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Post by Walla Walla » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:15 am

Las Vegas eight. top 3 are in the top 25 overall.

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:35 am

Top league? I thought you were in that league, John? :D :D :D



Just yanking your chain. :D



Chicago 2 has three in the top 20 if we're going by your standard.



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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:35 am

probably means you have some of the worst owners in that league

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Post by NorCalAtlFan » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:44 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

probably means you have some of the worst owners in that league nice. you did set him up walla.

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Post by Less than Dave » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:57 am

Chicago 4 has 3 in the top 23

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Post by Less than Dave » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:59 am

And what Gekko said is true... that's usually what it means... however I would have loved to be in a different league that didn't have an enormous early closer run, as much as I loved ending up with Hanrahan and Percival...

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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:39 am

i long for the days where all 390 teams are placed in the same overall league with an overall free agent pool and we play it out there. NOT base the overall title ENTIRELY on the 15 team league you randomly get placed in.



let's face it, all leagues don't have an equal amount of talent in them. this 100% affects your chances of winning 100K.



in a tough league, say bye bye.

in an easy league, 100K is more reachable.



doesn't matter who you are. both those statements hold true.

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Post by Dirt Dogs » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:53 am

I'm in gekko's league so i guess my chanes of the overall are 1 in 1,000,000. I mean cmon now the guy drafted Pujols and McCutchen!!



It's very true that the weaker leagues will have more guys in the top 25. But thats why you play the game year after year. In the long run all will have the same odds of winning the overall.



Any thought to a mid-year prize for the overall leader. Like an autographed picture of Ambrosius???!!!!???
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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:34 am

Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:

I'm in gekko's league so i guess my chanes of the overall are 1 in 1,000,000. I mean cmon now the guy drafted Pujols and McCutchen!!

Mike – The consensus #2 pick was not Pujols. His ADP placed him 3rd. I also selected McCutchen over two rounds over his ADP. Let’s recognize skill when we see it! :rolleyes: :cool:



For my draft as a whole, I selected 22 players BEFORE their ADP. 8 players AFTER their ADP. Take that ADP Lovers! :D



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Post by headhunters » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:56 am

gecko- until you define tough and easy your argument is crap. if one definition of "easy" is- players fall- well it doesn't matter much to you- you took 22 of 30 early. define easy and tough- evaluate all the leagues using those criteria and post your results. otherwise it is blab blab blab.

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Post by Dirt Dogs » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:03 am

I'm actually giving you props for the picks! I love McCutchen and Poodles. I actually thought you were going to take Reyes at 2.



lets see how many of these top teams are there in a few months. it's a marathon guys, and lots of guys coming back around all-star break to make some of the weaker teams better



Aram

Hamilton

Ibanez

Lidge

Manny





These players will definately impact the standings!!
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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:12 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

gecko- until you define tough and easy your argument is crap. if one definition of "easy" is- players fall- well it doesn't matter much to you- you took 22 of 30 early. define easy and tough- evaluate all the leagues using those criteria and post your results. otherwise it is blab blab blab. From: darien il.



that says it all, don't ya think?

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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:13 am

Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:

I actually thought you were going to take Reyes at 2.

what??? why?

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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:15 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

gecko- until you define tough and easy your argument is crap. if one definition of "easy" is- players fall- well it doesn't matter much to you- you took 22 of 30 early. define easy and tough- evaluate all the leagues using those criteria and post your results. otherwise it is blab blab blab. tough means you have good, smart owners in your league



easy means you have less good and less smart owners in your league.



with chicago having SEVEN teams in the top 20, that tells me Chicago fits the second situation.

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Post by Edwards Kings » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:20 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

gecko- until you define tough and easy your argument is crap. Amen. I have heard this tough versus easy assessment for each year (especially when I was in Florida) now until I am heartily sick of it. It is like the man who sees his first dog, and that dog is black. The man states all dogs, therefore, must be black. The basis for the statement is inaccurate, incomplete, and incompetent.



Either you are good enough to win the overall under the set rules or you are not. I have not been, but I do not seek to claim some unfair disadvantage.
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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:28 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by headhunters:

gecko- until you define tough and easy your argument is crap. Amen. I have heard this tough versus easy assessment for each year (especially when I was in Florida) now until I am heartily sick of it. It is like the man who sees his first dog, and that dog is black. The man states all dogs, therefore, must be black. The basis for the statement is inaccurate, incomplete, and incompetent.



Either you are good enough to win the overall under the set rules or you are not. I have not been, but I do not seek to claim some unfair disadvantage.
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Post by Edwards Kings » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:32 am

Not really Mark. You have great insights that are fun to read, but when you insult so many people with posts like this, you sell yourself short.
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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:38 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Not really Mark. You have great insights that are fun to read, but when you insult so many people with posts like this, you sell yourself short. no, no. i'm not insulting anyone. i simply report the #'s and draw my own conclusions.



i can only hope the data evens out over the course of the rest of the season.



here's a question for you wayne...no ducking...do you think all leagues have the same exact amount of talented owners in them? Yes or No?

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Post by Edwards Kings » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:51 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Not really Mark. You have great insights that are fun to read, but when you insult so many people with posts like this, you sell yourself short. no, no. i'm not insulting anyone. i simply report the #'s and draw my own conclusions.



i can only hope the data evens out over the course of the rest of the season.



here's a question for you wayne...no ducking...do you think all leagues have the same exact amount of talented owners in them? Yes or No?
[/QUOTE]No ducking? I do not know nor does anyone else. Look, I have nothing to gain from being "generous" with any of my assessments. I do this for fun, but it has also been my passion for 20+ years. I darn sure am not doing it for the money, obviously. What I can say is I have done this six times and in three of the four areas the NFBC has drafted (Vegas twice, Chicago, Florida three times). Every year each league I have been in has (honestly, no ducking) had the likes of Clum, or Diaz, or Stermon, or Lord, or Childs, or Cassevetes, or McLean, or Zola, or, or, or. Each year and in each place each player was ready (especially after the first year), made good picks for a reason, was committed and was knowledgable. You cannot ask for more than that and to call out entire cities or entire leagues is just not fair, in my OPINION.



Are some better players than others? Yes. But year in and year out, will those same players have good years and bad years, no matter what city they draft in or league they are in? Yes. You know that too as you have been doing this long enough to have had the highs and lows.



But as to the leagues as a whole in all the cities I have been in, I can honestly say they have all been top competition. If I go to Chicago, I go for the stuffed pizza, not because of some erroneous assumption that some magnet draws lesser players.



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Post by Purple Helmets » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:48 am

Las Vegas 2 is the toughest...two participants are at #2 and #27 in the overall as of today, two other particpants were in the top 10 of the lifetime standings heading into the season, and that still doesn't include Jules who is always lurking near the top of the standings.

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Post by Edwards Kings » Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:08 am

Originally posted by Purple Helmets:

Las Vegas 2 is the toughest...two participants are at #2 and #27 in the overall as of today, two other particpants were in the top 10 of the lifetime standings heading into the season, and that still doesn't include Jules who is always lurking near the top of the standings. By the way Kevin, I never liked your draft.



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Post by Less than Dave » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:35 am

Does the AL Central and West have as much talent as the AL East? Should we just put the Yankees in the West, Rays in the Central, and Twins in the East to "even it out"?? I mean, what sport has leagues/divisions that are even? The Rockies make the playoffs when they are barely a .500 team, should we just exclude them and take another team from a stronger league? If you think there's less talent in Chicago just because they have more "top" owners in the overall, then whatever... come draft in Chicago, that's fine by me. Every league has its own quirks... my league was the only one I saw that had a ridiculous closer run that totally screwed me, but in another league, I probably would have had a different problem... and it all evens out over the years... maybe you have bad luck due to your league one year, then the next you get an "easier" league... good owners will do well overall regardless of their league.

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Post by Less than Dave » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:42 am

Wayne makes a good point too... even good owners have off-years due to injuries/bad luck/whatever... now I haven't researched other players' history too much, but speaking for myself I got like 40th overall my first year, like 370th last year, and am top 25 this year so far... not to say I'm one of the "top owners" yet, but I'm sure other good owners have years that come up short.. maybe not to the extent that I did, but that was due to extenuating circumstances where I blew my FAAB and went for broke (Scherzer, Hughes, etc) because my team was a sinking ship and I didn't see any value in shooting for 200th...

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Post by Purple Helmets » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:46 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by Purple Helmets:

Las Vegas 2 is the toughest...two participants are at #2 and #27 in the overall as of today, two other particpants were in the top 10 of the lifetime standings heading into the season, and that still doesn't include Jules who is always lurking near the top of the standings. By the way Kevin, I never liked your draft.



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[/QUOTE]Funny enough, I didn't like my draft either. Enjoying the "luck factor" so far this season.

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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:43 am

Originally posted by Less than Dave:

Does the AL Central and West have as much talent as the AL East? of course. every division in MLB has the same talent level. same with the NFL and NBA. how dare anyone think differently!!! :rolleyes: :D

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