2010 NFBC Draft Dates and Locations Revealed

Dak · Post by **Dak** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:41 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RoundTrippers:

i just dont get why people are so upset over multiple team ownership....its already happened people...did it bother artie rastelli?? david didonato??? lindy??? robert jurney??? terry haney??? oldenski??? or maybe a better question is did these winners have MULTIPLE TEAMS?? i bet no.... get over it people please!!! can you only play 1 lottery ticket at a time??...uh no....enough already...seriously I understand where you're coming from, Rick...but isn't it a bit funny how the multiple team ownership was kinda pushed through by the big players? Kinda like "no big deal...we can do it up front, or do it under the table."

When you do it under the table...you actually take a chance at crowning your co-partner champion...oooooh the pain of that!

The boss"es" kinda never batted an eye...like it was a welcomed "bail out" of the fantasy sports industry.

I wonder...no...I guarantee...if enough people would have spoken up when they had the chance,,,when all of this multiple team ownership was just being uncovered...it would have been ruled illegal.

But alas...the spineless never unite...so it's just another accepted truth now...isn't it?

Weird. [/QUOTE

The "Silent Majority" may have something to say come sign up time!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:15 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by RoundTrippers:

i just dont get why people are so upset over multiple team ownership....its already happened people...did it bother artie rastelli?? david didonato??? lindy??? robert jurney??? terry haney??? oldenski??? or maybe a better question is did these winners have MULTIPLE TEAMS?? i bet no.... get over it people please!!! can you only play 1 lottery ticket at a time??...uh no....enough already...seriously I understand where you're coming from, Rick...but isn't it a bit funny how the multiple team ownership was kinda pushed through by the big players? Kinda like "no big deal...we can do it up front, or do it under the table."

When you do it under the table...you actually take a chance at crowning your co-partner champion...oooooh the pain of that!

The boss"es" kinda never batted an eye...like it was a welcomed "bail out" of the fantasy sports industry.

I wonder...no...I guarantee...if enough people would have spoken up when they had the chance,,,when all of this multiple team ownership was just being uncovered...it would have been ruled illegal.

But alas...the spineless never unite...so it's just another accepted truth now...isn't it?

Weird. [/QUOTE]Lance, there was NEVER any owner who had two teams in the NFBC main event since we started in 2004. We never batted an eye at anything or looked the other way as you insinuate, although there was certainly nothing in the rules that disallowed anyone from owning two teams. The only "co-ownership" if you will are people who possibly go in together on their main teams and help with transactions, share information on players, etc. But each NFBC team has always been owned by separate principle owners.

It's fun to spin your own fabrications after Rick says, "how do you know our past champions didn't have a second team?" But they didn't, nor did you or anyone else. So forget about the big players having multiple teams in the past. They didn't. And our overall champions won on the same number of teams that you've unwon with through that time: ONE.

Nobody has even pushed for the chance to own multiple teams in the NFBC before we announced the multiple weekend idea. So now let's see if anyone will draft one week before the masses and test their knowledge and the injury factor then. And we'll continue to argue the merits of multiple teams in 2010 and make a decision there very soon. Sound good, King of Conspiracy?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:20 am

Originally posted by Dak:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RoundTrippers:

i just dont get why people are so upset over multiple team ownership....its already happened people...did it bother artie rastelli?? david didonato??? lindy??? robert jurney??? terry haney??? oldenski??? or maybe a better question is did these winners have MULTIPLE TEAMS?? i bet no.... get over it people please!!! can you only play 1 lottery ticket at a time??...uh no....enough already...seriously I understand where you're coming from, Rick...but isn't it a bit funny how the multiple team ownership was kinda pushed through by the big players? Kinda like "no big deal...we can do it up front, or do it under the table."

When you do it under the table...you actually take a chance at crowning your co-partner champion...oooooh the pain of that!

The boss"es" kinda never batted an eye...like it was a welcomed "bail out" of the fantasy sports industry.

I wonder...no...I guarantee...if enough people would have spoken up when they had the chance,,,when all of this multiple team ownership was just being uncovered...it would have been ruled illegal.

But alas...the spineless never unite...so it's just another accepted truth now...isn't it?

Weird. [/QUOTE

The Silent Majority may have something to say come sign up time! [/QUOTE]Good job Lance. You've already convinced one owner that the past is tarnished. Amazing what some folks can believe.

There has never been any "Silent Majority" in the NFBC. Rules changes have been made with the help of all players, some good rules changes and some that weren't completely good. I have stated several times in this thread that I am listening to all sides on the merits of multiple team ownership over two weekends, not at the same time. Multiple team ownership has never been a big part of the plan, as evidenced by our goal of increasing the main event by just one league in 2010. It started out in favor of NO to multiple teams and now there seems to be less of a resistance to that. So continue to offer your opinions, but use common sense when reading the King of Conspiracy's posts.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:32 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

our overall champions won on the same number of teams that you've unwon with through that time: ONE.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:36 am

9 PM, Sunday Night- Lance's House

Lance-

Another case of the Man sticking it to us! Honey, remind me to get together all the people I know to protest this outrage! What about us little people? Don't we have any say before big decisions are made like this!? This is sickening!

Honey, can you get me another beer?

Wife-

Sure Hon. Who is screwing you over now?

Lance-

Fox TV. They moved the Simpson's from 9 PM to 9:30. Didn't even ask us little people for our input. Probably works out great for Obama!! Can you grab the laptop? I've got to alert everyone about this load of crap!!

[ October 12, 2009, 08:42 AM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:45 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

9 PM, Sunday Night- Lance's House

Lance-

Another case of the Man sticking it to us! Honey, remind me to get together all the people I know to protest this outrage! What about us little people? Don't we have any say before big decisions are made like this!? This is sickening!

Honey, can you get me another beer?

Wife-

Sure Hon. Who is screwing you over now?

Lance-

Fox TV. They moved the Simpson's from 9 PM to 9:30. Didn't even ask us little people for our input. Probably works out great for Obama!! Can you grab the laptop? I've got to alert everyone about this load of crap!! I'm surprised you didn't get anything in there about stocking up and buying Gold, but alas...

[ October 12, 2009, 08:46 AM: Message edited by: Gekko ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:47 am

lance - come join our side.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:50 am

PS - I saw Zombieland. It sucked. Don't waste your time/money seeing it. Only 1 star our of 5.

If you want to see a GrEaT zombie film, Shaun of the Dead is the best I've seen.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:08 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

PS - I saw Zombieland. It sucked. Don't waste your time/money seeing it. Only 1 star our of 5.

If you want to see a GrEaT zombie film, Shaun of the Dead is the best I've seen. This is the time of year when you should be going to see "Couples Retreat" or renting "Nights in Rodanthe".

Gotta keep the Mrs. happy.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:33 am

I promise I'll have another announcement today. I just have to tweak the final prize money on this contest first. Sorry, hang tight a bit.

Lance, you know I love ya and didn't mean to set you up for these nasty boys!!

But I know you can handle them. I don't mind if folks disagree with our future plans, but at the very least I want the facts to be correct on the past. NOBODY ever had multiple teams in the NFBC. Yes, we have had a couple of owners with multiple teams in the NFFC through the years, but nobody has ever drafted two teams on the same day in the NFBC main event. I can definitely say that.

So let's intelligently debate the current plan. And unless I'm wrong, the one debate left is allowing owners to draft main event teams on the 20th and on the 27th. Outside of that, I'm asking everyone to show up on the 27th so that we still have the same live event in each location that we've had in the past!!! Auctions too the day before. But for those willing to join us on the 20th, we promise to have much more than the main event for you. Stay tuned.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:17 am

"Listened" to a lot of these posts from people I respect (mostly

). Just a couple of my own personal thoughts.

1) We are moving on. We are not the little contest with the damn big prize anymore, but are growing into a more mature contest with a broader appeal. I kind of hate it, but I know we will not survive as an exclusive little club of 400 or so crazy people. And I do not use the term "we" lightly, but recognize it hasn't been my cojones on the line year after year. Even though their careers have been on public display all these years, have accepted all the risks and sharp remarks, I appreciate all that Greg and Tom have endured year after year in order to make us feel like family rather than just contestants. Welcome aboard "E". You are the red-headed step child to this community, but will not be forever.

2) I do not like the two weekend strategy as I do not think the two weekends are equal. But I understand the necessity for a broader approach. In my personal opinion, it dilutes for me the attraction of the "Ladies and Gentlemen, start your engines!" appeal of the one weekend/one team championship race (marathon, not a sprint

). As a member of this group, I am willing to accept the rational that it is necessary for the healthy growth of the event. I would rather give here and get more (longevity, security, more events, options, facility upgrades, VIP splash-type hoopla, etc.).

3) Multiple teams has never concerned me, so I will let others voice there concerns.

4) Love the $800 auction opportunity. I have for years thought about getting involved in auctions, and this might be the year that I increase the NFBC share of my wallet because of this option.

5) As one of the "prey" species for the past six years and key contributors to the coffers of so many winners, I am planning to be back, probably on the 27th, probably bringing my wife (cost of the $800 auction

), and probably going to Vegas. I have, by any means and measures, reeked in this contest. However, I say bring 'em on! I want them all in my league. Childs, Diaz, KJ, Jules, Dan, Kent...I want at 'em all. Well, just not Clum. There is just no beating that guy.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:33 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I understand where you're coming from, Rick...but isn't it a bit funny how the multiple team ownership was kinda pushed through by the big players? Kinda like "no big deal...we can do it up front, or do it under the table."

When you do it under the table...you actually take a chance at crowning your co-partner champion...oooooh the pain of that!

The boss"es" kinda never batted an eye...like it was a welcomed "bail out" of the fantasy sports industry.

I wonder...no...I guarantee...if enough people would have spoken up when they had the chance,,,when all of this multiple team ownership was just being uncovered...it would have been ruled illegal.

But alas...the spineless never unite...so it's just another accepted truth now...isn't it?

Weird. Lance,

First sentence about understanding...I don't think you do. They're changes. I don't think you understand change, except that whatever that change is...is not good.

Second sentence- What? Who are these big players and when do they get together to push things through? If it is MB players, aren't YOU a big player?

third sentence- You can actually crown a partner co-champ? None of these dual owned teams will be in the same league. If a partner of mine wins another league I am not a part of...GOOD FOR HIM!

fourth sentence- Like it was a welcomed bailout? They are trying to grow the game and the company. If you're pouring concrete for Mrs. Houston down the street yesterday and she calls back for more next week, you're glad to have her business again. Do you tell her no, because my other customers don't like it when I go to the same house twice?

fifth sentence- A vote- I guarantee if this had been put to a vote, that you would be right, it would have been voted down. We don't have all the facts, you know that, but you still go on and on and on...

sixth sentence- Spineless? Because they're kinda, sorta not making fools of themselves? You intimate that you have some kind of spineless, silent majority following you. That silent, spineless sect is gathering more information before thay decide their own personal agenda.

They're not agreeing with you as much as waiting to see the whole picture.

Seventh sentence- Weird, if you're talking about your post...I finally agree.

Lance, you know I love ya, but you're coming to the gunfight loaded with ammunnition while your gun is at home in the closet.

And worse, you don't even know who to shoot at.

[ October 12, 2009, 10:40 AM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:56 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

[QB]2) I do not like the two weekend strategy as I do not think the two weekends are equal. But I understand the necessity for a broader approach. In my personal opinion, it dilutes for me the attraction of the "Ladies and Gentlemen, start your engines!" appeal of the one weekend/one team championship race (marathon, not a sprint

). As a member of this group, I am willing to accept the rational that it is necessary for the healthy growth of the event. I would rather give here and get more (longevity, security, more events, options, facility upgrades, VIP splash-type hoopla, etc.).

3) Multiple teams has never concerned me, so I will let others voice there concerns.

Thanks Wayne and trust me Tom and I think we can still keep the family feel going forward. Some folks thought that by adding 50 Online Championship leagues we'd lose the personal feel of Tom and Greg because they had so much work to do in baseball and football. So far I don't believe that has happened. We have just had to work MORE HOURS, that's all!!

I copied point 2 above for one reason: The trend in this industry is to do back-to-back main events to grow your user base. As many people have said here, that allows those folks with more money better odds of winning the main event. And with the mains so close together, there is no additional strategy involved, additional research involved, nothing, other than MORE MONEY!! Right?

And we could have gone this route and I believe gotten 30-40% of all owners to take a second team. Plus we wouldn't have an additional expense of staff travel, hotel rental and all that goes on with hosting TWO WEEKENDS of events. If we really wanted to prove we are greedy, we would have gone that route and killed the Auctions on Friday. Plain and simple.

But that's not what we are trying to achieve. We are trying to GROW AUCTIONS, add $10K leagues, and a new Double Play live component. We need two weekends for all of this. And as part of this mix, we are allowing two times for the main event. But if anyone wants to draft ONE WEEK EARLIER than the rest, then at least there are some changes that need to be made from Week 2 of the mains. You just can't sit back and do the same draft back-to-back because you are right, things change during that week.

And nobody can have more than two main event teams. If we need to spell that out, we will. Heck, we're not even planning for that many teams to have multiple teams, but I'm now getting e-mails from several folks who love this idea and will be with me in Las Vegas for both weekends. So not all in the NFBC hate the multiple team idea.

And at the end of the day if it raises the grand prize to $125,000 or even $150,000, is that so bad? Not as long as we keep the family feel, and I think we can, while still having the 27th as the big live event. I get it.

Hope this helps. Thanks again Wayne and folks eagerly await your donation...I mean, return...to Las Vegas again. And hopefully the Auction Championship will work out for ya, too.

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:00 am

I hope the $2500 Super League remains the same; top 3 payout. Are you guys hoping to fill more than 2 of them?

Hobo Zeke · Post by **Hobo Zeke** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:08 am

I hope to donate twice to the Main Event.

You can thank me later!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:29 am

Originally posted by Lunatic:

I hope the $2500 Super League remains the same; top 3 payout. Are you guys hoping to fill more than 2 of them? It's either the same or better. We're still discussing all of that.

We had three Super Leagues last year: One on Saturday night and two on Sunday. We'd love to get 3 or more this year and I think we can do it.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:38 am

A quick hijack and then back to the subject at hand.

We need someone to take over a team for Q in the Mock and another person to pick for Greg today as he does what Greg does. Appreciate the help.

I now return you to your regular broadcast.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:08 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I understand where you're coming from, Rick...but isn't it a bit funny how the multiple team ownership was kinda pushed through by the big players? Kinda like "no big deal...we can do it up front, or do it under the table."

When you do it under the table...you actually take a chance at crowning your co-partner champion...oooooh the pain of that!

The boss"es" kinda never batted an eye...like it was a welcomed "bail out" of the fantasy sports industry.

I wonder...no...I guarantee...if enough people would have spoken up when they had the chance,,,when all of this multiple team ownership was just being uncovered...it would have been ruled illegal.

But alas...the spineless never unite...so it's just another accepted truth now...isn't it?

Weird. Lance,

First sentence about understanding...I don't think you do. They're changes. I don't think you understand change, except that whatever that change is...is not good.

Second sentence- What? Who are these big players and when do they get together to push things through? If it is MB players, aren't YOU a big player?

third sentence- You can actually crown a partner co-champ? None of these dual owned teams will be in the same league. If a partner of mine wins another league I am not a part of...GOOD FOR HIM!

fourth sentence- Like it was a welcomed bailout? They are trying to grow the game and the company. If you're pouring concrete for Mrs. Houston down the street yesterday and she calls back for more next week, you're glad to have her business again. Do you tell her no, because my other customers don't like it when I go to the same house twice?

fifth sentence- A vote- I guarantee if this had been put to a vote, that you would be right, it would have been voted down. We don't have all the facts, you know that, but you still go on and on and on...

sixth sentence- Spineless? Because they're kinda, sorta not making fools of themselves? You intimate that you have some kind of spineless, silent majority following you. That silent, spineless sect is gathering more information before thay decide their own personal agenda.

They're not agreeing with you as much as waiting to see the whole picture.

Seventh sentence- Weird, if you're talking about your post...I finally agree.

Lance, you know I love ya, but you're coming to the gunfight loaded with ammunnition while your gun is at home in the closet.

And worse, you don't even know who to shoot at.

[/QUOTE]wow glad someone finally had the sacks to say it and took the time to do so. The drunken rants just get old. Lance is one of the most well liked guys here and is probably the only one who could get away with drunken, jumbled up rants that are based upon fear and never substantiated with one bit of fact. Even that is getting old. I want the old Lance back the one who was a lot of fun to have in your league because he was nice, fun to be around, and drafting an injury riddled team with all upside and no foundation or strategy. Lately we are only getting the bad drafter- please come back Lance we miss you.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:36 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

A quick hijack and then back to the subject at hand.

We need someone to take over a team for Q in the Mock and another person to pick for Greg today as he does what Greg does. Appreciate the help.

I now return you to your regular broadcast. Seeing how I'm in charge of his football teams for two weeks, I can screw up his draft if you like.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:45 am

It's all your's, Shawn.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:23 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

A quick hijack and then back to the subject at hand.

We need someone to take over a team for Q in the Mock and another person to pick for Greg today as he does what Greg does. Appreciate the help.

I now return you to your regular broadcast. Seeing how I'm in charge of his football teams for two weeks, I can screw up his draft if you like. [/QUOTE]Is Kubel still available, you know how he loves Kube.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:26 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

A quick hijack and then back to the subject at hand.

We need someone to take over a team for Q in the Mock and another person to pick for Greg today as he does what Greg does. Appreciate the help.

I now return you to your regular broadcast. Seeing how I'm in charge of his football teams for two weeks, I can screw up his draft if you like. [/QUOTE]Is Kubel still available, you know how he loves Kube.

[/QUOTE]I think he likes dirt bikes better!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:23 am

Okay, sorry for being out of touch today. It's been a day of teleconferences and teleconferences. I think we have the next announcement finalized and I'll post that in the next hour.

I think we have our magazine announcement ready to go. Stay tuned for that.

I think we are close to finalizing the Las Vegas hotel for the March 26-28 dates. If that comes to fruition, there will be a mad dash for our room block. This could be SWEEEEEEEET!!!

I think we have our tentative dates for drafts and auctions close to being announced. Maybe I can do that later today. Let me see if I can.

So we're close to the next announcements. We're not trying to drag this out, we just need final contracts to get this all done. Thanks for your patience. I'll be right back.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:26 am

The guessing game begins

I'm down for Caesars Palace

Raskol · Post by **Raskol** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:38 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

The guessing game begins

I'm down for Caesars Palace

How about Circus Circus and we have the draft on the merry-go-round?