Kazmir and Percival

SlimShady · Post by **SlimShady** » Fri May 22, 2009 10:01 am

Are we going to be able to DL these players?

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Fri May 22, 2009 10:34 am

From the official rules...

Players must officially be on Major League Baseball's DL list according to STATS and the NFBC by 12:01 a.m. on Friday for this move (or moves) to take effect for the weekend games. These moves were not announced until this afternoon, well after the midnight cutoff.

[ May 22, 2009, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: ToddZ ]

SlimShady · Post by **SlimShady** » Fri May 22, 2009 10:45 am

That sucks

Scott Boras · Post by **Scott Boras** » Fri May 22, 2009 10:52 am

One more call for universal DL moves, removing the Friday deadline. Two more examples of players who are DLed BEFORE the start of Friday's games but cannot be switched out due to a technicality. The DL rule's intention is not well served here.

Richie · Post by **Richie** » Fri May 22, 2009 11:01 am

give me a break. guarantee you arent doing well, or you would be less bitter. Kazmir was not going to be pitching this weekend anyway.

a rule is a rule and itsnot fair to change it in the middle of the year.

Scott Boras · Post by **Scott Boras** » Fri May 22, 2009 11:14 am

Originally posted by Richie:

give me a break. guarantee you arent doing well, or you would be less bitter. Kazmir was not going to be pitching this weekend anyway.

a rule is a rule and itsnot fair to change it in the middle of the year. Richie, it doesn't take much detective work to conclude anyone with Kazmir is not doing well.

Kazmir is not pitching this weekend, but Percival may have.

At no point did I suggest changing any rules mid-season. I am all for altering the rules for 2010. I am not bitter about anything nor did I say I was. For future reference, I will

every time I am angry to clear up any potential confusion.

I was simply expressing my opinion and giving two examples to back why. Why are you projecting on me?

[ May 22, 2009, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: Scott Boras ]

Richie · Post by **Richie** » Fri May 22, 2009 4:31 pm

You called it a technicality. How is it a technicality? Its a clear rule. The underlying reason for the rule is fairness. You cant have a situation when there is a 390 team race, where one team gets an advantage becuase they are at home and see Kazmir go on the DL at 6 30 pm and others are on the road driving home from work and dont feel like risking an auto accident by looking at their blackberry every 3 minutes for last minute moves. Or situations where West coast guys can easily see it and East Coast cant.

Scott Boras · Post by **Scott Boras** » Sat May 23, 2009 1:08 am

Originally posted by Richie:

You called it a technicality. How is it a technicality? Its a clear rule. The underlying reason for the rule is fairness. You cant have a situation when there is a 390 team race, where one team gets an advantage becuase they are at home and see Kazmir go on the DL at 6 30 pm and others are on the road driving home from work and dont feel like risking an auto accident by looking at their blackberry every 3 minutes for last minute moves. Or situations where West coast guys can easily see it and East Coast cant. That's an easy one. So drive home safely and miss the switch Friday. Then wake up late on Saturday, have some breakfast, walk the dog, do whatever it is you need to do and make the change on Saturday before games start.

Isn't missing ONE day better than missing THREE days worth of potential stats? Wouldn't it be nice to have that flexibility? Maybe I should ask you after your second rounder gets injured.

Removing the Friday from the DL rule doesn't mean you have to check your team every day or worry about last minute DL moves. It gives you added options and flexibility. As it stands now, we're at the mercy of luck and MLB team's decisions of when to put hurt players on the DL. Being that Thursday is a common off day, the DL rule as it stands is really only helping us a fraction of the time, and for only 3 games at most. Greg and others have stated many times that many leagues are won/lost by a hit, a strikeout, run, rbi, win, etc, etc. and that the DL rule's intention is to remove the bad luck from injuries a little BUT in many ways, it's encouraged luck. If you're lucky enough to have an injured player officially placed on the DL Thursday night instead of Friday morning, you're lucky. THIS is a technicality.

Two players are injured on Thursday night in the same game, one is immediately placed on the DL before the deadline, the other early the next morning. One team benefits, the other does not. Same circumstances, completely different outcomes. The DL rule's intention of removing luck has just failed.

I understand the same rule applies to everyone and that it is fair in that regard. I also am not asking for any rule to be changed mid-season. I am not kicking and screaming toward anyone. All I am saying is for 2010 I would be in favor of eliminating the "Friday" from the DL rule as I am in favor of reducing bad luck. Nowhere in the rule modification should it say you HAVE to wreck your car checking your blackberry to make roster changes on Friday. That would encourage bad luck

Also I am NOT in favor of daily roster moves and see very little correlation between a universal DL move and daily roster moves as the DL rule's intention as I understand it, ONE MORE TIME, is to reduce bad luck and recover potential stats lost to injury. Missing one game due to circumstance or a busy schedule is better than missing three any way you want to spin it UNLESS those three games contain stats from either Kazmir or Percival

Any other concerns with this suggestion?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat May 23, 2009 6:11 am

Originally posted by Scott Boras:

One more call for universal DL moves, removing the Friday deadline. Two more examples of players who are DLed BEFORE the start of Friday's games but cannot be switched out due to a technicality. The DL rule's intention is not well served here. The reason for the 12:01 a.m. Friday deadline is to give everyone a fair shot at knowing who is officially on the DL by the weekend. If this rule were not in place, all NFBC owners with Percival and Kazmir would have had to continually check the NFBC lists on Friday before Memorial Day weekend and hope that the Rays officially DL'd them before Friday's game. I know that news reports had them on the DL Friday afternoon, but I do not know if officially he was listed by MLB before last night's first games.

Again, the rule was put in place so that everyone could check Friday morning to see if any of their players were on the DL and then move on with their lives. Yesterday on a holiday weekend would have been a brutal day for NFBC owners if our Friday DL Rule had a deadline of five minutes before the first game. And even then, I'm not convinced both players would have been added in time to help NFBC owners.

Hope this helps explain our rule.