the lowest ranked player at that position on KP's draft sheets for the unfulfilled position. That seems like the easiest solution.

[Vander]

BTW what do we do if a team drafts a lineup that is not legal. It happened in my league last year. I told the draft guys that the player was not eligable at that position on draft day and nothing was done. They just let it go. What should be done?

[Chest Rockwell]

Originally posted by King of Queens:

By the way, here was Greg's post on this subject from last March. Seems like a very fair way of handling things rather than having people pick a replacement for themselves:



quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Next year we'll just have to set up the rule that states what happens if you draft an illegal team and circumvent all of your conspiracy theories by assigning the lowest ranked player at that position on KP's draft sheets for the unfulfilled position. That seems like the easiest solution. [/QUOTE]the point of my post was not to suggest an even harsher penalty than that- but I think it merits some thought. It is clearly our responsibility to draft a valid team- if you do not it should sting a bit. Either way I will support whatever Greg says but I think he already agreed last year it should be in the rules so I am just reminding.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Thanks for reminding us about this, Kent. Here's the thread that breaks it down:



nfbcboards.stats.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000537#000006



Last year, an owner in Las Vegas 1 failed to draft a corner infielder. The problem was discovered almost a week after the main event. Originally, the team owner was going to be given a starting player (Scott Hatteberg) to make his lineup legal. Ultimately, the owner was given a retired player (Phil Nevin) to replace his 30th player drafted. No FAAB penalty was assessed.



Catching a problem immediately after the draft is one thing. Finding out a few days or even a week later and potentially allowing that team their choice of replacement is a completely different matter. Remember -- not everyone is in "fact checking mode" immediately after the main event! Yes, good catch Kent and Glenn. I did not add this to the rules, but I will now. Human errors do occur on Draft Day regarding position eligibilities and we know that not all of our facilitators are aware of position eligibilities of the final picks. Plus the stickers don't always have the exact same position eligibility as the NFBC does, so errors can occur. We need to have a rule in place to deal with that, even if the owner didn't mean to make that mistake.



Here's what we will add to 6. Position Eligibility:



If an NFBC owner has an invalid lineup heading into Opening Day because of a mistake made on Draft Day (for example, he/she thought they drafted a middle infielder but that player only qualifies at third base and not second base as previously thought), then the NFBC will give that owner the lowest ranked player at that position to make that team's lineup legal. The owner in question can then replace that player with another player at the first available FAAB period after the mistake was discovered. Even if there was confusion at the draft on the eligibility of the player in question (the sticker had him eligible at the other position or the draft facilitator told you he was eligible there), there will be no "free move" to correct the error as all final decisions will be made according to the NFBC eligibility lists.

[King of Queens]

Thanks, Greg. With this amendment, I would anticipate zero problems going forward.

[Richie]

Greg, if you give a guy the lowest rated player at the needed position, then he will have an extra guy on his team. So I assume there will also be a player dropped. I think you should state the rule as to who will be droppd. My suggestion would be the last player taken, usually the 30th pick. I can see a problem in that a guy took Braun last year with his last pick and he loves him. He may want to drop someone else but I dont think he should be rewarded with a choice of drop.

[King of Queens]

Originally posted by Richie:

Greg, if you give a guy the lowest rated player at the needed position, then he will have an extra guy on his team. So I assume there will also be a player dropped. I think you should state the rule as to who will be droppd. My suggestion would be the last player taken, usually the 30th pick. I can see a problem in that a guy took Braun last year with his last pick and he loves him. He may want to drop someone else but I dont think he should be rewarded with a choice of drop. This is what has always been done, but yes, an official "clarification" would be nice.

[Plymouth]

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

Thanks for reminding us about this, Kent. Here's the thread that breaks it down:



nfbcboards.stats.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000537#000006



Last year, an owner in Las Vegas 1 failed to draft a corner infielder. The problem was discovered almost a week after the main event. Originally, the team owner was going to be given a starting player (Scott Hatteberg) to make his lineup legal. Ultimately, the owner was given a retired player (Phil Nevin) to replace his 30th player drafted. No FAAB penalty was assessed.



Catching a problem immediately after the draft is one thing. Finding out a few days or even a week later and potentially allowing that team their choice of replacement is a completely different matter. Remember -- not everyone is in "fact checking mode" immediately after the main event! Yes, good catch Kent and Glenn. I did not add this to the rules, but I will now. Human errors do occur on Draft Day regarding position eligibilities and we know that not all of our facilitators are aware of position eligibilities of the final picks. Plus the stickers don't always have the exact same position eligibility as the NFBC does, so errors can occur. We need to have a rule in place to deal with that, even if the owner didn't mean to make that mistake.



Here's what we will add to 6. Position Eligibility:



If an NFBC owner has an invalid lineup heading into Opening Day because of a mistake made on Draft Day (for example, he/she thought they drafted a middle infielder but that player only qualifies at third base and not second base as previously thought), then the NFBC will give that owner the lowest ranked player at that position to make that team's lineup legal. The owner in question can then replace that player with another player at the first available FAAB period after the mistake was discovered. Even if there was confusion at the draft on the eligibility of the player in question (the sticker had him eligible at the other position or the draft facilitator told you he was eligible there), there will be no "free move" to correct the error as all final decisions will be made according to the NFBC eligibility lists. [/QUOTE]Greg, A clarification on what you mean when you say "lowest rated player at that position". If the position in question is a middle infield, what is the lowest rated position player? 2B or SS, or will you pick the lowest rated player between the two and how do you determine lowest rated at that point? Same goes for corner I guess. Not that it probably makes a hill of beans but it might be open to disagreement.

[Atlas]

Originally posted by Richie:

Greg, if you give a guy the lowest rated player at the needed position, then he will have an extra guy on his team. So I assume there will also be a player dropped. I think you should state the rule as to who will be droppd. My suggestion would be the last player taken, usually the 30th pick. I can see a problem in that a guy took Braun last year with his last pick and he loves him. He may want to drop someone else but I dont think he should be rewarded with a choice of drop. The other problem you might run into applying this is if removing the "30th player" also puts his lineup in jeopardy...ie., he used the last pick for his 2nd catcher...or CI, or whatever.



Not likely, but possible.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by Richie:

Greg, if you give a guy the lowest rated player at the needed position, then he will have an extra guy on his team. So I assume there will also be a player dropped. I think you should state the rule as to who will be droppd. My suggestion would be the last player taken, usually the 30th pick. I can see a problem in that a guy took Braun last year with his last pick and he loves him. He may want to drop someone else but I dont think he should be rewarded with a choice of drop. Yes indeed. Good point. His last pick would need to be dropped no matter who it is as that last pick should have been used to make his lineup legal. If that pick becomes another pick that makes his lineup illegal, then we'll remove the 29th round pick too. Everyone has to make their lineup legal by their final pick and thus we'll go from the bottom up with no exceptions allowed.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Here's what we will add to 6. Position Eligibility:



If an NFBC owner has an invalid lineup heading into Opening Day because of a mistake made on Draft Day (for example, he/she thought they drafted a middle infielder but that player only qualifies at third base and not second base as previously thought), then the NFBC will give that owner the lowest ranked player at that position to make that team's lineup legal. The NFBC will determine the player to be added to make this lineup legal and the player that was selected in the 30th round will be dropped to add the new player. There will be no FAAB charge for this change. The owner in question can then replace that player with another player at the first available FAAB period after the mistake was discovered. Even if there was confusion at the draft on the eligibility of the player in question (i.e.: the sticker had him eligible at the other position or the draft facilitator told you he was eligible there), there will be no "free move" to correct the error as all final decisions will be made according to the NFBC eligibility lists.

[Richie]

Perfection!!!



I cant see any questioon about this now