X. Nady

Raiders · Post by **Raiders** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:43 am

Wasn't David Robertson brought up to take Nady's spot on the roster and he pitched two innings yesterday. How could Nady not been on the DL. This makes no sense.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:47 am

Originally posted by Raiders:

Wasn't David Robertson brought up to take Nady's spot on the roster and he pitched two innings yesterday. How could Nady not been on the DL. This makes no sense. i agree john, something seems out of whack.

bill

Top Dawg · Post by **Top Dawg** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:48 am

if nady's DL designation was a STATS mistake, it should be corrected. however, it appears that DL designations for other players were made fine.

if STATS didn't have the info by midnight, blame the Yankees, not greg and STATS. [/QB][/quote]

Mark - What you are saying is fair. I question why the other sites that run leagues, like CBS Sportsline, had him on the DL for their leagues and not Stats. I doubt someone at CBS Sportsline flipped that trigger yesterday just "guessing" the Yankees made the move. I am commish of that league and the move was allowed for that owner because the "DL" was assigned to Nady's name mid-afternoon yesterday. How does one or more leagues get this data and not Stats? Maybe the Stats guy was asleep at the wheel or on sick leave/vacation day, had to leave early to get the kids off the bus...

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:48 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Just taking this opportunity to promote this idea.

Monday roster moves for all players, Friday roster moves for any position players. Elimination of the dl rule and no manipulation with pitchers starts.

Carry on. And you think THAT would solve this problem??? Oh boy. Some folks can't log onto the NFBC site from work and would miss last minute lineup changes or injuries or whatever on Friday and lose valuable weekend stats because of this BS NFBC Friday rule. Are you kidding me Dan? If you think Kenny's language is bad on this post, wait until we allow twice-a-week moves and not everyone got a chance to make them.

Pleeeeeeeeeease push another agenda. [/QUOTE]I am not trying to solve this problem. The dl rule has been manipulated and crowed about since its inception.

Giving everybody a chance to move position players on Friday would eliminate the need for the dl rule. As far as not everybody not having a chance to change their lineups, how would it be any different from changing the lineups on Monday?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:52 am

Originally posted by Bama:

Nady was placed on DL thur morning retroactive to wed. Mark how the hell you can say he's not on dl is bullshit. You the favored child here so you contacted someone at stats to make sure they didnt put the dl designation on nady or did someone else do the bribing. Kenny, I am having STATS look into this. If his replacement did pitch yesterday then Nady had to be on the DL. I have told STATS to look into this and if we have to correct a mistake we will. Let me get to the bottom of this and in the meantime go back to work. I think we've heard everyone's point on this situation and the bottom line is if he was officially on the DL by midnight last night or not. THAT'S the rule and one we will abide by.

And if it is a STATS error, we will e-mail everyone in the contest and get this rectified.

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:58 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Bama:

Nady was placed on DL thur morning retroactive to wed. Mark how the hell you can say he's not on dl is bullshit. You the favored child here so you contacted someone at stats to make sure they didnt put the dl designation on nady or did someone else do the bribing. Kenny, I am having STATS look into this. If his replacement did pitch yesterday then Nady had to be on the DL. I have told STATS to look into this and if we have to correct a mistake we will. Let me get to the bottom of this and in the meantime go back to work. I think we've heard everyone's point on this situation and the bottom line is if he was officially on the DL by midnight last night or not. THAT'S the rule and one we will abide by.

And if it is a STATS error, we will e-mail everyone in the contest and get this rectified. [/QUOTE]I hate to add this, but.....

like you said, not everyone has internet options during the day. The Yankees play a 1pm EST game. If you make the change now, folks that checked this morning per the rules might get "hurt" by changed Nady to DL

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:59 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Just taking this opportunity to promote this idea.

Monday roster moves for all players, Friday roster moves for any position players. Elimination of the dl rule and no manipulation with pitchers starts.

Carry on. And you think THAT would solve this problem??? Oh boy. Some folks can't log onto the NFBC site from work and would miss last minute lineup changes or injuries or whatever on Friday and lose valuable weekend stats because of this BS NFBC Friday rule. Are you kidding me Dan? If you think Kenny's language is bad on this post, wait until we allow twice-a-week moves and not everyone got a chance to make them.

Pleeeeeeeeeease push another agenda. [/QUOTE]I am not trying to solve this problem. The dl rule has been manipulated and crowed about since its inception.

Giving everybody a chance to move position players on Friday would eliminate the need for the dl rule. As far as not everybody not having a chance to change their lineups, how would it be any different from changing the lineups on Monday? [/QUOTE]What's the manipulation of the DL rule that has decided any league title so far? I don't remember reading that one in Tom's writeups. That somebody reserved a player when he pitched in Colorado on Monday and started a DL pitcher, only to replace him on Friday so he could get the second start? I remember that strategy the first year and I believe the posters' player got the win and pitched well in Colorado.

Your suggestion is twice-weekly moves. Why not three times a week or daily then?

The difference is that most games are done on Sunday afternoon and very little news will change between Sunday and Monday's games. Folks have home access to set their lineups on Sunday.

I didn't mean to argue with you, but this whole thread is too interesting not to argue with someone.

Bottom line is that if Nady was on the DL by Friday morning we need to get him designated in our game and if he wasn't then it's MLB's fault, not the stupid DL rules' fault. But again, I'll make amends if we were in any way at fault in this.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:01 am

Originally posted by rucrew2:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Bama:

Nady was placed on DL thur morning retroactive to wed. Mark how the hell you can say he's not on dl is bullshit. You the favored child here so you contacted someone at stats to make sure they didnt put the dl designation on nady or did someone else do the bribing. Kenny, I am having STATS look into this. If his replacement did pitch yesterday then Nady had to be on the DL. I have told STATS to look into this and if we have to correct a mistake we will. Let me get to the bottom of this and in the meantime go back to work. I think we've heard everyone's point on this situation and the bottom line is if he was officially on the DL by midnight last night or not. THAT'S the rule and one we will abide by.

And if it is a STATS error, we will e-mail everyone in the contest and get this rectified. [/QUOTE]I hate to add this, but.....

like you said, not everyone has internet options during the day. The Yankees play a 1pm EST game. If you make the change now, folks that checked this morning per the rules might get "hurt" by changed Nady to DL [/QUOTE]We'll do our best to deal with this via e-mail. Yes, I understand that and I'll try to make this right for everyone but I'm disappointed if the error was on our end and will do the right thing if that's the case. I'm not saying it is, but I sure as hell will find out.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:10 am

Greg,

Follow-up question…

Suppose the following situation:

A minor league player is called up to the major league team on Saturday.

The player played in a major league game on Saturday.

STATS had a glitch and didn’t get him added to the free agent pool by the Sunday morning deadline.

Numerous posters/e-mailers voiced concern at 10am on Sunday that the player wasn’t added to the free agent pool, would you then (because of a STATS error) add him to the pool AFTER the Sunday morning deadline?

What time is happy hour 2day?

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:14 am

GG

happy hour starts at 9CT on friday in "calipariville"

bill

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:16 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

Greg,

Follow-up question…

Suppose the following situation:

A minor league player is called up to the major league team on Saturday.

The player played in a major league game on Saturday.

STATS had a glitch and didn’t get him added to the free agent pool by the Sunday morning deadline.

Numerous posters/e-mailers voiced concern at 10am on Sunday that the player wasn’t added to the free agent pool, would you then (because of a STATS error) add him to the pool AFTER the Sunday morning deadline?

What time is happy hour 2day? If he played on Saturday?? Of course. That would be a terrible error on STATS' part. Yes, I definitely would get that player added. We'd have to send out a mass e-mail and doing that on Sunday without the full IT department in the office would be tough, but Tom and I could do it from our lists. It would be suck, but according to our rules that player should have been in the free agent list and I'd add him.

Of course, I'd be answering 50+ e-mails from 8 o'clock mass, but that's why I get paid the big bucks, I guess.

We are experiencing our first 70 degree day of the year. Happy hour was already set for noon with or without Xavier Nady.

Bama · Post by **Bama** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:17 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

Greg,

Follow-up question…

Suppose the following situation:

A minor league player is called up to the major league team on Saturday.

The player played in a major league game on Saturday.

STATS had a glitch and didn’t get him added to the free agent pool by the Sunday morning deadline.

Numerous posters/e-mailers voiced concern at 10am on Sunday that the player wasn’t added to the free agent pool, would you then (because of a STATS error) add him to the pool AFTER the Sunday morning deadline?

What time is happy hour 2day? Totally different situation as every person would have equal opportunity to get that player no matter when he was added to fa list as to allowing some dl'd players to be removed from rosters while others players on dl are not.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:17 am

Marauders · Post by **Marauders** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:21 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

Greg,

Follow-up question…

Suppose the following situation:

A minor league player is called up to the major league team on Saturday.

The player played in a major league game on Saturday.

STATS had a glitch and didn’t get him added to the free agent pool by the Sunday morning deadline.

Numerous posters/e-mailers voiced concern at 10am on Sunday that the player wasn’t added to the free agent pool, would you then (because of a STATS error) add him to the pool AFTER the Sunday morning deadline?

What time is happy hour 2day? What if the reverse of that happens ie: Milledge? He got sent down this week, shouldn't I have the option of replacing him in my lineup for the weekend? He isn't on the Nationals roster anymore.

Bama · Post by **Bama** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:25 am

Originally posted by Marauders:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

Greg,

Follow-up question…

Suppose the following situation:

A minor league player is called up to the major league team on Saturday.

The player played in a major league game on Saturday.

STATS had a glitch and didn’t get him added to the free agent pool by the Sunday morning deadline.

Numerous posters/e-mailers voiced concern at 10am on Sunday that the player wasn’t added to the free agent pool, would you then (because of a STATS error) add him to the pool AFTER the Sunday morning deadline?

What time is happy hour 2day? What if the reverse of that happens ie: Milledge? He got sent down this week, shouldn't I have the option of replacing him in my lineup for the weekend? He isn't on the Nationals roster anymore.

[/QUOTE]Getting to replace a guy because he sucks,wow. now that would be worse than this bs fri dl rule.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:30 am

Originally posted by Bama:

quote:Originally posted by Marauders:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

Greg,

Follow-up question…

Suppose the following situation:

A minor league player is called up to the major league team on Saturday.

The player played in a major league game on Saturday.

STATS had a glitch and didn’t get him added to the free agent pool by the Sunday morning deadline.

Numerous posters/e-mailers voiced concern at 10am on Sunday that the player wasn’t added to the free agent pool, would you then (because of a STATS error) add him to the pool AFTER the Sunday morning deadline?

What time is happy hour 2day? What if the reverse of that happens ie: Milledge? He got sent down this week, shouldn't I have the option of replacing him in my lineup for the weekend? He isn't on the Nationals roster anymore.

[/QUOTE]Getting to replace a guy because he sucks,wow. now that would be worse than this bs fri dl rule. [/QUOTE]Kenny, this bs Friday DL rule is trying to help your BS team that suffered an injury this week. So for someone trashing this rule so much you sure want these three extra days of stats for your team.

And if Nady is on the DL like other players who were added this week, you will get them and then you can continue to trash the rule all you want.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:33 am

Originally posted by Marauders:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

Greg,

Follow-up question…

Suppose the following situation:

A minor league player is called up to the major league team on Saturday.

The player played in a major league game on Saturday.

STATS had a glitch and didn’t get him added to the free agent pool by the Sunday morning deadline.

Numerous posters/e-mailers voiced concern at 10am on Sunday that the player wasn’t added to the free agent pool, would you then (because of a STATS error) add him to the pool AFTER the Sunday morning deadline?

What time is happy hour 2day? What if the reverse of that happens ie: Milledge? He got sent down this week, shouldn't I have the option of replacing him in my lineup for the weekend? He isn't on the Nationals roster anymore.

[/QUOTE]I think the Nationals believe they are still in the pennant race and they want to get him squared away before the REALLY meaningful games come up.

Sorry, the NFBC can't protect your team from yourself (or from bad MLB management decisions like this one).

Bama · Post by **Bama** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:37 am

Ive been agaisnt this rule from day one whether i get to replace nady or not im still agaisnt the rule and dont like it.Dont think it is right for some teams to replace players during the week and not others. Once a week changes and if your player gets hurt tough **** . I have also said what Dan has that if you open it up for some then just let it be bi-weekly changes which is a better alternative than the dl rule, but i would prefer once a week changes, period.

[ April 17, 2009, 10:18 AM: Message edited by: Bama ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:40 am

Originally posted by Bama:

Ive been agaisnt this rule from day one whether i get to replace nady or not im still agaisnt the rule and dont like it.Dont think it is right for some teams to replace players during the week and not others. Once a week changes and if your player gets hurt tough **** . Since I know you well enough I can say that tough **** leagues aren't good enough for high-stakes money.

Taking as much luck out of the equation is the right move. Then the key is making sure the rules are enforced as written. That's what we're trying to do here.

You owe me a beer in September for swearing on my boards!!!

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:43 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Kenny, this bs Friday DL rule is trying to help your BS team checkmate

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:43 am

Okay, I'll put a post on a separate thread in General NFBC Discussion about this error. Nady will receive a DL designation very soon and we will send out an e-mail from STATS and one from us to let everyone know about this. We'll be available via phone and e-mail to help anyone who needs to have this move made for them. Nady will be locked once the Yankees start this afternoon's game, so make this move ASAP. The DL designation will be next to Nady shortly , if it's not already.

Look for a full report shortly, but make your moves now.

crazytown · Post by **crazytown** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:45 am

Is it possible that when a MLB team calls a player up from the minors the corresponding player that is being sent down or put on the DL does not have to be announced immediately?

Just wondering and maybe this is the case. It still however does not answer the question as to why other sites have Nady DL'ed as of yesterday.

Bama · Post by **Bama** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:47 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Bama:

Ive been agaisnt this rule from day one whether i get to replace nady or not im still agaisnt the rule and dont like it.Dont think it is right for some teams to replace players during the week and not others. Once a week changes and if your player gets hurt tough **** . Since I know you well enough I can say that tough **** leagues aren't good enough for high-stakes money.

Taking as much luck out of the equation is the right move. Then the key is making sure the rules are enforced as written. That's what we're trying to do here.

You owe me a beer in September for swearing on my boards!!!

[/QUOTE]Personally i think it adds more luck to the equation than it takes away and with the added manipulation of the pitchers that some use it should be done away with but looks as if we cannot agree on this at the moment and a corona in sep. is yours.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:48 am

Originally posted by crazytown.gov:

Is it possible that when a MLB team calls a player up from the minors the corresponding player that is being sent down or put on the DL does not have to be announced immediately?

Just wondering and maybe this is the case. It still however does not answer the question as to why other sites have Nady DL'ed as of yesterday. No, that's not the case. It's the way the Yankees filed this DL this week. STATS is looking into why this happened, but the Yankees did this differently for some reason.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:50 am

thanks greg, and everyone else for bringing this episode to greg's attention. i knew he'd get it right.

now my nady subs will go "ofer" all weekend and kill my BA.

bill

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