Twice-a-week moves?

[Jackstraw]

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Jackstraw:

It is getting way too easy for people to start yelling "Luck" because a person caught a break on DL Friday while the second place finisher didn't. George, I never thought I'd see the day where someone believes that having a player land on the DL during the week is good "luck". Nobody wants one of their starters landing on the DL during the week and I don't care who you have on the bench to replace that person for three days. It's not good luck when that happens.



You boys have had a nice, lively conversation about two-a-week moves, daily DL moves and the current Friday DL Rule. I've enjoyed it. But like I've said before, I'm not going down the path for the main event of daily transactions or multiple week moves and the current Friday DL Rule is being used by many owners and is a time manageable move for current players. I just don't see us going beyond that in the future and I don't see any reason to go back to the non-Friday DL rule anytime soon either. It's hard to be much clearer than that. [/QUOTE]Well, on the surface it doesn't sound like a good thing but imagine this. Team 1 and Team 2 both enter the last week of the season in a dead tie... Team 1 doesn't have a game on Monday but Team 2 does. Their powerhitting, megasuperstar 1B goes down and is put on the DL (I realized as I was typing that I'm not sure if that can happen by MLB rules). Team 2 is now down a bigtime player. Team 1 plays on Tuesday and their superstar OF goes down and onto the DL. Actually it seems that Karma has thrown her hand in and evened things out. Lo and behold, on Friday guess what? Team 2 has an extra 1B but Team 1 has no one. Team 2 gets the replacement and the win in the Main Event. Oh yeah, neither of these guys were injury prone. And Team 2 ends up winning because that guy, the reserve guy, steals a base. In my mind, Team 2 does not win because they were better, just a little luckier that they had a reserve guy.



Anyway, I'm not really into this debate. I just hate to see a major rule change that hasn't been completely worked over. I voted strongly against the two most significant rule changes (KDS and Friday DL Rule) but I have at least recanted my nay on the KDS. In the end, that turned into almost a perfect rule for the game. I'm still out on the Friday DL rule, tho' it has benefited me quite often.



Besides I'm advocating for a daily satellite league so that those of us who want to micro-manage our teams can

[Quahogs]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jackstraw:

And Team 2 ends up winning because that guy, the reserve guy, steals a base. In my mind, Team 2 does not win because they were better, just a little luckier that they had a reserve guy.





the reserve roster is 100% controlled by you. Knowing the rules as such - if a player is put on the DL you can swap him out - how you construct your reserve roster, wouldnt that be considered strategy ? Should it be considered luck that I have a deep reserve i.e.Thorman(1b/of) theriot(2b/ss) and burke(2b/of) on my reserve ? or skillful management ?



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[sportsbettingman]

I'd guess putting your most injury prone player as your UTI would also help a bit.

[DOUGHBOYS]

Originally posted by Spartacus:

For what it's worth, my hometown league is a twice a week transaction league (Mon.&Fri.).It's both more dynamic and time consuming. I like it. I like the NFBC's format just as much. Truthfully, they're similar games but require slightly different strategies, personel, and time commitments. (In the 2x league the set-up reliever gets a real boost in value as one tries to avoid the bad matchup. As well, it requires an extra pitcher or two on your roster to execute properly. The platoon position player gets a slight boost as well). I approach both type leagues accordingly. This year I've added 2 more NFBC teams to my resume and I have to agree with Gregg when he claims that 2x changes would put a drag on NFBC participation. I wouldn't play in 4 2X leagues. As it stands now I spend half my summer in baseball limbo, the other half I spend trying to convince my wife that it really doesn't take as much of my time as she thinks. (Of course, we both know that I'm lying.) Perhaps when I retire and have Friday's off, I'll reconsider. As it stands now Thurs. night changes are often not a labor of love but more of a pixel eyed matchup haze that has to be navigated before preparing for work the following day. Of course, you also have to check the wire Friday morning before work for updated info. It's important that you also take precautions not to spill your oatmeal on the keyboard, I can't stress this enough!

Yup, one 2x league is enough for me, two time changes are for those who can manage their time better than me or have much more of the spare variety. If the NFBC offered the 2x format as a satellite league, over time the braintrust would be able to determine it's popularity and whether an actual change to their business model is in order.

One final note, I agree with KJ and others who suggest an anytime DL rule. It seems pretty straight forward and provides a more timely remedy to lost time due to injury, which is what in substance is underlying this discussion. Et tu, Bob?



Just kidding, great post, Bob.

[sportsbettingman]

Homer!

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by Jackstraw:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Jackstraw:

It is getting way too easy for people to start yelling "Luck" because a person caught a break on DL Friday while the second place finisher didn't. George, I never thought I'd see the day where someone believes that having a player land on the DL during the week is good "luck". Nobody wants one of their starters landing on the DL during the week and I don't care who you have on the bench to replace that person for three days. It's not good luck when that happens.



You boys have had a nice, lively conversation about two-a-week moves, daily DL moves and the current Friday DL Rule. I've enjoyed it. But like I've said before, I'm not going down the path for the main event of daily transactions or multiple week moves and the current Friday DL Rule is being used by many owners and is a time manageable move for current players. I just don't see us going beyond that in the future and I don't see any reason to go back to the non-Friday DL rule anytime soon either. It's hard to be much clearer than that. [/QUOTE]Well, on the surface it doesn't sound like a good thing but imagine this. Team 1 and Team 2 both enter the last week of the season in a dead tie... Team 1 doesn't have a game on Monday but Team 2 does. Their powerhitting, megasuperstar 1B goes down and is put on the DL (I realized as I was typing that I'm not sure if that can happen by MLB rules). Team 2 is now down a bigtime player. Team 1 plays on Tuesday and their superstar OF goes down and onto the DL. Actually it seems that Karma has thrown her hand in and evened things out. Lo and behold, on Friday guess what? Team 2 has an extra 1B but Team 1 has no one. Team 2 gets the replacement and the win in the Main Event. Oh yeah, neither of these guys were injury prone. And Team 2 ends up winning because that guy, the reserve guy, steals a base. In my mind, Team 2 does not win because they were better, just a little luckier that they had a reserve guy.



Anyway, I'm not really into this debate. I just hate to see a major rule change that hasn't been completely worked over. I voted strongly against the two most significant rule changes (KDS and Friday DL Rule) but I have at least recanted my nay on the KDS. In the end, that turned into almost a perfect rule for the game. I'm still out on the Friday DL rule, tho' it has benefited me quite often.



Besides I'm advocating for a daily satellite league so that those of us who want to micro-manage our teams can [/QUOTE]George, your scenario sounds interesting, but as we learned last year MLB teams don't use the DL during September. So you don't have to worry about a team putting a player on the DL during the last week of the season when two NFBC teams are tied. The Friday DL rule wouldn't be in play during that time of the season.



We're batting .500 with you on rule changes. I honestly don't see your downside yet on the Friday DL rule, but that's fine. Maybe in time -- and with a daily transaction satellite league -- you'll change your mind!

[Terry H]

Greg, I lost interest in this thread when it regressed to talking about Seinfield episodes, but in your last post you mention "We're batting .500 with you on rule changes", so as I can avoid reading the entire thread could you explain what you mean by that?

[Jackstraw]

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Jackstraw:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Jackstraw:

It is getting way too easy for people to start yelling "Luck" because a person caught a break on DL Friday while the second place finisher didn't. George, I never thought I'd see the day where someone believes that having a player land on the DL during the week is good "luck". Nobody wants one of their starters landing on the DL during the week and I don't care who you have on the bench to replace that person for three days. It's not good luck when that happens.



You boys have had a nice, lively conversation about two-a-week moves, daily DL moves and the current Friday DL Rule. I've enjoyed it. But like I've said before, I'm not going down the path for the main event of daily transactions or multiple week moves and the current Friday DL Rule is being used by many owners and is a time manageable move for current players. I just don't see us going beyond that in the future and I don't see any reason to go back to the non-Friday DL rule anytime soon either. It's hard to be much clearer than that. [/QUOTE]Well, on the surface it doesn't sound like a good thing but imagine this. Team 1 and Team 2 both enter the last week of the season in a dead tie... Team 1 doesn't have a game on Monday but Team 2 does. Their powerhitting, megasuperstar 1B goes down and is put on the DL (I realized as I was typing that I'm not sure if that can happen by MLB rules). Team 2 is now down a bigtime player. Team 1 plays on Tuesday and their superstar OF goes down and onto the DL. Actually it seems that Karma has thrown her hand in and evened things out. Lo and behold, on Friday guess what? Team 2 has an extra 1B but Team 1 has no one. Team 2 gets the replacement and the win in the Main Event. Oh yeah, neither of these guys were injury prone. And Team 2 ends up winning because that guy, the reserve guy, steals a base. In my mind, Team 2 does not win because they were better, just a little luckier that they had a reserve guy.



Anyway, I'm not really into this debate. I just hate to see a major rule change that hasn't been completely worked over. I voted strongly against the two most significant rule changes (KDS and Friday DL Rule) but I have at least recanted my nay on the KDS. In the end, that turned into almost a perfect rule for the game. I'm still out on the Friday DL rule, tho' it has benefited me quite often.



Besides I'm advocating for a daily satellite league so that those of us who want to micro-manage our teams can [/QUOTE]George, your scenario sounds interesting, but as we learned last year MLB teams don't use the DL during September. So you don't have to worry about a team putting a player on the DL during the last week of the season when two NFBC teams are tied. The Friday DL rule wouldn't be in play during that time of the season.



We're batting .500 with you on rule changes. I honestly don't see your downside yet on the Friday DL rule, but that's fine. Maybe in time -- and with a daily transaction satellite league -- you'll change your mind! [/QUOTE]Thanks, Greg, for clarifying that. As I was typing that post I realized the potential flaw in my argument. Now, knowing that the DL does not apply in September there may not be any issues. Give me a little time and you may start batting 1.000



[ May 02, 2007, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: Jackstraw ]

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by Terry Haney:

Greg, I lost interest in this thread when it regressed to talking about Seinfield episodes, but in your last post you mention "We're batting .500 with you on rule changes", so as I can avoid reading the entire thread could you explain what you mean by that? George said he liked one of my two rules changes since 2004: KDS, but not the Friday DL Rule. But I'm a perfectionist and I'm working on him as you can see above to get a hit on this last at-bat!!

[Terry H]

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Terry Haney:

Greg, I lost interest in this thread when it regressed to talking about Seinfield episodes, but in your last post you mention "We're batting .500 with you on rule changes", so as I can avoid reading the entire thread could you explain what you mean by that? George said he liked one of my two rules changes since 2004: KDS, but not the Friday DL Rule. But I'm a perfectionist and I'm working on him as you can see above to get a hit on this last at-bat!! [/QUOTE]Thanks, I thought I may have missed a new rule change.