Kenny Rogers In Chicago League 2

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:15 pm

I believe what you may be missing (ignoring?) is the fact that the quantity of stats produced by your league has no bearing on the $100,000 prize.

You are arguing both sides here -

A. You dropped him because in your massive intellect you have determined Kenny Rogers will provide you negative value for your team's future

B. You want him on another team in your league because according to your massive intellect your league will be negatively affected by all the great stats Kenny could provide.

Which is it? My massive intellect feels like you're talking from your ass... I don't know you and I don't owe you - but Kenny Rogers did teach me you need to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em - you might consider folding 'em as the fact is Kenny's impact COULD have an affect on the $100,000 prize and so it is not only wise and appropriate but PRUDENT to step back and consider the situation carefully.

You take that personally? Go ahead, pout if you want... I don't care

Just face it - you dropped someone that most people feel should not have been dropped. You're smart, I'm dumb - we'll all know the truth later. Either way, Greg owes all of us the 100% guarantee that we can trust that the overall prize money goes to someone deserving not someone who picks up Kenny Rogers on a fluke and watches him reel off a 2nd half like his first half. THAT would be inexcusable.

Dyv

[ July 15, 2005, 06:15 PM: Message edited by: Dyv ]

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:38 pm

Lance...OOPS! I like you soooo much I got your name wrong!

Oh, well...looks like the first beer is on me next year!

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:21 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Bonds was a player I didn't want in the free agent pool in May, but now with the latest news about him possibly missing until mid-August and even the entire season This is news? I guess only to Dyv

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:27 pm

Originally posted by Dyv:

Dyv Dave, you sure had a lot more hair as a kid

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:37 pm

Originally posted by :

Hey Edwards Kings,

Thanks for the kind words, but you've got me and my brother mixed up....I am the person you described , who has sat with you the past 2 drafts....... Herb, my brother, however is an escaped mental patient.

After reading all of the posts on this topic, using the logic applied, I feel we should be given Coco Crisp back.

Coco Crisp is a much better player than Kenny Rogers ( Coco helps in all 5 categories, Rogers sucks at Ks and WHIP ). We cut Coco Crisp when HQ, Sandlot, etc. convinced us he was done this year with his injury. We messed up

BUT

Given the nature of the current debate

Maybe a player of Coco's ability should not have been allowed into the free agent pool.

As such

Please place Coco back on our roster. We agree with league policy and Crisp is far too valuable to have been allowed into the free agent pool

Will we have Coco back in time for next weeks games

Lance Del Goebel

PS to Edwards Kings - check is in the mail buddy. Thanks for the backup and far too kind words Too good Lance. It was almost a half season before Shandler got blamed for anything this year. That's pretty good in the NFBC.

Sorry, I can't put Crisp back on your team and don't feel bad because several teams cut him when the prognosis looked bad. I may reconsider Rogers later, but I needed a few hands to think about it. Anyway, glad to see you still have your sense of humor.

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:45 pm

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Bonds was a player I didn't want in the free agent pool in May, but now with the latest news about him possibly missing until mid-August and even the entire season This is news? I guess only to Dyv

[/QUOTE]*sigh*

I don't supposed you'd buy that I was trying to handicap my team to make it fair to everyone else would ya?

That infection crushed my best laid plans....err, I'm referring to Bonds knee - I have no other infections!

And leave my hair alone, John - you and I could both use a little of that hair in a spraypaint can, lol.

Looking forward to Vegas - see you there, right?

Dyv

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:10 pm

I will be in Vegas to torment you further

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:56 pm

"The Gambler"

7 IP, 1 K, 1 BB, 2 ER, 2.57 ERA, 1.000 WHIP, 1 W

Seems like he had one more game left in him after all

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:41 am

I have to agree with Greg and Dyv on this one. Owners should be allowed to make any roster dumps they wish for whatever hunches they wish to play, but those dumped players that most owners would love to have should not be available to be added to an already strong team in that league, it would be an advantage that the teams in all the rest of the leagues would not have.

It is not a far fetched hypothetical situation that the majority of teams in one league might get together and decide to drop several border line undroppable players like Kenny Rogers and allow one team to pick them all up, make a run at the 100 grand, and split the winnings with the league. While I doubt this will ever happen, there has to be some safe guards in place to prevent it, and keeping questionable drops out of the free agent pool is the perfect solution. It gives owners the freedom to make bold moves and doesn't give 14 teams a chance at a player the other 286 teams competing for $100,000 might not have.

In fact I would not be opposed to keeping all dropped players out of the free agent pool. That would solve the problem of interpreting the value of the player dropped. It would balance the free agent pool among all leagues and make the overall contest more even.

[ July 17, 2005, 08:50 AM: Message edited by: Leaderboard Sports ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:31 am

I have decided not to put Kenny Rogers back into Chicago League 2's free agent pool next week. Let's see if his entire suspension is upheld on Thursday or not, but he definitely won't be eligible for pickup before July 31st.

[ July 17, 2005, 04:25 PM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:40 am

Originally posted by :

On behalf of our team I would like to apologize for creating such a debate about Kenny Rogers. We never thought this would be possible. We take our baseball seriously around these parts.

Good luck, Herb & Team

Dyv

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:59 am

Originally posted by :

To answer DYV

I said that we assumed Rogers would falter in the 2nd half and that would benefit our team to drop him, but IF we were wrong it would hurt the league. I hope that clears it up for you. I'm not sure how I see it hurting the league if he produces nicely, though?

The 'hurt the league' part should be dropping him and having someone waste a lot of money for him NOT to perform.

If you drop him, someone spends money and he's worth it then it didn't hurt the league...

Right?

Dave

Kevin D · Post by **Kevin D** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:59 pm

Dave, I think Herb means that the competitive balance would be hurt in the overall standings if he performed well. Reason being an Allstar Pitcher was availabe in only one league and if he does well in the second half only a team in his league could benefit skueing the overall standings. Personally I think the drop should have been allowed. We had him last year and rode him until we couldn't stand the pain any longer. Greg's ruling is very, conservative and probably best but again I would have allowed it.

hughes · Post by **hughes** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:18 pm

I followed through on my promise and dropped a still healthy, still closing guy on pace for 40 saves. No trades make you do strange things, so bye bye Joe Table. Not suggesting this is what the Rogers drop was, but it is strange when your choices are hold or drop either if a guy is performing in a category that no longer helps you, or you strongly believe a guy won't perform well enough to help your team over the rest of the season. I still think most teams would find a place for a starting pitcher with Rogers' numbers, but this ormat is a little funky.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:45 pm

Originally posted by Kevin D:

Dave, I think Herb means that the competitive balance would be hurt in the overall standings if he performed well. Reason being an Allstar Pitcher was availabe in only one league and if he does well in the second half only a team in his league could benefit skueing the overall standings. Personally I think the drop should have been allowed. We had him last year and rode him until we couldn't stand the pain any longer. Greg's ruling is very, conservative and probably best but again I would have allowed it. Just to be clear Kevin: The drop was allowed. Herb has managed his team the way he wanted to this week, cutting Rogers and picking up another pitcher. No problem there. The only thing I did was keep Rogers out of Chicago League 2's free agent pool for this week and next week.

Kevin D · Post by **Kevin D** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:54 pm

Thanks for the clarification Greg. That nuance of taking them out of the pool is a worker. It's great to have a proactive Commissioner insuring the integrity of the league.

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:19 pm

Originally posted by :

Another 6 inning, 6 earned run, 9 baserunner ( 1.5 whip ) 0 K gem from the mighty Rogers. I'd love to be in a league with the experts who've shown their lack of character and overall lack of baseball knowledge....... who went out of their way to rip us for cutting that bum. Shame on you

Lance Del Goebel I would love to be in your league in the future, Lance - that would be fun.

How come you didn't post your petty little post a week ago when he put up a 7IP, 3ER, 1WHIP, 5k performance?

Shame on you for not letting it go like your smarter and wiser partner appeared to prefer a few posts up there.

I'm just bored enough to reply to this kind of crap so if you want to keep it going fire away

Dave

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:33 am

Originally posted by :

You know whayt bores me DVY....know-it-alls like you.

We cut a bad pitcher after we rode out his hot streak, and people like you felt compelled, even justified to take shots at us, for nothing. You don't know us......and time, like always has proven you and yours ( blowhards ) wrong, as it always seems to

Kenny Rogers, since we cut him has had a suspension, a couple of terrible starts, and one decent start.....and even with that obvious evidence pointing out that you should have shut up and minded your own business......you still have the utter lack of character and unbridled selfishness to blow forth some more of your butt-in where you don't belong spew.

My father is a professional baseball scout and he saw an old mans arm giving out. He was right. But I suppose you know better so feel free to butt-in some more with your rude opinions about matters that don't concern you You mis-typed my nickname, it's Dyv, not DVY. Sloppiness is never excusable when you're always right.

As for taking shots - nobody asked you to air your "little panties bunched up tightly" on the message boards. I assume you aren't used to people telling you to shut up or not caring what you think? Get used to it - we're all peers here and you aren't my superior anything.

For reference, my opinions aren't rude - I just have a low level of tolerance for 'your type' (whatever that is)... I don't have to sit here quietly listening to you whimper and moan. Plus these boards are boring lately and I like to bicker.

You should also carefully note that I never claimed Kenny was a good player nor that you should keep him on your roster. I never 'predicted' he would remain a top notch pitcher after his extremely lucky first half success. I NEVER claimed otherwise. Pin on me the fact you don't like my attitude or I'm rude, but don't try to accuse me of claiming Kenny was a good pitcher.

Fact is, the only thing I predicted was that Kenny wouldn't be suspended for 20 games. Hmmmm, guess I did okay there.

I supported the Commish's decision because it has a place in precedent for the contest this year and in the future. It doesn't matter to me if Kenny Rogers does well or does not do well, but the fairness of the contest is preserved. THAT matters. THAT is where I chose to butt-in on the matter. THAT is where it matters to me. You and Kenny Rogers and whatever skills your father have don't matter to me at all.

Perhaps if you could look past your own petty involvement you could see the bigger picture. Stop thinking you matter in this situation - you do not.

Good day to you, sir.

Dyv

[ August 22, 2005, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: Dyv ]

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:10 pm

Dave, could I see one picture from the AL league, but please replace the horse with something similar....

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:41 pm

Originally posted by CC Desperados:

Dave, could I see one picture from the AL league, but please replace the horse with something similar.... lol - you want it posted here??