Rules Interpretation

Atlas · Post by **Atlas** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:02 am

I know there has been a back and forth regarding what exactly the protocol is/will be if someone doesn't properly fill out his draft roster.

However something happened in a satellite last night that might require clarification.

If, at the end of the draft, it is determined that a roster has been insufficiently filled, the lowest possible draft pick is dropped and replaced with the lowest possible player in the pool. I think that much is clear.

Now...what happens to the player dropped off the roster in terms of free agency? That is, if he's returned to his MLB's team AAA team before opening day, is he considered a viable free agent because he was drafted?

Or do we have to wait for him to be recalled at some point in the season to be eligible?

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:15 am

Great question. My first instinct is that the 30th player should be treated as if he was never drafted, but I could see a problem with that as well.

Atlas · Post by **Atlas** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:19 am

But it probably won't be the 30th player in this instance.

So you can make a case that everyone should have had another one or two shots at him.

[ February 28, 2008, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: Atlas ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:55 am

He would be treated as if he wasn't drafted because he wasn't. Everyone would then have a fair shot at him in FAAB once he returned from the minors to the majors.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:22 am

May I suggest a 2-minute pause before the last round so that facilitators can make sure all rosters are compliant.

Then, those few owners that have a problem won't get themselves into trouble later.

Kinda like a $ check in auction leagues.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:32 am

Originally posted by UFS:

May I suggest a 2-minute pause before the last round so that facilitators can make sure all rosters are compliant.

Then, those few owners that have a problem won't get themselves into trouble later.

Kinda like a $ check in auction leagues. I think you've seen how the last round goes as everyone heads for the bar and packs up, etc. We'll do what we can but the owner will only suffer the consequences by not being diligent. We'll also do the best we can on the spot, but errors will occur as we all know.

Atlas · Post by **Atlas** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:35 am

Originally posted by UFS:

May I suggest a 2-minute pause before the last round so that facilitators can make sure all rosters are compliant.

Then, those few owners that have a problem won't get themselves into trouble later.

Kinda like a $ check in auction leagues. Which is not a bad idea.....but if what I think happened actually happened, it could not have been fixed by drafting differently in the 30th round. You would have had to go back to the 29th round to fix it.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:43 am

Originally posted by Atlas:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

May I suggest a 2-minute pause before the last round so that facilitators can make sure all rosters are compliant.

Then, those few owners that have a problem won't get themselves into trouble later.

Kinda like a $ check in auction leagues. Which is not a bad idea.....but if what I think happened actually happened, it could not have been fixed by drafting differently in the 30th round. You would have had to go back to the 29th round to fix it. [/QUOTE]That's why you do this before the last round. You could fix this problem right then and there.

Contact Tom/Greg/etc at that moment and fix the problem in the best way possible.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:52 am

It is my understanding of the Draft Day Roster Compliance rule that if a team drafts their 2nd catcher in Rd 30, their MI in Rd 29, and their CM in Rd 28, but only have 8 pitchers (they took 12 outfielders, with OF#12 in Rd 27), then the player that is waived to get that 9th pitcher is their Rd 27 OF.

Greg, is this correct?

BigHurt · Post by **BigHurt** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:49 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

It is my understanding of the Draft Day Roster Compliance rule that if a team drafts their 2nd catcher in Rd 30, their MI in Rd 29, and their CM in Rd 28, but only have 8 pitchers (they took 12 outfielders, with OF#12 in Rd 27), then the player that is waived to get that 9th pitcher is their Rd 27 OF.

But a pre-30th round pause would show the discrepancy. This team would still have to draft a C/P in the 30th, but at least this would allow all other teams a chance to draft the guy who was OF#12 instead of him being classified as undrafted. Then the offending team could select a P/C following the 30th round or just be given the highest ranked guy.

[ February 28, 2008, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: BigHurt ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:55 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

It is my understanding of the Draft Day Roster Compliance rule that if a team drafts their 2nd catcher in Rd 30, their MI in Rd 29, and their CM in Rd 28, but only have 8 pitchers (they took 12 outfielders, with OF#12 in Rd 27), then the player that is waived to get that 9th pitcher is their Rd 27 OF.

Greg, is this correct? I guess, but we sure as hell better be able to count 9 yellow pitcher stickers or we're in trouble.

Seriously, the position eligibility problems likely will occur if the stickers don't match our NFBC eligibility lists. Nothing against the stickers, but my rulings might be different on certain players than other leagues. So when you look at the board you see three middle infielders and think the team is legal and when you get back home you find out the blue sticker didn't actually qualify at MI. Then you have to adjust that final pick to make things fit. If the last three picks were all needed to secure a legal lineup, yeah, then the last "extra" player would have to be cut.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:57 pm

Originally posted by BigHurt:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

It is my understanding of the Draft Day Roster Compliance rule that if a team drafts their 2nd catcher in Rd 30, their MI in Rd 29, and their CM in Rd 28, but only have 8 pitchers (they took 12 outfielders, with OF#12 in Rd 27), then the player that is waived to get that 9th pitcher is their Rd 27 OF.

But a pre-30th round pause would show the discrepancy. This team would still have to draft a C/P in the 30th, but at least this would allow all other teams a chance to draft the guy who was OF#12 instead of him being classified as undrafted. Then the offending team could select a P/C following the 30th round or just be given the highest ranked guy. [/QUOTE]In this case, I just KNOW that one of the 14 other owners in this league who saw 12 green outfielder stickers would be watching the legality of this roster before Round 30 or hopefully so would one of our KP facilitators. Anything can happen, but this team would definitely stand out.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:20 am

Originally posted by BigHurt:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

It is my understanding of the Draft Day Roster Compliance rule that if a team drafts their 2nd catcher in Rd 30, their MI in Rd 29, and their CM in Rd 28, but only have 8 pitchers (they took 12 outfielders, with OF#12 in Rd 27), then the player that is waived to get that 9th pitcher is their Rd 27 OF.

But a pre-30th round pause would show the discrepancy. This team would still have to draft a C/P in the 30th, but at least this would allow all other teams a chance to draft the guy who was OF#12 instead of him being classified as undrafted. Then the offending team could select a P/C following the 30th round or just be given the highest ranked guy. [/QUOTE]Your solution gives an unfair advantage to the first guy drafting after the player comes back in the pool.

viper · Post by **viper** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:10 pm

We are essentially talking about a 30th round player aren't we? Even the deepest sleeper would probably be drafted by then for fear of losing him after your 29th round selection.