Stupid Place in the Lineup

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:56 am

Injuries and platoon type situations aside, here are some of the worst of opening day starting lineups in one lineup:

1. DeWayne Wise

2. John Baker

3. Mark Teahen

4. Khalil Greene

5. Nomar Garciaparra

6. Geoff Blum

7. Matt Kemp

8. Alexie Ramirez

9. Mike Aviles

For different reasons, these players should not be close to these numbers by seasons end.

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:01 am

Your choice of starting pitcher with this lineup, Dallas Braden (L) or Jeff Suppan (R).

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:01 am

I'll agree with all of those, but Baker isn't bad... not saying he is a great #2 hitter, but he's solid and who else is going to hit there for them? Maybe if Hermida steps up this year...

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:06 am

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

Your choice of starting pitcher with this lineup, Dallas Braden (L) or Jeff Suppan (R). Nice!

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:07 am

ummm.. I can think of a TON of pitchers worse than both of those sadly... Adam Eaton, Sidney Ponson, Horacio Ramirez, Kris Benson, Jeff Karstens, Cha Seung Baeck, Alfredo Simon, Mark Hendrickson, Carlos Silva, Scott Richmond, Ricky Romero, Brian Moehler, Mike Hampton, Russ Ortiz, Dustin Moseley, Shane Loux, etc etc etc...

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:08 am

ohh I see... you were just going for opening day starting pitchers... my bad

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:12 am

ltd- out of your group - i will take that etc. guy. his era should be below 10. man there are some bad pitchers going this week- and people are wondering why these 21 year olds are being brought up.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:14 am

ps- braden outpitched last years al cy young award winner and a cy young award winner from years past in the nl and the yankees newest 200 million buck man- doing his best pavano impersonation.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:22 am

I'm ok with Teahan batting third if he can build on his spring training. Butler and Gordon should work their way the lineup as the season goes on.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:51 am

Call me a traditionalist,Shawn, but I can't agree. Batting third in the lineup is reserved for the best of a team's hitters. Teahen is nowhere close.

Maybe its Hillman rewarding Teahen for a great spring and making the move to 2b. I hope so.

Teahen doesen't do anything particularly well, and that is the opposite of what a #3 hitter should be.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:24 pm

I too am drinking The Teahen COOLAID and i think he's in for a big year.If he stay's in the three hole he will knock in over 100 rbi's.BOOK IT.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:31 am

Originally posted by eddiejag:

I too am drinking The Teahen COOLAID and i think he's in for a big year.If he stay's in the three hole he will knock in over 100 rbi's.BOOK IT. That Kool-Aid is spiked!

Career high of 82 rbi, 50% of batted balls are grounders.

This is the only time of year to get excited about Teahen.

Hillman is giving him a lot of responsibility switching positions and hitting third. By May, the ladder won't be a problem.

He is on pace for zero RBI this year.

[ April 08, 2009, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

RedRum · Post by **RedRum** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:39 am

I dont see Ramirez moving up much out of the 8 hole.. Ozzie makes that lineup and knows Alexei will draf about 27 walks for the whole year.. Keeping his OBP near 300

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:44 am

Originally posted by RedRum:

I dont see Ramirez moving up much out of the 8 hole.. Ozzie makes that lineup and knows Alexei will draf about 27 walks for the whole year.. Keeping his OBP near 300 While Wise does the same leading off. Makes sense.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:54 am

on the sox- no way wise leads off for more than 2 weeks. he sucks. alexi or getz will be leading off- or kenny lofton. on hillman: did the gm tell him he had to pitch kyle for the whiole 8th inning? thome has not hit lefties in 5 years. i could not believe he left farnsworth in.

Bama · Post by **Bama** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:52 am

Considering the lineup, Pence at 7 is about or just as bad as Kemp at 7.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:22 am

Originally posted by eddiejag:

I too am drinking The Teahen COOLAID and i think he's in for a big year.If he stay's in the three hole he will knock in over 100 rbi's.BOOK IT. I agree Eddie (well maybe not with the 100 RBI!

)

Any 2B (after week 2

) who hits in the 3 hole and is taken in the 20+ rounds screams VALUE, VALUE, VALUE!!!!

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:43 am

On the verge of dropping 2 out of 4 to an inept Padre team, maybe Torre will decide to move the team's best hitter out of the 7 hole. Why get Kemp extra swings when you can lead off with Blake DeWitt? :rolleyes:

Here's an idea for ya Joe:

1 Furcal

2 Ethier

3 Ramirez

4 Kemp

5 Loney

6 Martin

7 Blake

8 Hudson

9 P

[ April 09, 2009, 05:49 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:45 am

torre is an idiot. don't count on it.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:54 am

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

torre is an idiot. don't count on it. And they lose by a run after nobody out with the tying run on third - while their two .400 hitters are standing in the on deck circle and on the dugout steps. Serves em right.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:47 am

Originally posted by billywaz:

quote:Originally posted by eddiejag:

I too am drinking The Teahen COOLAID and i think he's in for a big year.If he stay's in the three hole he will knock in over 100 rbi's.BOOK IT. I agree Eddie (well maybe not with the 100 RBI!

)

Any 2B (after week 2

) who hits in the 3 hole and is taken in the 20+ rounds screams VALUE, VALUE, VALUE!!!!

[/QUOTE]That Kool-Aid has got to be tasting like skunk juice.

Is it value, value, value if a guy that hits 50% groundballs his career is put into a supreme part of the lineup and still hits 50% groundballs?

Trey Hillman is rivalring Torre for worst lineup

A good lineup for KC without Guillen

1. DeJesus

2. Aviles

3. Crisp

4. Jacobs

5. Butler

6. Gordon

7. Olivo

8. Teahen

9. Callaspo

Switching DeJesus with Crisp would be ok, but both would have more of an impact with this lineup.

MadCow Sez · Post by **MadCow Sez** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:34 pm

Nice thought Doughboys but here's what Trey did for us in the home opener:

1. Crisp (yup)

2. Aviles (I like this)

3. Dejesus (maybe if he starts hitting, but not now)

4. Teahen (huh....and in OF to boot)

5. Gordon (OK)

6. Butler (huh)

7. jacobs (yup...this is where you want the guy you signed to bury your top prospect among others hitting)

8. Olivo (OK)

9. Callaspo (about right)

Not sure of the logic but the run KC scored today was on a bloop double that could easily have been an error if Swisher wasn't carrying a refrigerator on his back when he slid, caught, and dropped the ball.

Send us Torre and we'll end you Trey...and some good BBQ

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:46 pm

If I'm Matt Kemp tonight I am steaming pissed off. Down three in the 9th, based loaded and one out ... a pair of 260-hitting, zero HR guys come to the plate from the 5 and 6 slot and strikeout, while the hottest hitter in the majors outside of Markakis is left standing in the on deck circle.

That's two games Kemp clearly could've won for LA had Torre not had him in the 7 hole. The guy is hitting 400 with huge power and speed. Hell, why not just bat him in the 8th or 9th slot Joe? Frickin idiot.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:57 pm

torre is still an idiot kj. god bless dodger fans.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:40 am

Torre, Hillman, and now Sciosia continue to mystify with some of those lineups.