Do We Want To See All Bids?

The_Tenman · Post by **The_Tenman** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:58 pm

I think things are fine as is. I have several years of experience being commissioner of fantasy leagues and if anyone thinks everyone can be pleased at the same time they are wrong.

I don`t think we need to see anyone elses bids other than the winning ones. If people think they need to get a lesson in FAAB bidding, then they can do what I did. I checked out the WCoFB site and broke down all transactions from day 1 to the very end. I have never worked waivers like this before and thought it a good idea to get some info on this pre-draft.

Greg,

Write an article in the newsletter about some players that got picked up and what the tendencies were. Mention what they went for and maybe have someone break it down a little bit. This is not a game of luck! It is a game of skill, experience and there is some work involved people. It would be nice/convenient to have everyone in our individual leagues remaining FAAB dollars on record.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:58 pm

Originally posted by The_Tenman:

I don`t think we need to see anyone elses bids other than the winning ones. If people think they need to get a lesson in FAAB bidding, then they can do what I did. I checked out the WCoFB site and broke down all transactions from day 1 to the very end. Hypocrite anyone? Doesn't want to see all transactions posted in the NFBC, but will peek at the WCOFB site.

Originally posted by The_Tenman:

This is not a game of luck! It is a game of skill, experience and there is some work involved people. Sorry, sport. Luck plays a major role. Guess you haven't played against the big boys yet.

SoonerC · Post by **SoonerC** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:35 pm

In my opinion there is no reason whatsoever to know what someone bid on a player they didn't get, but whatever. Under no circumstance though should bids be divluged on conditional picks that weren't awarded to anyone.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:38 pm

Originally posted by SoonerC:

Under no circumstance though should bids be divluged on conditional picks that weren't awarded to anyone. Why?

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:01 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by SoonerC:

Under no circumstance though should bids be divluged on conditional picks that weren't awarded to anyone. Why? [/QUOTE]Because he might still be available next week and he doesn't want you to know how much he values him. Duh...

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:36 pm

I believe that losing bids should not be shown ... don't give overbidders a crutch.

M Co · Post by **M Co** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:36 pm

I agree. Just show the winning bids. Let people figure out their strategy by themselves...

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:32 pm

Originally posted by Leaderboard Sports:

Because he might still be available next week and he doesn't want you to know how much he values him. Duh... Whether bids are shown or not, bids values are dynamic from week to week. This apparently new concept

is even supported by Dyv in one of his Cabrera posts. Duh...

Originally posted by Dyv:

Knowing what Walla WOULD have bid has zero relevance for next week - despite the feelings that now he's been 'outed' in this... he can change his mind and so can we all on what we would have done.

dlongood · Post by **dlongood** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:55 am

Do not believe we should post losing bids for three reasons 1. We have already bid on FA's without the benefit of seeing the losing bids and to change now seems slightly unfair (especially if we go several more weeks with the current policy in place) 2. More importantly this is self adjusting. Four or 5 weeks into the season all owners will have seen all winning bids and should have enough data to make informed decisions. 3. Values are dynamic and influenced by injuries, demotions callups etc. so bidding info is not really that important since it does not provide a "true" value for anyone.

OGB · Post by **OGB** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:56 am

I'd rather all the bids were not available. it would be interesting to me to see how many buds were made on each player. For instance in my league:

Womack $207 (4 or whatever it was)

Kata $15 (1 or whatever it was)

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:17 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Leaderboard Sports:

Because he might still be available next week and he doesn't want you to know how much he values him. Duh... Whether bids are shown or not, bids values are dynamic from week to week. This apparently new concept

is even supported by Dyv in one of his Cabrera posts. Duh...

Originally posted by Dyv:

Knowing what Walla WOULD have bid has zero relevance for next week - despite the feelings that now he's been 'outed' in this... he can change his mind and so can we all on what we would have done.[/QUOTE]If you want player X this week and think you can get him for $15 but happen to check last weeks unexecuted conditional bids and notice I had a bid of $16 on player X. Are you still going to bid $15?? Duh.... Well you probably would... You also would not get player X whom I project to have an outstanding year by the way.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:31 am

Originally posted by Leaderboard Sports:

If you want player X this week and think you can get him for $15 but happen to check last weeks unexecuted conditional bids and notice I had a bid of $16 on player X. Are you still going to bid $15?? Zero relevance. Next bright idea...

[ April 06, 2004, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:07 am

If it has zero relevance why do you want to see it then?????

Seems like a waste of time and resources to show those bids since you claim it has no effect on anything.

You're fighting a losing battle here Geek.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:19 am

Originally posted by Leaderboard Sports:

If it has zero relevance why do you want to see it then?????

Seems like a waste of time and resources to show those bids since you claim it has no effect on anything.

You're fighting a losing battle here Geek. Since I’m in the minority on this one, I spoke to a few of my associates to see if I’m "off base". Not surprisingly, they said no.

Most owners seem to think that allowing others to see their contingency bids will give away valuable information that could thwart future bids. If that is true, I’ll make sure to throw in some total duds at the end of my contingency lists. You guys will think I’m on to some potential sleepers and bid them up.

Benefits (for me) of seeing all bids…

Gain information about my competitors (whether that info is valuable or not is another question). There are too many factors that can change an owner’s bid on the very same player from week to week.

Ensure the bidding process is working properly.

[ April 06, 2004, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]