X. Nady

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:07 am

Originally posted by KentuckyReign:

thanks greg, and everyone else for bringing this episode to greg's attention. i knew he'd get it right.

now my nady subs will go "ofer" all weekend and kill my BA.

bill Yeah, that happens sometimes.

The intent of the rule is to take some luck out of the equation and to give owners a reason to make sure their reserve roster is as strong as possible. Some folks may have Nady starting this week but no replacement on their bench of value. That's their loss, twice. So while some folks love to bash this rule, it serves a purpose of negating the unfortunate early week injury and of making teams keep solid reserve rosters.

Good luck.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:12 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Just taking this opportunity to promote this idea.

Monday roster moves for all players, Friday roster moves for any position players. Elimination of the dl rule and no manipulation with pitchers starts.

Carry on. And you think THAT would solve this problem??? Oh boy. Some folks can't log onto the NFBC site from work and would miss last minute lineup changes or injuries or whatever on Friday and lose valuable weekend stats because of this BS NFBC Friday rule. Are you kidding me Dan? If you think Kenny's language is bad on this post, wait until we allow twice-a-week moves and not everyone got a chance to make them.

Pleeeeeeeeeease push another agenda. [/QUOTE]I am not trying to solve this problem. The dl rule has been manipulated and crowed about since its inception.

Giving everybody a chance to move position players on Friday would eliminate the need for the dl rule. As far as not everybody not having a chance to change their lineups, how would it be any different from changing the lineups on Monday? [/QUOTE]What's the manipulation of the DL rule that has decided any league title so far? I don't remember reading that one in Tom's writeups. That somebody reserved a player when he pitched in Colorado on Monday and started a DL pitcher, only to replace him on Friday so he could get the second start? I remember that strategy the first year and I believe the posters' player got the win and pitched well in Colorado.

Your suggestion is twice-weekly moves. Why not three times a week or daily then?

The difference is that most games are done on Sunday afternoon and very little news will change between Sunday and Monday's games. Folks have home access to set their lineups on Sunday.

I didn't mean to argue with you, but this whole thread is too interesting not to argue with someone.

Bottom line is that if Nady was on the DL by Friday morning we need to get him designated in our game and if he wasn't then it's MLB's fault, not the stupid DL rules' fault. But again, I'll make amends if we were in any way at fault in this. [/QUOTE]Ahh Greg, now you've gone and pulled on my tail.

Of course Bobby or any other league winner will not say that the starting pitcher manipulation is the reason to have won the league. Like all other stats, they are just a big ball of numbers at the end of the season.

This week alone, Baker and Scherzer owners were actually rewarded by having them both pitch early in the week so that they can use the dl rule to put another pitcher in after Thursday. Rewarded, because they never missed a start with Scherzer or Baker because it was known before the season that they wouldn't throw. This has huge ramifications at the end of the year, but week to week, just a silent killer.

As far as your " why not three times or daily" question. its because it fits so nicely with real baseball. Most series are twice a week with a new series starting on Friday. A couple of position changes could be made anytime after the Monday deadline has passed. No big deal. Without pitchers to worry about, the process would be a quick one.

It's unlike you to poo-poo an idea so quickly. I realize you were getting sworn at and attacked in every which direction, but you're usually cooler under fire. Flashbacks to the NFFC?

Anyway, my idea is an option, not a solution. And if I'm on an island so be it. In my mind its a good option and one that should be talked about and not immediately shot down.

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ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:46 am

For the past several seasons, I served as SWAT (Secretary of Waivers and Transactions)for the Tout Wars leagues. We had our transaction deadline at Friday at 5 PM. Only players on the 25-man roster were eligible for FAAB acquisition. In addition, we had a separate reserve list for players on the MLB DL, so you could DL a player and not reserve him to open up an active roster spot. As you can imagine, there were numerous instances where I needed a time stamped transaction in order to allow/disallow a request either in terms of a FAAB bid or putting a player on teh DL to save from having to drop someone.

With that as a backdrop, trust me when I say there is no single major site that is 100% accurate with the posting of transactions. By major, I mean mlb.com, espn, CBS and Fox. Sure, it seems as though of all the sources, mlb.com should be perfectly accurate, but alas, it is not. There were times mention was made on one site, but not another. Sometimes it would NEVER show up on one of the sites. There were even times a transaction appeared somewhere and was removed later. They are treated more as a convenience and not as an official listing of transactions, even at mlb.com.

If STATS is using the on-line transactions link from mlb.com, I completely understand how the Nady incident occurred, because I have seen countless others instances over the course of the past several years.

Not saying it is right, just saying the transactions link at mlb.com (or any site) is not a 100% accurate, up to date, to be completely trusted source of official MLB transactions.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:07 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Ahh Greg, now you've gone and pulled on my tail.

Of course Bobby or any other league winner will not say that the starting pitcher manipulation is the reason to have won the league. Like all other stats, they are just a big ball of numbers at the end of the season.

This week alone, Baker and Scherzer owners were actually rewarded by having them both pitch early in the week so that they can use the dl rule to put another pitcher in after Thursday. Rewarded, because they never missed a start with Scherzer or Baker because it was known before the season that they wouldn't throw. This has huge ramifications at the end of the year, but week to week, just a silent killer.

As far as your " why not three times or daily" question. its because it fits so nicely with real baseball. Most series are twice a week with a new series starting on Friday. A couple of position changes could be made anytime after the Monday deadline has passed. No big deal. Without pitchers to worry about, the process would be a quick one.

It's unlike you to poo-poo an idea so quickly. I realize you were getting sworn at and attacked in every which direction, but you're usually cooler under fire. Flashbacks to the NFFC?

Anyway, my idea is an option, not a solution. And if I'm on an island so be it. In my mind its a good option and one that should be talked about and not immediately shot down. [/QUOTE]Now that the Xavier Nady mess has been slightly cleaned up (at least I know how this happened), I'll apologize for my NFFC-style reply. I've been on the football boards for one week and it has already hardened me!

I just took off a post for someone searching for a nudist camp over there, so it's really a different animal – and we know what animal that is – over there.

I like all new rules suggestions, yours included.

Heck, Terry Haney wants me to start a satellite league with daily transactions and we have the setup to do that. Maybe next year we do a few satellite leagues with more often player moves or the Friday position move like you suggest. We can let our hair down here and try some of these as long as we set them up with STATS ahead of time.

Now back to the NFFC boards for me and deleting the nudist colony posts.

viper · Post by **viper** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:22 am

True to me early post, I was away from my computer and life passed me by. My wish to activate Schumaker for Nady is now lost. Don't disagree with the decision but I wish the rules indicated possible exceptions. Do i now need to check all day Friday and Monday for late DLs. I need to now read all the posts since early this morning

Dak · Post by **Dak** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:30 pm

This is why I'm STILL against this rule!!! Do away with it........KISS!!! NO Friday DL rule. If a player is injured during the week....tough!! This rule is still more advantageous for the owner that sits at a computer all day or plays with his blackberry more than his family!

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:52 pm

If there were a vote...mark me down for a vote to remove the DL rule.

I can't recall who lobbied the hardest for changing or took the hardest stance against not changing.

I recall some weak logic arguments.

Is there a breakdown of official MLB DL moves before and after Friday morning?

If injuries are a constant...it skews favoritism to the early week injuries.

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Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:38 am

Guys, I have to totally disagree with everyone who is against the Friday rule.

The goal of this game is to show who can pick and manage the best team. Injuries are a disaster for any team and allowing the Friday rule takes away some of the luck factor from the contest and encourages people to draft a broader bench

As for everyone who claims they have to be sitting on a computer 24 hours a day, you have to be kidding.

The Nady update came out early on Friday am, with both email and phone #s to call if you couldn't get to a computer (I couldn't get access to the NFBC site because of work). I simply wrote a simple 3 minute email and to be safe, left a vm, and in 5 minutes got a confirmation back that it was take care of (and I had nady on 2 teams)

Spyhunter

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:59 am

I'm not against the rule at all.

I'm against the manipulation of SP's because of the rule.

SP should only be able to be replaced if he goes ON THE DL sometime during the week.

This BS where a SP is coming off DL, yet an owner gets that start from guy coming off and also can replace that guy coming off (before guy coming off starts) for a start from someone else later in the week should be prevented.

You should only be able to replace a DL SP if he GOES ON DL during the week. That would eliminate the BS part of this rule.

Example:

Lackey coming off DL Wednesday.

Owner puts him in lineup Monday AM.

Tuesday AM after lineups lock, he takes out Lackey and puts in another SP going Fri-Sun.

This is all prevented if you can only replace a guy if he goes on the DL during the week, which is why the rule was created in the first place.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:29 am

Originally posted by JohnZ:

I'm not against the rule at all.

I'm against the manipulation of SP's because of the rule.

SP should only be able to be replaced if he goes ON THE DL sometime during the week.

This BS where a SP is coming off DL, yet an owner gets that start from guy coming off and also can replace that guy coming off (before guy coming off starts) for a start from someone else later in the week should be prevented.

You should only be able to replace a DL SP if he GOES ON DL during the week. That would eliminate the BS part of this rule.

Example:

Lackey coming off DL Wednesday.

Owner puts him in lineup Monday AM.

Tuesday AM after lineups lock, he takes out Lackey and puts in another SP going Fri-Sun.

This is all prevented if you can only replace a guy if he goes on the DL during the week, which is why the rule was created in the first place. Does STATS have the ability to differentiate DL players that started the week on the active roster from players that went on the DL during the week? I believe their programmers only know Basic, C, FORTRAN and COBOL.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:21 pm

How about not using the dl rule for pitchers?

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KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:51 pm

I like the rule as is. Owners should use it however they like, adds a little strategy to a long season.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:04 pm

this may be simple enough...whenever a guy hits the DL, you can substitute at that time.

bill

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ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:23 pm

I've suggested this before and it has gone over like a fart at a funeral, but that never stopped me before...

How about 20 (or whatever) discretionary in-week moves to use whenever, however we want.

Just like FAAB, each owner has to decide if they want to use it up early or hold onto some moves for later. If you have more injuries than moves, it is like using all your FAAB -- you're SOL.

I'm not a programmer, I don't play one on TV and I have never stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, but if the site can track FAAB, they should be able to track the moves used and lock you from doing others when you are out.

Some thought would have to go into dealing with multiple changes at the same time with respect to how they are tracked, but that something that can be hammered out and not a reason for not considering the idea.

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KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:45 pm

Originally posted by ToddZ:

I've suggested this before and it has gone over like a fart at a funeral, but that never stopped me before...

How about 20 (or whatever) discretionary in-week moves to use whenever, however we want.

Just like FAAB, each owner has to decide if they want to use it up early or hold onto some moves for later. If you have more injuries than moves, it is like using all your FAAB -- you're SOL.

I'm not a programmer, I don't play one on TV and I have never stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, but if the site can track FAAB, they should be able to track the moves used and lock you from doing others when you are out.

Some thought would have to go into dealing with multiple changes at the same time with respect to how they are tracked, but that something that can be hammered out and not a reason for not considering the idea. Solid idea - perhaps a simpler variation ... how about just allowing ONE intra-move each week?

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:58 pm

i'm kinda old-school and i don't understand the the idiosynchrasies of the high-tech generation, but if MLB puts a player on the DL on Wednesday, and our stats league recognizes it as a DL move, then why can't we make a move like MLB would?

would this not make things simpler?

bill

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:01 pm

i should preface my previous statements/remarks with "i have absolutely no problem with the way it's being done now".

just an opinion

bill

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:06 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

I like the rule as is. Owners should use it however they like, adds a little strategy to a long season. yes, truly fair to a new player that has no clue this is possible.